Josema8, as Mada pointed out,  I consulted with her and others about how to respond to your message and was told it seemed threatening to the people I consulted as well. I am sorry that you cannot accept your mistake without further trying to defame someone by posting  insults (childish, brainless, etc.) in a public forum. Perhaps if you worked as hard on creating the characters at DAZ as we did, and then have someone blatantly disregard this work and threaten to post such inaccuracies in public forums you would understand my response.

The truth is partially based on economics as Khrys pointed out. Further, a merchant should not have to be defamed simply because they prefer to work with one character or characters over another. I prefer working with the female figures, simple as that. However, we do intend to do more with Hiro in the future, specifically creating more figures along the style of those in the Final Fantasy VII movie. All generation 3 morph targets are interchangeable, with the exception of M3 and the Freak.

To create a faerie from Stratus, turn on the pointy ears. =;)

Khrys, you do nice work, and as you know  I have purchased some of it. In particular I love your custom body morphs for SP3, They are excellent. I hope your mom gets better soon. :)

lol you can get the morphs (one for head, one for eyebrows) for Emotiguy at our FaerieWylde gifts forum here:

http://www.faeriewylde.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=22049

requires FREE membership to download the freebies ;) This includes instructions on applying OBJ morph targets in Poser.

"All in all you're just another..."

We have never had a need to put the age on a character  because:

1. What it says in the store promo text has no bearing whatsoever on the subjective judments of the gallery admins.

2. The admin are going to "age" the doll by their own personal criteria, i.e., it is completely subjective to the viewers who decide these things. For example, Karen's cute little avatar picture here looks to me to be about 12 or 14, but then she isn't naked either. ;o)

3. There are many characters in the marketplace displayed nude (not ours), especially Aiko3 characters and some Miki's, that have very young faces; large breasts, bald pubes, or lack thereof notwithstanding. The Marketplace has said that Aiko is an adult figure and seems to understand the concept of anime. However, these same images would NEVER pass in the galleries because the galleries are still judged subjectively. I will certainly not point out which images or products because there are already plenty enough people to do that. Also I am not making judgements, only stating facts.  I utterly and completely respect Renderosity's right to make their own decisions on these things.

I suggest simply making another version that has the nipples covered. Then you would have "Nipple Covered Vickie in a Temple with a Sword", but at least it would probably be okay to post in the galleries here.  Alternately, please feel free to post tasteful, non-sexual nude images at http://www.faeriewylde.com of any of ours, or any other characters.

Lastly,  thank you very much, Drifterlee, for your purchase, and please understand we have no voice in these matters, even if we included their drivers licenses. ;o) Your image is welcomed at FaerieWylde, and with over 8,000 members would probably get more "first page" exposure anyway. ;o)

the "MidnightFever - Lilly" V3 character was also a copyright violation, not of Blackhearted's work, but of yet another top merchant. This particular item was officially investigated and found to be in violation.

Sorry about the trouble Rose- if you have this problem in the future with one of my products please contact me and I will set you a download right away. Thorne

yep that would be her ;o)

uh, NO, but I have heard of the Olympic games that are held every 4 years! lol

BTW I just called DAZ and reported this so they will have it fixed very soon I'm sure. ;o)

There is a double double quote "" at the beginning of the eyelash transparency reference in the SylfieMAT file. This was not like this when submitted to DAZ, therefore they must have changed it (Sylfie is a DAZ original and belongs to them) and didn't check it afterwards. Sorry for the trouble, but I swear it ain't my fault! ;o)

I was not aware of the extent to which this debacle had progressed, or that all of Heart'Songs beautiful and unique galleries had been forcibly removed- how utterly dispicable and narrow minded. This is akin to swatting a fly with a rocket powered grenade. for some reason the term "jackbooted thugs" also comes to mind. Way to overkill, mods. :rolls eyes: I think ol' Uncle Albert said it best, "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity...and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

I think perhaps many people are not aware of all the details of what goes/went on behind the scenes with these things, and neither do I. I just wanted to publicly show my support for a friend, and I do understand, Carolly, that you are enforcing rules that are in place primarily for business reasons, rules that are not yours personally.

