Then we shouldn't whine too much when Poser isn't accepted any more than it is. Plain and simple, we bring it on "because that's what sells".

So, your objection is to "vacuous pin-ups"? No, my objection is the OVERLOAD of "vacuous pin-ups". No one's daring to take even a baby step outside that very narrow little circle, and everything -- from the users to the merchants -- pander straight to it. So what do we get? Lots and lots and lots of the same damn thing.

This may be summarizing what others have already said, but what the hey... The problem with Poser's acceptance is that the bulk of the images generated using it do all start to look alike after a while. Hardly anyone wants to go "under the hood," so to speak and see what Poser can do when it's not confined to the standardized beauty of Vicky. Things like the Freak are all well and good, but even now, just a couple of months after that model's release, folks are already rushing back to the one-size-fits-all image of the pretty girl with perfect makeup and hardly any clothes on. And I no longer accept the "well, it's just a hobbyist's program anyway" excuse. Face it, folks -- this program is in a serious rut, and there aren't many people out there trying to get it moving in any other direction than the vacuous pin-up. Maybe if there was a little more variety to what was generated, perhaps the hard-core professionals would see the potential for it the same way we do. But as long as we feed the cliche, then I'm afraid we have no one but ourselves to blame for seeing Poser marginalized. So yeah, if you enjoy making the pin-up images, go for it. But don't get catty about places like CGTalk when all you're doing is giving them more of the stereotype. Personally, I love going to CGTalk -- most of the technical discussion is way beyond me, but the gallery critiques, as harsh as they may be, are among the best you're gonna get because these folks really focus in on the essence of 3d imagery and what makes it work. I've posted Bryce images over there, and no one's given me the "eww, Bryce..." reply, so it's not the pricetag on the software that turns them off. Instead, I've found that if you bring something new to the table, something intruiging, something that takes whatever program you're using and pushes it a little further down the track, they show their appreciation real fast. But to take a stock mesh and add a stock texture and put it in a stock pose and then add a little postwork... you ain't gonna win any friends there.

Be careful, somebody may actually go check. Mehndi, you've started entire threads over there I'd say do exactly that - and have the joy of discovering that this guy hasn't a clue what he's talking about. The "entire threads" Mehndi has started in recent weeks include: (1) banning a merchant for a copyright violation, (2) wishing the staff a happy holiday, and (3) asking if anyone has a particular model so a texture can be tested for the store. Yeah, those all sound like vicious nasty threads to me... But hey, what else is new, right?

Hey, for once, breasts that don't look like stuck-on conical hubcaps! Great work. :)

Well, a few things: The nipples aren't just oblong, they're in the wrong place. Bring them down so they're closer to the pec line. The mouth is still a feminine one, one that doesn't really work that well with the squared off jaw. It's a great start, but it still has a ways to go.

There's some pretty cool furniture at Virtual Interiors and PlanIt3D, and eve the basic models at 3dcafe.com spruce up real nice with the right textures in place.

It's something that can be built from primitives in about ten minutes, if that.

Oops, my bad. Just a wallpaper download. Looks like the character itself is proprietary.

Attached Link: http://www.e-frontier.co.jp/digitalbeauty/feifei/kabegami/index.html

I can beat all of you. I have CANT STOP THE MUSIC on ViewMaster reels. Top that! :)

Or your guinea pig as your son. Eww.

I hate to burst anyones bubble but Poser is not a professional program And a pencil is just a pencil till you do something with it. Like anything else, it depends on what you do with it and how cognizant you are of the limitations you have to work around. I've seen Poser-generated stuff in the RW that blows away the best things in the galleries around here.

So fine, it's gonna be the best thing since sliced bread and our lives will be irrevocably changed for the better with its arrival. That's nice. Now, where the hell is it?

Hmmm ... Don't steal! Don't cheat! Don't lie! What a concept! Now, where have I seen that before ...... hmmmmmm ??? I'd say someone's parish priest was very remiss...