Hey ther- just like the subject says: How do you resize Vicktoria clothing for the millenium girls? Is it possible to make them work with the kids? Thanks. Aharon

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I've been thinking about this and wondering if its possible since the same base geometry is used pretty much through out...and crossed over here and there...bear with me... What if victoria were given all the morphs to make her into any one of the children, its the same geometry, so morphing it should work, no? Then what if Stephanie were given all the morphs to make her into michael? She is after all his geometry but she's shaped like vicki... now what if we used this stephanie to make all michaels clothes fit vicki in tailor... then use the child morph vicki to make all the adult clothes fit the kids in tailor... would any of that even be possible?

Hmmm..I dunno. Can you point me at some good examples of the Tailor having been used? All I've ever seen come from has been pretty crunchy. Didn't Jim Burton Do an adaptation of his maid set for the girls? I'd love to see all of Vicky's clothing packs for the girls, and Mike's stuff for the boys too. These poor kids have no warm clothes. Everything they do have is for spring and summer.

I seem to remember seeing 74% show up some place. I'm sure there was a discussion back some time ago, but 'tis too late for me to go digging. The name shadowcat comes to mind, but that might have been for some other clothing reference. I think the tailor thing is somewhat wishful thinking since it doesn't do scaling. Also, the problem with morphing Vicky into the preschooler would be with the joint parameters (I would guess) because of those vastly different sized (and proportioned limbs), there probably wouldn't be a way to do it direclty using dials. However, using a pz2 file, it probably would be possible (no animation support, however) if you were really good. Of course, I could be wrong :) eric

Momcat, Jim Burton did do the adaptation, and I really like the update. Also, the tailor has some areas where it really does a great job. It doesn't do everything as you would hope (most of the cloth shape gets distorted if the change is too dramamtic, and everything starts looking like a second skin) eric (again)

Tried to adapt Red Velvet Dress from Vicky's Euro Wear to PT girl, using Tailor. 1. Per part of PT Vicky, Export OBJ as morph. (in export dialog, uncheck universe, then check just one part). 2. Select each part of Vicky 2, load corresponding OBJ as a morph named PT. Set morph to "1.0". Indeed, became shape of PT. 3. Memorize figure, and save to char lib. 4. Load that new char CR2 into Tailor. 5. Load dress. 7. Select menu option "Morphs selected like one body morph". 8. Per part, check that "PT" morph. 9. Create morphs in the dress. 10. Back in Poser4, loaded PT Vicky and the dress. 11. Turn on PT morph in dress. 12. With IK OFF, in Joint Ed, "Zero Figure" PT, to see how dress falls on her before attempt to conform. Problems: * neck and shoulder - transparent edges jagged - kind of a "scalloped" effect - rather than smooth curve. * hips poke thru at sides. * skirt area completely botched, with many vertices not moving into place (PT much shorter than Vicky, these vertices appear to be "left behind" during the morph). * texture scrunched up around the bosom. 13. Conformed dress to PT. * Complete mish-mosh. Clearly, joint parameters must be totally re-done. Conclusion: not useful in this situation. There are two separate issues: A. Tailor would need to be revised to better perform this morph adaptation. B. Creating good conforming parameters - how? - - - - - - - - - - I hesitate to say this here, after the hostile ranting by a few people against "commercial" messages in this Poser Forum and the gallery, but since someone has asked, here goes: In December and January, I will be offering some inexpensive solutions for adapting clothing between characters. I am tackling cases that Tailor doesn't handle well or can't do at all. For example, I can adapt clothes between Poser4 woman and Vicky, even though they are completely different meshes. There are many issues, so I am not attempting a "general utility" solution at this time. Instead, I feed clothes one at a time through some custom math I wrote, making changes as needed. My first product will be a large set of adaptations for Kaila, who is based on PT girl. (A teenage girl with almost no wardrobe, who I'm sure would love to be able to wear Vicky's and Posette's clothes!) Like with Tailor, you would have to own the original clothing item for each item you want Kaila to wear. Unlike Tailor, you can't adapt a cloth at all until I've fed it through my math and adjusted as needed. I will then tackle other characters, based on popular demand.

Another problem with the Tailor-izing - as soon as attempt to pose, cloth won't follow figure - due to the scale change between original and PT.

Gave up on tailor loooong ago cause it didn't do anything I wanted--I'll be sitting at your feet whenever you decide to help us. Preteen and Vicki is needed-- weird Vicki and Vicki is needed. Preteeen boy and Mike is needed, badly. Heck, I'd take preteen boy and dork. Emily

Here is how I did the Little French Maid dresses- I loaded the SMV version into Max and attached all the groups to the hip part. I then loaded all the other parts, apron, pettycoat and so on and also attached them to the hip (most otfits don't have as many overlaying parts as this one, incidently). I scaled the dress as close as I could get it to the right size. Now the real work began, I move the vertexes around to get a proper fit, flattening the chest and so on. Max lets you pick a group of vertexes and have an adjustable fall-off on the surrounding vertexes, but it takes some skill to do this, I've been doing things like this for a couple years now, bear in mind. Once I got the dresses to cover the girls I added a tiny bit of clearance. How much is a tiny bit? Gee! I then detached out all the parts, checking the polygon count of each as I went, as I wanted some of the original morphs to work. I took the grirls CR2 and removed unwanted parts and morphs and materials and used it to operate th eOBJ files. I copied the morphs that I wanted to reuse to the new CR2. I made the skirts work properly, and fixed all the other odd problems I found. That is all it takes! Oh, I redid all of the above for the smaller girl, too. The dresses work just like they were made for them, which they just about are, at this stage. Oh, I made new shoes for them too, cute little Mary Janes with optional socks. I don't know of an easier way. Taylor isn't going to do it, as it works on morph differences, and Vickie's CR2 also isn't going to work.

Wow! That's a lot of work. Thanks so much for sharing your
technique. I think I prefer to let my credit card do all the work
though, lol >^~. Any chance you'll be modeling any more clothes
for the kids? The boys and the girls both could really use some
winter wear, like turtle necks, sweaters, parkas, boots, etc. PS:
Those little socks and mary janes are adorable. I never noticed
those before; now I'm off to pay DAZ a visit >^^

Yeah, but Vickie and HFV need 'em too, and they sell better! ;-) That is the problem, of course, but the sales of the Little French Maids haven't been too bad, so there will be more stuff for the kids in the future.