I agree with those who say these kinds of discussions have little constructive value, and that is the main reason I usually stay out of them. I've been in the same position and had complaints, and had these threads started with narrow minded concepts from some who may have never seen the inside of a real art museum, where subjects of all ages occupy many galleries, including the National Art Museum in Washington DC and of course the grand master of museums, the Louvre in Paris. We can't expect the part-time hobbyist to see it from the same perspective as those of us who have had formal college art training and have studied art for quite some years.

But as you have said and we do understand, this is not about grand masters or museums or segregating art galleries by age, race, sex, or any other of the closed boxes that some people have such a hard time thinking outside of. That is not the point, nor the focus of this discussion. The merit of the work is not in question (there will always be admirers and detractors of any artwork), it's about rules and the equitable application of those rules, or the preceived lack thereof. This is not directed to Carolly or anyone personally, because I honestly do not know who was personally involved.

To that I will only say again that Heart'Song a talented artist, but she is also a sensitive human being and I think she genuinely meant no harm or malice; she was literally in tears over this and I understand her frustration. Hopefully we can calmly all work together to reach some closure on this matter. There was breakdown in the system as I understand it, and perhaps incidents like these can help us to see where the glitches and ambiguities lie in the system and remedy those in a constructive way. I'm very sad to see her gallery has been removed, but that is her decision and everyone should be where they feel comfortable.

Okay, I am poking my head in here one last time just to say that IMO, Heart'Song is a talented and very original styled artist, and if she was banned for images that were already here she should have been given a warning to remove them first. The point is the images were here already, and despite 300,000 members yes it takes what? 30 seconds? To add email verification that a message is received. As I said this is a really talented artist, and deserves better treatment imho. Not trying to start any war here, just putting in my 2 cents worth for someone I admire.

I usually avoid these discussions like the black plague, but I have to point out that Renderosity is not making a moral judgment here, it is a commercial one. In the beginning Renderosity did not have a marketplace at all, it was merely some forums and galleries. When the store was added, it was added on the same existing site, and therein lies the problem. With over 1600 merchants here and I am sure quite a HUGE PayPal account, they are not going to risk having that account confiscated (yes, PayPal DOES THAT) and so for the most part they are forced from a business standpoint to tone it down or have quite a large sum of money tied up in limbo for literally months. If the store site and forum/galleries occupied different URLs, they would not have to be so strict. They were not in the past so strict when most of the images in question were originally posted. What happened? Some self-righteous smarmy asswipe complained about Renderosity to PayPal, so Renderosity came to be in the unenviable position of having to crack down on nudity of any sort, especially young looking characters.

I can assure those would-be witch-hunters that they have scored no victory here as far as getting images pulled: it is mainly a business decision where Renderosity is looking out for their own commercial interests (as any business owner would do), nothing more, though admittedly a moderator or two may have gotten a bit overzealous in his/her interpretation of the TOS. My store at faerie-dreams.com does not allow any more nudity than is allowed in the store here, and that is because it is a BUSINESS, not primarily an ART SITE. Check out the PayPal terms of service (only a few hundred pages, hyperlinked) or ask around here for PayPal horror stories of accounts being frozen for the slip of a naked tit and you will perhaps get the idea. Renderosity is a BUSINESS with forums and galleries attached, NOT the other way around.

In closing, since my site name was carelessly associated with this distasteful business, a clarification. FaerieWylde allows more nudity because the store and the forum are on 2 different URLs, 2 different domains, 2 different servers, even 2 different countries, but even so, sexual images of any kind or any age have been and will be deleted at FaerieWylde as well. I can heartily assure you that it has nothing to do with local ordinances, as we are in the same city as Renderosity (about 2 miles down the road, in fact). However, any creeps thinking they can come over to FaerieWylde and post any nasty nekkid kids-with-wings pictures they like will quickly find out otherwise. The images that were pulled here do NOT violate our TOS as there was merely nudity and no sexuality involved.