his eyes appear to slant upward in your render, while in the photo they have a very slight downward slope. He also needs to be slightly "puffier"

I have a free character and texture offered over at poser pros. Not sure if it's quite what you're looking for, but hey it might be worth a shot. It's in there "Free Stuff" forum. The name is Gregor for M3/Freak/V3Male

lol, this sort of closemindedness invalidates any points you may have made before. After reading arrogant spew like this I can't take anything you say seriously. How dare you attempt to invalidate BILLIONS of peoples' beleifs simply because they do not match your own. I can't even begin to have a rational discussion with a person who absolutely refuses to accept that other people may have a different (and completely valid) spiritual viewpoint than himself/herself. At this point, I must bow out of this thread as you have just shown yourself unable to accept other people for what they believe and are not even worth my breath, let alone my aggrevation.

I don't find the image offensive, but comments like wamuman's certainly are.....

" greatest act of love from a man who represents the one and only true "religion" " Gee I'll make sure to tell all the Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, Jews and every other religion on earth, that they are in fact not practicing a "true religion".

but HAVE they been altered? no. Is there now a clause in there that says "Crucifixion is not allowed EXCEPT when representing jesus"? I doubt it. If there is, I sure don't see it. I think "selectively" is a more accurate term than "randomly"...

my question is that why should this apply only to those of Christian belief? There are literally thousands of other religions that are practiced. Are they not allowed to display their iconography as well?

Personally never owned p4. Played with it on a work computer a while ago (before p5 was out) and didnt care for it. It felt too limited, especially in the texturing,rendering and the lighting aspect (I'm used to maya's node based texturing). The lighting in p5 still needs a lot of work, but the other aspects have improved hugely. Yes it initially had it's problems, but all things factored in, it's a pretty decent package now. Especially considering the price compared to other 3d "character solutions"

lol, I've had poser 5 open (complete with scene editing/rendering/animating/etc) literally for the last 72+ hours, no problems.... I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's not the utter crap many purport it to be.

Somehow I don't think the good minister fits into either category you so aptly grouped all of us into... Doubtful there is an agenda regarding porn (possible, but doubtful). Also doubtful he/she falls into the category of those that wish to abolish all religous art here "((but more specifically, and more powerfully - Christian))" Guess what? neither do I and neither do a whole lot of the people who are voicing their opinions....

"god-hating pornographers" may not be your specific words (and I never claimed they were), but it is certainly what you implied.

your words: "Essentially, there are two agendas: Some people don't like the TOS restrictions on "adult" art - and this debate represents a back-door attempt to point out a supposed inconsistency in TOS enforcement. So, by this line of reasoning -- a depiction of the Crucifixion is on the same level as a porn torture pic. Bizarre. Convoluted. Likewise, other individuals don't want to see ANY religious ((but more specifically, and more powerfully - Christian)) images depicted AT ALL."

no, I'm indifferent to the presence or absence of both adult content or religous content, Hell i've even posted one or two "angel" renders of my own, and guess what, out of my entire gallery I have 1 picture with exposed breasts (guess that shoots down your idea about porn-pervs and god-haters) What I'm saying is that if you're going to have a tos, it needs to be applied evenly or it's entirely pointless. Personally i thought it was a decent enough image and was not offended by it. But that is irrespective of the point, the point is the TOS says it's a no-no, so either the TOS needs to be re-worked (i don't care what it allows or doesn't) or it needs to be tossed. You can't make exceptions. You can believe all you want that this is a god-hating pornographers' conspiracy to keep the christian down, but seriously, all some of us want is a fair and even application of the TOS.

"Let's look at the very first word in the TOS in regards to this. "TORTURE" The crucifixion of Christ was "NOT" torture, it was a "DEATH SENTENCE" period!!! Now the rest of it (to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure)No one punished Christ, no one coerced Christ, and no one Crucified Him for their own sadistic pleasure. It was the LAW!! He died at the hands of Pilate." Ok, so if i were to make an image of a "vicky" nailed to a cross, it's a no no. But if I attach a story where she goes willingly knowing that it is a death sentence as a result of breaking a "law" it's quite alright.... Got it. I'll just make sure to attach one if I feel like making an image like that... TOS applies across the board. Religous or secular it desn't matter. I'm not saying that I agree with the TOS, but if they are specifically going to mention an act by name, they damn well had better enforce it.