k here is a new spoon, all i did was bevel this time. how does it look and is the thickness right?

here ismor views of the bad pair

here is a picture of a spoon and fork i did. this is the reason why i need to a tutorial that i can understand or i well be modelling these for the rest of my life. the fork i think is fine i just need to bring the teeth out more. but the spoon needs alot of help. Baz what i did on the spoon is i used a cylinder to make the first shape, then i extruded a bit so i would have a top and bottom for it. then i hightlighted the top poly and beveled it out and upwards. then i think i extruded using the numeric window to get it to have a second skin. but i am seeing i didnt give it a thick enough one. also without knowing how wide and upwards to make the bowl of the spoon it came out pretty flat. and to top it all off the center of it isnt smooth. i didnt know what to do with that so i stretched all those points into one. paul, i used lightwave for this, but i also have rhino. although without a tutorial i wouldnt know where to start in rhino to make this and even worse how to save it so the mesh isnt huge.

actually the bowl is that way because it is a cereal bowl and that is how mine looks...hehe. the spoon was done like you said just not as thick i guess. can someone please show me a picture of how high up i am supposed to bevel on the spoon. think that is my major problem. i really downt know how high and wide i am supposed to go.

here is the one rendered in poser, why is the detailing really apperent here?

yes baz i agree i dont care for the animated ones either. im better with mini tutorials mainly but animated just kill me over and make me quit faster...lol. no on the shift e thing, i rarely use my keyboard short cuts, well except the ctrl key when i need to go in a straight line. i have gotten so used to just using my mouse pad and changing is very hard to keep up with. i have not a clue what i am doing wrong, but somewhere along the lines im off. im thinking i may end up with my handle being seperate the spoon as i have to get this spoon done so i can add it to the rest of my kitchen.

moe i still dont understand this spline thing. remember when i told you in the chat room, only way i know how to make a spline is on a four point square. so with a spoon which is rounded how do i do that? i love all the spoons but im not learning anything really cause its all about splines. you all gotta remember im still new at modeling....lol. i mean sure i have made some nice models but im still new though. so you gotta talk to me like i am a four year old....hehe

Attached Link: http://www.newtek.com/products/lightwave/tutorials/modeling/modeling/spoon.html

umm ok, i need pictures please like a mini tutorial or something to help me better. the spoon i did was found at this link, but mine wasnt coming out no where close to the tutorial. the extruding mainly is the problem. if i extrude it, i end up with two surfaces instead of one which looks really bad. also the smooth shifting to get the handle. when i smoothsift my handle goes downwards not upwards like the tutorial is showing. so should i model the head first then do the tail on a separte layer? also guys there are really neat. so many ways to make a simple spoon and here i am looking like a lost frustrated puppy :(

ooo pretty buttons there bobbie!!

yes i agree with you diandra just wanted to know what was meant by seamless tiling. cause i know i have tried this on my animal prints and floral prints and everytime have come into making them a kaliedescope which annoys the mess out of me. So since i also sell fabric swatches, i make them non seamless but i try to give people huge sizes that rosity well allow on digital. although as one of my customers has come to me in the past asking for the full size of one of my packages and i have inturn uploaded and gave that to them. dont know if it was the wisest idea but if you buy it and want it then lest its there so you can make it seamless on your own. maybe one day i well just take the full sizes, put them on cd and sell them that way. also Laurie thanks, i knew about that one, but that is right, doesnt always work on everything. wish it would though would make my life alot easier. i have brocade fabric, i well try to seamless those although they are very design heavy so it may not work. can you please tell me where i can find this program you are talking about?

well i want to know is what method is used to make them seamless i guess...i think that just confused me. i mean would you call something that looks like the image a seamless tile? where one is like a kaliedescope(spelling) and the other is made with psp7 seamless tile. (the one in the center is the original tile)i mean when i used to texture, all i did was take that 300 res fabric scan i made and stick the intire thing on the outfit. sure that was probably the wrong way but for me i look at them if i were sewing them. i guess to each their own though. i just dont sell seamless...i dont see the use in messing up a perfectly good peice of fabric design and figure its best to let someone else do that part.

what is seamless exactly? do you mean when you buy fabric in a store and then sew it on your sewing machine at home. did you know that even doing that, where the seams meet the front and backs of the item dont match up exactly...but wierd is they do in the 3d world. and how do you make a true seamless tile? by kalidescope fashion or making the edges blurred or offsetting it and then trying to match them up that way. i have only found one real way of doing it and that is to make them as you would appliying walpaper to a wall. and then still you dont get one pattern to say sell in a store. this is why mine arent seamless. i figure if i sell them in a larger size then getting them seamless on the item your texturing would probably be easier.

oh awesome. lol i never really payed attention to the manual. to me all manuals read like they are in a different language and i never understand them. i tried so hard with lightwave manual by reading it five times and still i dont understand it...lol hugs bea

thanks a bunch and i didnt know about the alt-click method, i alsways just do it by the keypad. hugs bea

umm whats an erc control?