Mehndi on a personal level I also have no quarrel with you.. However I do question things. You use innuendo and manipulation of words to make things seem what they are not.. You try to credit me with things and actions that are not so. Actually I quite admire your use of the written word.. You have the ability to weave into a sentence something that is pure fantasy yet make it seem true. 'The pen is mighter than the sword' and how well you wield it. I have no hidden agenda, I am not here as part of some secret society, ploting away.. I post as and individual as is my right. My opinion as valid as yours. I have not given an opinion one way or another regarding the new guild. I have too little information to do so. I do however question your passing judgement on others work. I do not feel I can trust you.. Honesty is always best do you not think..?? You often say you value loyalty.. I value that also, along with integrity. As they say actions speak louder than words and your actions in posting that email speak volumes to me. Besides breaking confidentiality you broke copyright. Sad when you consider you were the moderator of the copyright forum.. This is starting to look like you want your guild be if by fair means or foul... Just not how I do business.. So I will have to ponder long and hard on this one.. Thats me done with this thread.. I am sure you will want the last word.. :)

You have to admit he is adorable :)

Mehndi never, ever be so presumptuous as consider you know why I post to any thread... I posted to the thread in reply to Thorne giving you permission to post the messages he posted in a private forum.. That is PART of this thread.. Permission I thought wasted.. as you have shown a total disregard of private information and confidentiality by posting a private email in a public forum.

Yep Poppi have to say your right, but then we are talking about a mentality that verges on the insane. Of course they did it in secret.. The may be insane but they weren't stupid. A group of people whose ideologies differ so vastly from the main stream and what is considered the norm, that President Bush felt the need to point this out in his recent address... And NO you cannot compare these fanatics and there practices to the business practices of the mainstream business world.. We are after all a benign group, who simply discuss ways to improve the Market Place. Both for the vendor and the customer.. If the fact that it is vendor only gets your nickers in a knot... Well so be it.

Poppi You keep changing course.. "And, YES, I very much do equate the recent attacks on the WTC with the drop off of tourists in South Florida beach towns to folks being afraid to fly, airports experiencing amazing problems, and living in a new "NO FLY ZONE". " This statement above while true, has nothing to do with comparing terrorist activity and brainstorming in the mainstream business world. I know this happened.. 'As for "insider trading" on the attacks...YOU get real...It happened." I am well aware it happened. Amongst the terrorists.. I am also more than capable of doing research.. Quote "An elite government task force, along with the Securities and Exchange Commission, is investigating the possibility that someone associated with last week's terrorist attacks tried to profit by shorting the stocks most likely to be affected by the disaster." Source http://www.usatoday.com/money/general/2001-09-21-suspect-options.htm Qoute"WASHINGTON -- The government is investigating whether terrorists tried to profit from stock and options trading before last week's World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks, Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said." Source http://www.freep.com/news/nw/terror2001/finan21_20010921.htm Note in both these examples they refer to those being assosicated with the act of terrror.. Not your main stream buisness populous. As for slamming well your the one that wrote. "That someone would eventually stoop to trying to make this an horrendous offense. " This was in reply to a post I made that had absoutely nothing to do with the topic of the guild.. Which started this whole ball rolling.. Helen over, out and outta here... It's been fun playing with you.

Poppi now you equate terrorists with your mainstream business man/woman and business practices... "Have you read, heard spoken of the insider trading that went on right before the attacks?" Get real.... sheesh

No poppi this in NOT my intent 'Are you now, going to try and get Mehndi and Thorne banished?" I just pointed out that Mehndi talks about ethics. Thorne said Trolls who post private messages are the scum of the earth. So I posed the question 'does posting a private message in a public forum' = an unethical scum of the earth "That someone would eventually stoop to trying to make this an horrendous offense. " Point out to me where in my post I actually mention the new guild.. I have not passed judgement on the idea one way or another at this stage. My concern was one of trust... or lack there of. Oh dear Poppi equating what is a practiced business procedure (brainstorming = private forum) to 'the cells of terrorists, who reside in my area, could not have done what they did to the WTC" is extreme to say the least.

Mehndi I have no illusions what so ever about this "you can eventually expect to see it posted somewhere so that you come to face what you said in private" None what so ever.. However just because it happens does not make it right or acceptable. There are proper channels for this "Otherwise, there are not witnesses to abuse and injustices on the internet." In the case of that particular email just put a filter on your email not to accept any more.. Simple... "Even the presidents email was read, and publically published at a certain period of time not long ago, when the information was pertinent to an issue." If the email was one in regards to his running the country. then could that not be considered a breach of security as well as privacy..?? Personal feeling.. well I really don't have any not having met you on a personal level. I admire your work.. However I will never trust you with a private message or confidence.. I would give you an example but I will NOT repeat any message not matter how tame in a public forum that is private..

Thorne does that make Mehndi the 'scum of the earth' for posting a private email in the C&D forum? http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=407825 Who it is from and what it was about is irrelevant.. It is in essence the very same thing as posting a message from a private forum.. Worse still if you consider it was meant for one set of eyes only. So one has to ask the questions.. How 'ethical' was that and would Mehndi have any qualms about posting private messages? Would Mehndi have any qualms about posting an email any of us send to her in private? Apparently not. Trust just flew out the window.. Just calling it as I see it. FYI Thorne I have the utmost respect for you and your work.. This is not meant as a go at you.. I just find it Ludicrous that a person who expends so much energy telling everyone how ethical she is does this.

OOOOOH these are great... Beautifully tailored :)

Beautiful..:)

My girls love their boots.. :)

Ah this is sad news... I wish you both well in your lives.. I am glad that this is a 'friendly parting'.

I have sat on the fence with the PFO issue.. Thought its their site, each to their own.. etc etc Could never understand their non-commericial use policy.. Kinda like telling a plumber you can buy a wrench, but don't you dare use it except for personal home repairs... BUT this goes too far.. Just for the record.. Anything sold via Renderosity for the Community Fund is 100% given to the fund.. NO payments to the vendors, NO percentage taken by Renderosity.

OH this is terrible... I am sorry this has happened to you :(