Thanks for the help everyone... very informative.

Thank you.  Not sure why I didn't get a message like that sent to me.

Thanks...

Yeah I didn't get Saturday's newsletter.  Does this mean I have to give you guys a new email again?

Yeah I didn't get Saturday's newsletter.  Does this mean I have to give you guys a new email again?

Awesome.  Thanks.

Great to see Panko back.  Your sets were always extremely high quality.  I'd love to see updates of your older stuff for M4 and I'm looking forward to more products in the future.

Again, it doesn't really matter that Miki 3 bends better at the waist.  If you're doing any kind of render where your figure is wearing clothes, that has minimal effect on what you're doing.

Elbows and knees however have a huge effect because they're uncovered far more often.  In all of the renders on the other forum, V4's elbows and knees look 1000 times better than Miki 3.0.  Miki 3.0 gets some pretty bad distortion at even relatively light elbow and knee bends on both the inside and outside of the joints.  V4 doesn't and therefore pretty much makes Miki 3.0 not worth buying.

What I have in my gallery doesn't really represent most of what I do with Poser.   Also what I have in my gallery doesn't change the fact that Miki 3.0 has almost all of the same bending problems Miki 1 and 2 had.  It's a slight improvement, but a slight improvement isn't worth buying and it is inferior in how it bends to V4.

I predict that in six months you won't be seeing many new products for Miki 3.0, if any at all.  Same story you've seen with Miki 1 and 2 given that the figure isn't a significant improvement and doesn't really address what I think were Miki 1+2's biggest flaws.

Quote - Hmm, thought..., if one was to re-rig Miki to match/work with p7 would we be able to give the bone pz3 away or what have you?

Why bother, what you're talking about is called Miki 2.0.

I am not convinced about Miki 3.0's joints.  They really don't seem to work properly.  They're an improvement over Miki 2, but not nearly as good as V4.  Miki 3.0 seems to bend in certain places better than V4, like the hips, but having less natural extremity joints is far more of a liability because they are far less frequently hidden by clothing.  I'll be returning my Miki 3.0...

The biggest problem that Miki 1 and 2 had were the joints.  The elbows and knees still seem to bend in a bulbous, unnatural fashion.  This was my biggest problem with Miki 1+2.  You could use the face, but if you put them in a short sleeved shirt or a dress, they looked terrible when they did anything except stand still.

Miki 3.0 seems to have the same problem.  It's pretty evident in the render that Synthmonkey did that I'm linking here.  Miki 3.0's knee is elongated, totally distorted, and looks completely unnatural.  Seems like the same problems Miki 1+2 had...

With no idea how the mesh actually bends because the pictures in Content Paradise are so small, repetitive, and demonstrate little, I am extremely hesitant to buy the mesh.

Miki 1 and 2 were also extremely problematic.  They had insanely good facial poses and morphs but were utterly awful in how they bent everywhere else.  They also had next to zero support from product makers and what little support they had dried up very rapidly.

Smith Micro has also done an awful job marketting Miki 3.0 as compared to even independent Poser product makers.  Where is the innundation of private renders from people who have advanced copies?  Where are the previews of upcoming clothes and other products for Miki 3.0? 

Even the smaller Poser product makers do this and Smith Micro's lame Facebook campaign that also included terribly unuseful renders that gave little hint at how the mesh comes together didn't make up for it (I also don't need to open my Facebook account up to a bajillion people by friending a digital model).

So until I see some more renders that show me Miki 3.0 doesn't have the prolems that a lot of the meshes coming out of Smith Micro have had, I'll be holding back.

... and problem fixed.  Thanks!!!!

I just figured it out.  It was a problem with the material file.  It's making the white of the eye appear darker than the pupil.  Makes the eye look like it's rotated in the wrong direction.  Problem solved.  Thanks.

This is what makes it weird,  in preview, the eyes move.  And this has never happened before.