Sorry about the goofed, thought it was 9 hours :) Didn't noticed that the clock showed upthere had centesims of sec :).

thanks, I'm glad you posted those renders. it's nice to see what can be done with poser 5.

keep the renders coming.

what i want to know is where did you get the egyptian props.. S Those look sooo cool

If you cannot see the correlation, Storm, I am not about to point it out to you. No need to get into a pissing match over semantics.

well..the Packers beat the dreaded Vikings... and I come back to this.... Good to see you guys are back at some semblance of normalcy..Anthony and Brian :) And normalcy in the Renderosity forums is always a bit heated and controversial. If you guys can't post Poser stuff, even if it was/is or sorta advertising, I'd be a bit disappointed, considering we are all here because of a program called POSER. This be the place for POSER information, help, discussion, bitching, whining, and hype... I think it would be a big mistake to chase away those that make this place even exist. Even an ad that hyped a certain feature in Poser would be appreciated...perhaps it may point out something we hadn't noted or tried....it also tends to keep the developer a bit more honest as well...nothing worse than a big hype and not delivering the goods... didn't we just have a perfect demo of that back in September? So thanks for the images and the followup technical pointers...and welcome back :) Hopefully your world will be a bit saner than the last couple of months. Hey Anthony...how's the first edition coming along ???

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Stormrage, the props look a lot like the "Rulers of Egypt" prop set, over at Daz3d.

~DM

Crystal Dragon :) Thank you I was wondering.. that's a cooooool set

It is Rulers of Egypt set.

Can we just create a "whiners" forum and then move all whiners and complainers and P5-haters posts to that forum? I am really, really sick of those guys. -jjsemp

Hi CrystalDragon, A few tips that will speed up FireFly rendering times and lower memory use: 1. Render Options. Uncheck Use texture filtering. Texture filtering reduces texture antialiasing but because summed area tables are used with texture filtering, memory use can increase up to four times. When I rendered the UD Hydra figure which uses a 5000x5000 hi res texture, my system was swapping VM like crazy. I recommend not to use texture filtering on scenes that have high res textures. I rarely use that option any more. I think Larry turned it off on default settings now. 2. Render Options. Bucket size. What is your bucket size set at? The 'bucket' size is the size of the square that draws during render. The larger the square is, the more memory it requires, but in some cases will speed up the render time. I did get a render to stop when my bucket size was set to 76 (which takes up more system resources)and did a test at 6000x6000 72 dpi. After that I set my bucket size back to 32. 6000x6000 was too much for my system to handle. I recommend leaving the bucket size to 32 or marginally higher. For more information on this please refer to my post here: http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12440&Form.ShowMessage=959059&Reply=960669#11 Here a portion of the FF render at 1200 by 900, 300 dpi 3. You may need to increase your virtual memory settings. I've been able to render out my UD Hydra test scene 3000 by 2250 at 72 dpi and 1200 by 900 at 300 dpi. My system chunked away but I was able to render out the scenes. Again, turning off Use texture filtering dramatically helps reduce memory swapping. 4. Delete temporary files. An issue in a previous beta Service Release caused Poser to not delete certain temporary files. This issue has been resolved in Service Release 2.1 for Poser 5 (SR-2.1). There were two separate issues: - In SR2.1 engineering fixed a PBxxx.tmp file problem. It was a simple missing call to delete the PBxxx temp files. If you have residual PBxxx.tmp files, please go to the Windows/TEMP folder or Documents or SettingsUsernameLocal SettingsTemp folder and delete all of the PBxxx.tmp files. - Shadow map .tmp files. What will happen now is Shadow map .tmp files will be temporarily stored in the root of the Poser 5 folder during a FireFly render. Once a single scene or movie render is completed, they will be removed. The files will also be removed if the render is canceled by the user or if the render fails. Please reference the SR2.1 read me on this issue. Hopes this helps, -DefaultGuy

"Let the rebels begin and Let the fires be started - We're dancing for the restless and the broken-hearted... " - Jim Steinman. Heh. We could create a droolers forum also for the opposing half. Just to be even up. I still don't particularly care what you're sick of.

For example of "whining" see below. "Can we just create a "whiners" forum and then move all whiners and complainers and P5-haters posts to that forum? I am really, really sick of those guys. -jjsemp "

**wanders around forum with large card banner"" Reinstate C&D Reinstate C&D Reinstate C&D Reinstate C&D Reinstate C&D Reinstate C&D Sorry, the firemen are on strike here and I'm getting into the swing of it. :)

Hey, thanks DG. I think I'm just gona play around a bit and see if I can't come up with some good render settings. I went a little overboard on the last image I tried. Forgot I read through the RDNA forum, and played around with the precedural skins with the figures. to top it off, I did have the texture filter checked. Doh~!
So, the image was attempting to render @ 3300 x 2500 x 300dpi with a pixel precision of 6, a bucket size of 24, raytracing on, displacement maps on (and in use)... Looking back on it, I can't believe I thought it might render.

As far as other settings, the VM is about as optimized as it's going to get (win2k, manually set VM | 512 start, 3 gig max). There's also a gig of Ram in this machine, so I'm not worried about memory...

Thanks again for the tips!

