@Dynamoe The one who said that Anton tended to produce witch-hunts, was me. And I stick to what I said. I have seen threads where Anton demanded the removal of people from the community because of things long past. While he was right on demanding the removal of people who use warez and who steal his work, the way he does so, is not very nice (to be friendly). So, in my opinion, Anton is right at what he does, but not in the way he does it. @bijouchat I tend to disagree again... The v-lines represent only the changes between the original mesh and that, what is new. The new deformation was created by the one who created the morph-target and the difference is effectively not copyrighted or even copyrightable by DAZ. Som the copyright for the difference is by the person who created that difference. However, this is highly theoretical, since different states will have different copyright-laws regarding exactly this case. And DAZ has no problem if morphs are distributed in v-line-object-files. @ronstuff I have my problems with the idea of those transitional values. THe morph itself is copyrighted. This does not say, that only the 1.000-Morph is copyrighted, but also everything that is derived from this morph is actually copyrighted. If I buy a asian-morph for Vicky 3 from DAZ, use 0.5 of this morph and a few other morphs to create a half-asian-looking character, I still used the DAZ morph to create this effect. If I sell this morph, I am making money with something that DAZ created. Sorry, but for me, such a thing as a transitional value doesn't exist. The whole morph at any value possible for it is copyrighted by the one who created it. Joerg

Actually I can sometimes understand Anton. I remember a thread, where he mentioned that the sales of Poser-related material helped him better his living-conditions. If my living-conditions would be based on my sales here, I too would probably be more nasty seeing my stuff pirated. (Well, big words for someone like me, who has only one piece at all in the marketplace.) Joerg

@ronstuff: I tend to disagree here. A morph can be as much copyrighted as a final mesh. In the case of a moprh, you do not copyright the mesh represented by the morph, but only the changes to that mesh. Since these changes can actually change a figure to something totally different, this is a very powerful yet easy method to get a new character. If this isn't worth of a copyright, I don't know what else should be. Since these changes are represented in the v-lines of the morph-files, these v-lines are the part that you have a copyright for, if you created these morphs. So DAZ is absolutely right in asking you to remove those parts of the morph, that is owned by them (the geometry-data). And why shouldn't you do so? What keeps you from doing so? It is easy (Bushi even wrote a script for it.) and reduces file-sizes by about 60%... As for DAZs methods: Sorry, but I haven't seen any threats, intimidations or bullying-tactics by DAZ up to now. If I missed them this is my fault, but we all have different ways of seeing things and what one may consider a threat may seem like a simple way of saying: "Not this way!" to me. @sargebear I don't know Anton in person and hence cannot say anything about the way he really is. I trust you on what you say about him, but all I have seen, are many of his threads here on Renderosity. And some of these threads do not shed a good light on him. To someone who doesn't know him - like me - he seems aggressive and very vengeful. But like I said: I don't want to make this personal. If you say that he is different when met personally, I do believe that. Joerg

Now, we have this 3D-lithography-system here and I might just ask our systems-specialist if we could fill it up with latex. Maybe I can supply all of you with your very own latexa genital prop soon... I need to discuss this with the marketplace admin. (And my major who is going to have my fingernails ripped out if I fill latex into the 3D-lithopgraph...) Just joking... Joerg

I know how touchy Anton is and while I dislike the way he starts those witchhunts (and how vengeful he is), I said exactly that: He is absolutely right in this case. Joerg

Well, While I have my reservations about Anton (Nothing personal, but you do tend to start witch-hunts every now and then. Not as bad as StefyZZ, but bad enough...) I can see no wrong on his side in this discussion. DAZ does not want you to redistribute their geometry. It is their damn right to so. PERIOD! I wouldn't want you to redistribute my commercial geometry-data either. Allowing the use of pz2- and fc2-files is a way to allow the sharing of a character containing this commercial geometry-data - a very friendly move by DAZ if you ask me. Other corporations might even forbid the commercial use of such reference-files. But using commercial-geometry of someone else to create freestuff or your own commerical material if definitely theft. If you want your character to have a broader jaw, then model that morphtarget yourself! Don't use DAZ geometry if you want to sell something. Also, while I am actually rather script-stupid, even I havew found an easy way to strip object-files of everything but the v-lines. (Just load it into PHI-Builder and remove everything but the v-lines.) On this case, Anton is definitely absolutely right. Joerg

Show me the modeller who would forbid someone to do a texture for their stuff. I feel honored, if someone deems my stuff worthy of doing textures for it.

Time to say goodbye... Damn, I thought I would never make it so such a thread on time.

Joerg Weber... Member since - Wednesday, February 17, 1999 Long ago and far away... In the golden age of posing. Long before evil descended to this beautiful land from the dark realms of the marketplace, that crowds our beautiful galleries with badly made advertising and half-naked vickies in temples.

Well, in the end I planned her as freestuff anyway - kind of an excuse for my marketplace-stuff. (One item in the marketplace - one item in freestuff... It soothes my communist soul to do this after I have fallen to my capitalist urges.) So, I could easily do several heads for her body. I probably do a human one, a goatish one and a cow-type-head. I also thought about redoing the feet, adding claws and giving the girl a lizard-head (I have several of those...) Because UV-Mapping in 3D-Max is a pain, I will do it in UV-Mapper Pro. This means there will only be one body (maybe another one with full human features and a third one with claws. The heads will need to be seperate, so I can map them separate. While I rate my modelling skills in 3D-Max rather high, I do have a more realistic impression of my skills with Poser: zip... null... zero... non-existant... So I do need someone with a solid grip on Poser-Joint-Parameters. Joerg

Ethical - unethical... This whole discussion is bogus. All those die hard ethics-junkies will probably be the first ones to start-up WinMX and download a crack for Poser 5 if CuriousLabs goes down the drain. I have no problem at all with having or using such a crack with a legitimate version of Poser. I bought this product and I have a right to use it. Either CuriousLabs provides me with the codes I need to do that - or I will do so myself. I see nothing unethical about this. When it comes to CuriousLabs, I have changed my opinion a lot in the last year. At first they seemed to be a really well working group with good ideas. But when they started with their hairbrained copyright-protection-schemes they really started to go down the drain. Even Quark - a software corporation known for their paranoid protection-schemes - learned that this was not the way to go if you want to keep your customers. Quark 5 has almost no copyright-protection at all - and Quark still exists, sells software that is seriously overpriced and thrives. And what does CuriousLabs do? They come up with an even more restrictive way to protect their bug-ridden software. Hey guys, have you read any news lately? Restrictive copyright-protection-systems are a waste of time. They get hacked in no time and only bug legitimate customers. Sometimes it helps to stick your head out of your think-tank and get a reality-check. Fine with me... I will wait for DAZ to come up with their new software.

On the contrary. At the moment, english is becoming one of the minor languages on the net. Although most of us do not realize yet, a great amount of pages is written in Mandarin. Most pages accessible via Google and other search-engines are still english, but this will change in the next few years. Chinese will sooner or later become a very important language on the net. Important enough for my boss to force me to learn Mandarin... Joerg