Thanks for the info. I'm diggin' the new Daz setup but haven't really moved in with the new pref options.

Rockets said it best way back at the top of this but I will add a bit too.

Hot 20 is Renerotica Lite and maybe should be given a new catagory name because apparently there are people looking for that.
When I go there I do hope to see work that is pushing bounderies in more than one theme.

As for Postwork, one only gets brownie points in the world for doing Everything only in Poser if you're working for an Animation house, because you might save them money. If you're doing illustrations, you are probably making yourself too expensive for the job.
If it is just for the pride of doing Poser explosion particles then your doing it for yourself.
I see no reason to cut oneself off from other tools.
No one does in the proffessional world.

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OK, so I'm going ot contest ExistentialDisorders comment to a degree. Depends on how much "doesn't move much" equals. While I can agree it's not enormous, it's all moving. Hips will twist a little as well as stomach. The only reason I mention this nitpick is I've recently seen a lot of pics in the galleries that have enormous twists in the chest with none in the abs or hip. Looks painful.

I'm using PPP and as of today just started to backup my 4gig Runtime so I could make a smaller one. Thought I would get rid of lots of the stuff that I tend not to use but keep it nearby in case I had to switch back for some reason. Kristta's post has put the Fear in me but the idea of re-loading all those items and their SR1, 2 etc doesn't look fun either. I guess I will be the experiment and see how it goes just editing by hand. I'll let you know if it's a horror. But if you have P5 you should have a better go of it.

from 5 to 18: no formal training other than drawing on my own, mostly copying from comics, trying to learn to draw like Stan Lee and Mort Drucker. Worked in the theatre for 10 years, started as an actor ended up a scenic artist, lighting designer. Thought I was going to break into illustration when computer graphics came along looking for "artists" that would be willing to paint with a stylus. Worked for 8 years on one of the first Paint Box-Harry systems in the US. Then one day realized I hadn't drawn or painted anything in years and now I was called a compositor. Got out of the film biz and now working on my own project in LW. I've used Poser for Pre-Viz for Cinema work and to play around with.

Unless you're on a PC (I'm on a Mac) all you would need to do is: Click hold on the title of the window, that will be the title of the file and drag the window back to the center. That should do it.

paulwillocks: "then it is art, no matter what the image or whatever looks like. " I agree, and then after that everyone gets to discuss did it achieve it's goal or not. Did it achieve but could have been better, on and on. That's a system that works. The opportunity that's being missed, as I see it, is not that we join in a circle and chant python scripts till we drown out the voice of becca cox and the Evil Epilguers. I say, "Let 'em in!" Listen to what they're saying. Shutting them out and putting them down shows fear that they could be right. I took a look at their galleries, there's some great stuff over there that would be hard to paint and would really be hard to do in Poser_LW_Bryce. AND, they have there own versions of Vicki with a sword in front of a temple with a cyborg seagull standing on a futuristic pier in front of an alien sunset. If you've ever thought lately how the world is going to survive Al Queda and George Bush and becca cox, well, I don't think the answer is let's hate becca cox and all of her kind. I'm trying to say this without double rainbows appearing over my head. We, Renderosity people, have got to get over this us and them mentality. If you can do it here maybe it will seep into other parts of life. My brain is screaming for me not to send this but ****k_it. I do mean it.

LOL! I'm starting to feel the unofficial honor of being the hot topic killer as I seem to be the last or near last person to post on some of the long debates here. Maybe I should change my handle to "Thread Killer". It probably would make a better avatar than deci6el. I'm gonna take another crack at this even if I'm only talking to Maxxx. Hey, Maxxx. The massive population here is equaled by almost as many contexts that members are working in. When viewed all at once it makes an insane image where good and bad can not be defined because those pitiful evaluations can only exist in one context at a time. To those who are starting out here every render that doesn't crash may be a victory and being supported for that is beneficial when the sheer complexity of the work will make the less commited run away in horror. Meanwhile in another context those who make a living at this must hold each other to the same levels at which proffessional standards demand. That is the challenge if we are to make the forums a more potent communication. We have to try to understand what set of rules they are living in. Geez, I see this in print and it looks impossible. Example: "No postwork allowed". It often seems to me a ridiculous limitation and I have seen many good renders fall short of being a great illustration because they live in a set of rules that won't allow them out of the program. As an illustrator that seems stupid but as an animator it builds strength in not allowing a scene to go over budget as frame by frame work tends to do. Yep, I'm blabbering now, You either got it or didn't by now. Hope it made sense to some.

OK, just read this thread a few times and read the one over at Epilogue. After also reading the TOS and checking their galleries I have to say I see their point. (dodging a barrage of Daz tomatoes and Maya Dolls) And I see the point of the people posting in this thread too. (Hoping you take the time to see where I'm going) Check out kusanagi73 first post. The same snobbery goes on over here. And now we're putting down what snobs the Epiloguers are. And there's Plenty of snobbery in the Big production houses, and they too have some good reasons, sometimes. How often here have we said or heard someone say, "This image done completely in Poser/LW/Bryce with no Post work." Said with pride because we Do know how hard that can be to accomplish. But many times I think, "So what?" There it is, a picture representing hours of dedication with intricate models, detailed textures and a dynamic composition with all the warmth and emotion of ancient slag. It seems a very prevelent predjudice in certain forums here that "painting" is cheating. And at times, they are right too. I would like to see a trend here where those predjudices are seen for their true worthlessness and we get past these petty media wars.

Just went to see your gallery. Yeah, you should really let your stuff stand on its own. Sure, your stuff is a little rough but it (as you said ) is personal and the time and effort you put into composition and giving your characters expressions puts you ahead of all the stale life-less faces that inhabit so many of the slicker images posted here. I will always check out your stuff from now on but I won't support your Madison Ave tactics. : )

Quickly, I will ditto what maxxx said and add that being tricked usually gets my attention pointed at the artists name so I can remember never to look at their stuff again. Karen1573 has a good suggestion, ask for what you want directly. What good is data that is collected on false responses? It actually puts you in a worse position because then you can't trust the numbers that come in based on people knowing what your work really is about.

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all I see is code

UVX being the OS X version?

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