Thanks for understanding...yes it is new in the shrinkwrap. Mick

I am a casual buyer, but have built up a large complement of characters, textures and accessories. I tend to be "sold" by those products that have more illustrations of the products. Your description seems to indicte much more than you show and the quality of the renders are average, which may not fairly reflect the product. Obviously marketing is an art in itself and I suffer from impulse buyer's disease. I remember your product and read it, but was not convinced it added much to what I had...but your price is very attractive. Also with Poser 5 coming I expect has reduced everyone's sales by limited many buyer's descretionary money and just anticipating wanting to buy the new P5 stuff. I expect you can improve some by adding 2 more pages of illustrations and show the full spectrum of the product and work on making excellent renders using some very high quality textures. Good luck.

Good night all.

Cheech and Chong episode brought to you WITH NO HIDDEN MEANING...pure comic relief. I'm too brain dead to be clever tonight. Kupa, really excited about P5, loaded without a hitch and hoping the best of success. No hate from me...life is to short. To each his/her own. Suspect the real truth of EULA is that you have to protect your investment...despite the fact that only those that respect your investment will abide. This is the paradox of all laws. Designed to stop behaviour by those who do not plan to abide, therefore primarily affecting those who plan to abide. Life is rampant with paradox and bias. But humans are the animal the "rationalizes" all behaviors.

Cheech: Shibornik, what's that... Chong: Looks like dog shit to me... Cheech: What? Smell it! Chong: PU! Smells like dog shit... Cheech: What? Taste it! Chong: Yuk! Taste like dog shit.. Cheech: Don't step in it! Flash back...sorry I was in college in the 60's

There is an echo in here here...here...here...here Just got off the road driving 250 miles, celebrating a year post quadruple bypass, sitting in polyester, itching may A** To tired to mess the P5, but this weekend will be different.

oops...errata 1) founding fathers and mothers! 2) (or work) with their products and those of all other artists 3) what the h*ll is a Libertarian

Being Libertarian...let everyone do what they want, as long as they do not physically harm others. The best law is very little law and the best government is the least. The vast majority of all killing and violation of individual rights are from government and religion. Why do you think our US founding father wanted to keep them separate. Like two bullies in the china shop of human creativity. Give me financial freedom (income taxes are legalized theft) and let DAZ and CL work hard to make each of their products the best. Get a flat tax so I can have more descretionary time and money to play (or work with their products)...not support some politicians motives to get re-elected. Sorry had a rant attack....

Being Libertarian...religiously ambiguous...and sexually active, I say bring on the competition. Nothing better for pushing development and cost-effectiveness than good ol' competition. This thread is turning over to a rope. I just got home from out of state and the brown box from Airborne was waiting. Just loaded without a hitch. Mick

I do not know how this figures in, but the face room is module of software that was not designed by CL. That is why only P5 figures work. This is based on the discuss Joe Grover had at the Dragon*Con workshops. Runtime DNA and other Renderosity site merchants made content. Remember CL is an EGISYS company...such subsidiary situations can determine the choices such a dynamically growing company such as CL are able to take...both due the economics and due to business support/advice pathways.

Yes you can check out the following... "Poser 5 Demystified" is the title Call 800-593.AXIS or order at www.3-axis.com price if $60+shipping 2 hours of "micro-movies" Mick

The reality is not that insurance companies demand such things as copyright protection attempts, but that the investors of companies do. This drives the CEO's and BOD decisions, which includes covering their "rears" with insurance. Since banks and insurance companies do a pretty good job of covering their "rears" for their investors, the charges are likely generous...after all don't they own most of the big buildings downtown!

I understand the ProPack's release because of security problems, almost destroyed CL. It is because of the growth of Poser communities and the content support of that community that justified taking the risks to create this new version. In some ways Poser's strength is the extensive and cost effective content. CL recognizes how important this community is, but to continue to expand this platform, the money that keeps CL programming has to be protected. Growing content without an evolving Poser is as detrimental as a strong program without content. Look at the cost of models in all of the "higher end" programs (not to mention the quality). Poser content kicks butt at a bargin price. But only the broad "paying" user base of Poser will allow CL to continue to invest in its growth. This is a symbiotic relationship but not one that all of the users can replace the role of CL nor more than CL can afford to recreate the user base's robust content development. CL has to want this to continue and will not want to jepardize it.

No the first workshop was a walk through of the various "rooms", but we used mainly the Poser 5 male figure. Joe beta tested the cloth room and spent time illustrating some issues to consider in cloth design and use. He is coming out with a 2 hour Poser 5 video tape tutorial (3-AXIS). Joe seemed to be impressed with the entire content approach and quality.

P5 is going to take more power, but if you really want results like this package can produce, you really have no choice but to get the machine that will do it...with hardware prices these days, this is the most obtainable of the requirements for Poser 5. I have had 10 computers going back to 1989...a lot of expensive boat anchors. If you did not buy computers back then, then you do not appreciated the hardware and software heaven we are experiencing now.

The full day workshop was mainly animation related with PoserPP/LW, but unfortunately the other presenter, Joe's partner, who does the LW end of things, had a family emergency and he could not come. It was an intimate group of about 6 and Joe for 8 hours diving into the animation palate and graph with a variety of tips and illustrations making the visit worth it in many ways. He illustrated slick ways to fix BVH files, setting up ambient movement. He uses more of a problem solving approach in a more open forum than a set presentation. I personally enjoy this an found it similar to the Lee Strahan approach with his LW workshops.

You will see me back in Atlanta next year. I sure hope the turnout for Renderosity members is much better than this year. The presentation rooms were largely empty or attended by what I imagine were not mainline computer artists. And I can tell you this Dragoncon group is highly entertaining. It is a culture that I did not know existed in such a robust way. The comedic punchline was that the Baptists Convention that overlapped the last day created the most amazing contrast of white lace church dresses of the Baptist ladies and the Dragoncon members' dominantly black, leather, tatoos, fantansy, piercings, monsters, mystical, etc. What a scene.

I just came back from the Poser/LW and Poser5 Workshops at Dragon*Con by Joe Grover and from what I saw the dynamics and cloth work and are as dynamite as the face/texture, hair and materials rooms. Joe did show some issues with the cloth functions, trick and hints from the beta tester. This is shaping up to be an incredible package with the content (Paradise) room yet to be seen. Joe was very positive about the Content room, which apparently will include a variety of users, including Renderosity merchants. From what I am hearing and seeing, this is going to be a lot of good to fantastic stuff and a few things not addressed, as is always the case with such things.

I think the strenght of emotion driving the whirlwind of paranoia surrounding this package is only going to be equalled by the pleasure that will be felt soon after you slam the P5 disk your CD-ROM drive...and just go with the flow on the security process. I imagine that any defense that CL chooses for Poser5 is driven by a true belief it is worth the effort to safeguard the investment. It may be required for the CEO's liability insurance (typically CEOs and even Board of Directors obtain insurance to cover a lawsuit alleging mismanagement for any company failure... which may mandate "industry standards" for product theft).

To me this is an incredible product at an incredible price...However I grew up with a slide ruler...remember those ancient artefacts! Enjoy Poser 5, I truly feel that all of this anticipation jitters will past in about 10 days and personally I do not want to do anything to slow this delivery process down.

MGlant
...just off the road from Atlanta...Thanks Joe, enjoyed the hints, enthusiasm, sharing lunch and a peek at what I wanted to see and now can not wait to get my hands on.

I understand the comments above and wish I could do this well, great technique.