well, since you'll probably find almost as many issues in P5 (not that it's a bad piece of software, far from it. every peice of software has issues, just ask microsponge) I'd install P6. Hell that's what I'm going to do when I win the free P6 copy from here *positive thoughts ;) * Since there is a bit of a learning curve involved with any new software by the time you get to the high end stuff (where the bugs usually lie) there should be patches out. And don't stress. Go see Dr Geep if you need help, it's P4 but most should still apply.

Well I see that we were heard, and I for one am satisfied. I can see logic in restricting bare chested female characters under the age of 18, thats been a long standing tradition in most of the world. So I put on a smiley face. Thanks again MorriganShadow "(btw, thixen, I'm female ;) ) " ohh yea? You cute? j/k :p

I don't think any one said you where vilian, but if you look back tbere are some posts where people were practically banging their show on the podium. (history ref there)

the point is though that 99% of the people making a fuss would be happy if the TOS allowed topless infant and boy characters. Everything else I totally get and would be defending the TOS at the moment reather then the contrary, as I believe a majority of the people here would. But by letting this go and not making a statement either justifying their reaction or making that small change it ferthers people perceptions that TPTB just sit in their towers and ignore the people below.

MorriganShadow has been the only one to even attempt to answer any of this, but it's obvious that he/she (sorry morrigan, I'm really not sure what pronoun to use. Never asked your gender) isn't the one that are making these rules and isn't getting any more answers from those above her/him then we are.

Message edited on: 03/22/2005 13:31

Well creating a third party that wont give an inch doesnt help anything either. I guess a little common sense (by all parties involved) is a little too much to ask. Ohh and try this one on for size... If all you do is yell, then how can you hear yourself think?

Message edited on: 03/22/2005 12:56

Bible Beater ,as used here, is a general term that indicates anyone so far to the right that they wouldn't have anything but fully clothed asexiual images or images of inanimate objects. Not to infer any relgious context.

Basicly people who wouldn't be happy until everyone had to wear loose fitting turlenecks and slacks Ohh Xeno, I didn't really mean anything by that, except for most of what you've posted you need to look beyond what you said (the words you used) to WHAT you said (the meaning)

Message edited on: 03/22/2005 12:39

acctually the ones in the middle is everyone not in either camp. TPTB, the general user, the merchants, everyone. All screwed by the broken TOS

"don't try to mass-violate new TOS" ? Maybe this would work :> " well that was more just a musing then anything. Truthfully I wouldn't try. Not because a mod said not to, but just because outside of this (the poser) community people really just don't care that much about the TOS, and wont until some grand pap decides to post pics of his grand kids at the beach and gets warned about it. Even then the other communities aren't nearly as active as this one so he really doesn't have any one to complain too. Any form of formal protest by the members of these forums will go largly unanswered by the fact that Rendo isn't a poser exclusive site. In fact I'd say most users outside of the poser world doesn't even know the change has occured. I mean what does a Maya person who does mostly cars care about the TOS in regaurding to posting pics of kids. Anyway the point is that you're never going to get enough people who are willing to risk being banned to ban together and do any type of 'civil disobedance' (sorry about the spelling) type of protests Although I'm still currently ignoring most of what Xeno is saying to avoid a flame war. He does make one good point. In a tug of war, when neither side budges the rope is bound to break, and thats what's happened. The bible beaters vs Rendo should allow any content camps have tugged on the TOS so much that now it's truly broke. Everyone in the middle gets screwed.

Quote from the TOS: "Additionally, any post, image or writings can be removed at the discretion of staff if it is deemed unsuitable for this community. Conversely there may be some images which, whilst in apparent violation of the rules, will be permitted to stay in the interests of free speech and religious tolerance. In such cases the artist may be asked to furnish reasons why the image should be permitted to stay and the decision of the Renderosity staff will be final." So pictures of the baby Jesus as show in the nativity would be allowed as long as I can furnish proof that I am a christian, and it's a part of my religious traditiion.

well just keep in mind that after a certain point waiting for an answer becomes being ignored.

ynsaen, just make the boy suits the old fashion kind with the tank top style top. You'll make a small fortune since I don't think that kind of suit exists in the Poser-verse yet and it's the only kind we can use here. yo Morrigan, any new news, or are TPTB ignoring you now as well? A suitable protest if we are ignored may be just to flood the gallery with pictures outside of the TOS. If we get enough participents they can't ban us all.

I think she was being sarcastic Punto.

Message edited on: 03/21/2005 22:59

What ever number we are on, Children of the Grey fairies. (watch out Rebekah I feel I boom in sales coming up)