~DM

I agree with Ironbear- this is advertising. It is saying, here's an image I made with Product X. Don't forget, it's on sale for a special low price of $319.00. (Okay, the message doesn't actually give a price or a link, but still.) If Marketplace merchants can't post images on how to use their own products, why can CL? Ah, that's right- they're a paid sponsor of this site... let's see more ads, um, I mean, "useful images". {And? Isn't showing us what Poser 5 can do helping us to learn? } How is showing an image "helping"? I would like to know: 1) How long did it take to set up the objects for this image? 2) What Firefly settings were used? 3) How long did it take to render the image? 4) What version of Poser 5 was used? Somehow, I doubt that the buggy, "public" version of P5 was used. I have the feeling that, like the "California Dreaming" images, this was made with a "development" version of Poser on a development PC that is virtually crash-proof... and one that none of us will realistically be using. Oh, wait, there are the answers... deep in the thread and many messages AFTER the posting of the image. I probably would have "learned" a lot more if this information had been posted WITH the images. Yes, it's nice that we're seeing this images, but the argument can be made for "If you have time to make images, you have time to fix the program." Are all the bugs fixed? Or is it time to announce a new feature?

How? The same way some of us learn by looking at each others pictures. Not all of us need a Poser 5 for Dummies hand book. Think of pictures as "Motivational learning tools".

Hi CrystalDragon, You're welcome and I hope these posts helped you out this weekend. -Brian

Thanks Brian.

JohnRender wrote:

"I agree with Ironbear- this is advertising. It is saying, here's an image I made with Product X. Don't forget, it's on sale for a special low price of $319.00. (Okay, the message doesn't actually give a price or a link, but still.)"

That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. Thanks :-)

-Jeff

120 replies... A flame war... Wow All I wanted to do was show off two pictures showing the results one could get in pretty short order. I've worked my rear end off on Poser and I'm damned proud of it. Please forgive me for wanting to show off the fruits of my labor and that of my coworkers and accept my humble apology. This will be my final post to any Poser forum regarding anything at all having to do with Poser. This is my personal decision, which is both non-negotiable and in no way intended to convey any public or private opinion held by my employer or any of my coworkers. Anthony H.

Isn't it nice that the flamesters always get the bigger vote around here....they get to chase people off the forums and the rest of us are helpless to do anything but watch. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to post here. I'm just sorry to see that people are permanently discouraged from sharing. Thanks very much from those of us who really were interested. And what did all that accomplish? I guess someone somewhere must feel like hot stuff now. It's having a chilling effect on me.

"This will be my final post to any Poser forum regarding anything at all having to do with Poser. This is my personal decision, which is both non-negotiable and in no way intended to convey any public or private opinion held by my employer or any of my coworkers." hmm, hope that cyberstretch can sleep at nights, knowing his mouth just cost the community a long time member.

you know something? Anthony may be connected to CL.. He may even be part of the programming team. But he is and has been a member here at Rosity for a good long time. He has contributed to the poser community by giving away freestuff. He has done renders and showed them off before. Yet now because of some people's dislike of the issues concerning Poser 5 and it's release and such (and I won't say that these aren't warranted) there is absolutely no need to jump on Anthony. This post was not and advertisement for Poser 5. A commercial advert includes price, location and specifics. This was a post by a long time member. If I had posted a thread with this title NOONE Would have bitched and moaned and complained and blasted me because of it because I have no connection to CL besides adding content to P4 and P5. It is one thing to go after the company because you are disatisfied. It is another to go after the people who work there. Anthony does not make company policy. Anthony is a member here, and he just happens to work for CL. Some people need to back off.

DefaultGuy, Please walk, no run across the office (even if it's actually miles away), and bring Anthony back. He might kick and scream but drag him back (get Kupa's help if necessary). Put him back in front of the computer and cuff him to his chair until he changes his mind. Once he's done that please give him a skin-toughening lesson. He's a valuable member of my (I can't speak for the entire) Poser community. I have learned from and enjoyed his posts and I can't afford to lose such a valuable member because he feels forced to act selfishly during this holiday season.

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Bear, "Tonight is what it means to be young, Before you know it, it's gone" Classic movie, Jim Steinman, Ry Cooder and the Blasters, wonderfull. later jb

Once again the FACISTS win. Sickening.

Thank you Anthony and Brian for posting these helpful facts about P5, They will help all the P5 users get more out of P5 and have a beffet understanding of the tools. Spike

"Once again the FACISTS win. Sickening." IMHO noone won anything. I see things taken way out of porportion. One person makes an observation that was in essence directed at site policy, then wham several people jump down his throat and the real flaming starts. Anyonyone can make a choice on how to respond to any comment posted by anyone else. That's your freedom. But when it turns into a personal or collective attack that is an entirely different matter.

All, I am the one to blame for Anthony's decision to leave this forum permanentely. On Saturday, I created these test scenes in response to a user having problems setting up his rendering options for FireFly. Late Saturday night, Anthony asked me if I could post the first scene and I said sure. He also asked Joe Grover if he could post his test scene with the Elephant. I sincerely didn't think posting these images would cause so much controversy and Anthony's decision to leave. I can not ask him to reconsider. He is a dignified person and friend who I dare not question his decision nor reason for doing so. But please accept my apologies for ever letting him post. I accept all the blame. No one else. Thanks for you continued support and please be well, -Brian

That's very gracious of you, Brian, but it isn't your fault. Anthony did what he felt was right, and that's his responsibility. And I am sure that the people who attacked him thought they were doing the right thing. I'm just sorry that he weighted their words more heavily than those of us who enjoyed viewing the renderings and have valued the information provided by both of you. We aren't all against Curious Labs. I've finally got to the point where I can render with Firefly and any information that provides clues to how to make the software work better is valuable to me. What's really sad is much of the negative views about Poser 5 apparently come from people who don't have the software and haven't used it. It is one thing to be unhappy about how the product was marketed and sold...but why drive away the people who can help us owners use the product? Makes no sense to me. But I'm apparently too old to understand what's going on here.

Brian, What you posted here is fine and welcome here at Renderosity and in this forum. If some members want to read into the rules something that is not there, that's up to them. To all members: This type of flame war will no longer be welcome here. We will be handing out warnings/bannings to anyone that wants to keep going down this road. Spike