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Subject: Bobbie25s Pearl and Lace Kit


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Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 6:19 PM · edited Sat, 15 February 2025 at 10:20 AM

The Pearls and Lace Kit contains a total of 52 pearl and lace designs layered in 3 psd files for use with Paintshop Pro, Photoshop or any other image editing program that can open psd files for easy texturing of clothing, cloth, props, for quality designs.

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Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 6:20 PM

lace for all your textures

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Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 6:22 PM

and add some pearls to lol xoxo
Price: $9.00 were at the Renderosity MarketPlace soon!! dont miss out

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pendarian ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 6:36 PM

Looks good Bobbie. What are the sizes of the images?


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 6:42 PM

there are about 450 by 450 to 550 by 270 and biger

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pendarian ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 6:44 PM

Thanks :)


Dave71 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 7:15 PM

they look beautiful..


pendarian ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:22 PM

Good questions Dizzie :) Yes, I too need them to be seamless, otherwise there is no reason to spend money on them actually. Since they are psds there shouldn't be any background to lift them off of Dizzie, they should be on a transparent layer.


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:23 PM

nope not seamless and nope no Bg on them paintshop 8 makes things seamless lol if that helps

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pendarian ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:32 PM

PSP has had a seamless option since Version 6 actually, I believe. Doesn't work too well though, so I hope they have improved that in 8. I thought Photoshop had that capability too, you mean there is something that PSP has that Photoshop doesn't?? Shocking :) Dizzie, if they are cut cleanly, then cutting and pasting them to appear seamless shouldn't be a problem. Otherwise, it will be a PITA to make them look right, but it can be done. Just depends on whether you think they are pretty enough to spend the money, knowing you may (not for sure) but may have some problems using them down the road for a project. Pendy


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:37 PM

PSP has that Photoshop doesn't?? Shocking :) yes very and works very well do have to say never thought about making them seamless will do that to the nex set for sure ty for asking for seamless

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Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:46 PM

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this is what i use them for thats y i never thought of making them seamless i like to use them for trim on textures

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pendarian ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:47 PM

Yeah I know Dizzie, I know. I agree, something like this should be made seamless. Bobbie, maybe you should take the time to do that since you can..(according to your statement anyway). I agree, if you have to buy it, it should be ready to use, it's a quality issue I think. That and just good customer service. But, that's just my opinion as a conspicuous consumer :) Pendy


umblefugly ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 10:47 PM

Actually dizzy,I own psp 7.04ae and there is no seamless option that I am aware of. Also, I see you tiled the pieces above in both directions,wouldnt the proper proceedure be to tile them only left and right?....after all PSP 8.0 has that option...Just MY 2 pennies.


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:02 PM

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in paint shop 8 if you goto Effects/imageEffects/seamless tiling and hit edge veritical this is what you get so i gess thats not that hard just about a click and ty will keep it in mind for the nex set

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Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:06 PM

lol thats just a texture im working and did it by rotateing them and its not done so yes it looks a littel funny still but when its done as many ppl do it will look just right

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umblefugly ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:14 PM

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Actually if you knew how to use PSP8s tiling feature youd know im right. But lookie my screen capture. :) Amazing eh?


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Thu, 15 May 2003 at 11:23 PM

no hun your fine no biggy but i will do it for the nex set for sure ty

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Aery_Soul ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 1:31 AM

I agree with Pendy, I never buy non-seamless textures or laces, the fact is you should also consider not everybody own PSP8 or have time and will to do them seamless, when your working on something (a texture in this case) I'd like my tools to be ready for use.
And just to be clear, I'm stating this because I was already in love with this package :)

~Siliphiel

www.aerysoul.com


LaurieA ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 5:30 AM

I think they're great. And they look like they repeat enough that they could be cut to seamless with one click :o). Since I paste a lot of my stuff in Photoshop piece by piece anyway, it's really no biggie to me whether trims are seamless or not. Now texture fills on the other hand.... ;o) Laurie



pendarian ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 10:24 AM

Yeah I was already in love with it too :) I'm a PSP7 user myself. Oh Laurie, don't even get me started on texture fills LOL!! The clone tool gets a huge workout from me on those a lot of the time :)


LaurieA ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 11:23 AM

Texture fills I like to make seamless from the get-go. I can't stand a texture fill that's supposed to tile that doesn't. So I check 'em all...LOL ;o). Photoseam by Mediachance is a great program (actually the best I've found for just creating seamless from non-seamless). It's cheap too. I like that - cause I'm cheap...hehehe. However, I do have a lot of trims that I prepped myself and as long as there's a transparent background, making them seamless on the texture map is easy enough, especially when you are placing them in little bitty pieces when going around curves and what not. At that point, whether they are seamless or not makes no difference. You are gonna have to use the clone tool in those instances :o). At least that's been my experience. But it's a whole lot less difficult than a seamless texture fill :o) Laurie



LaurieA ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 11:24 AM

Oh! and pendarian? Most times my clone tool is virtually smokin! LOL ;o) Laurie



Bobbie25 ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 11:32 AM

lol you to are so bad lol texture fill eekkk but yes you can just click and move them off the black bg i tryed to post pics of the on a transparent background but it really looked finny lol so i just made the bg black so you could see them better as for seemless just got them done i would like to offer both seemless and non seemless dont know how i would do that its a big file all ready

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dialyn ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 11:45 AM

This is because I'm clueless, but is there a need for both seamless and non-seamless version in one package? It seems as if the seamless could be used for non-seamless purposes but not visa versa. Or am I wrong? Could be. I am a dunce at this stuff. The pearls and lace are a gorgeous package. And this discussion has made my acquisition of PSP 8 more likely.


pendarian ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 11:49 AM

Bobby, so the black background is on a separate layer from the lace right? How big does the file turn out to be Bobbie? Laurie, yes mine smokes too, and complains and gripes, but what are ya gonna do? LOL!!!


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 12:20 PM

the black bg is 2000by2000 and yes its a separate layer it was transparent but i thought the lace could be seen better if the bg was black

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pendarian ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 12:31 PM

Okay, thanks sweetie :) Thanks for answering all of the questions too :) Pendy


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 12:31 PM

Filesize: 23.87 MB is what it is right now i would like to offer both seemless and not seemless but with the size as is there is no way yet

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pendarian ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 12:36 PM

Unless of course those that buy get the offer of seamless if they want as a bonus? Just an idea?


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 12:37 PM

o thats a good idea hun i think i will try that ty

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wenke ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 2:05 PM

This pieces are great for endless tubes in PSP, I think.


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 2:27 PM

you may make them into brushes or tubes in paint shop or photo shop

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pendarian ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 2:41 PM

Another good idea :)


ivyroses ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 4:29 PM

Someone was kind enough to get me this package as a gift. I much prefer the lace in the raw form instead of seamless because I do work in layers upon layers. Its easier for me to make individual adjustments to it that way. Honestly, I dont have a need for them to be seamless. If I did need them to be that way I would run them through 20/20 or some other program to make them that way. In doing that everyone would be using the same materials ect.ect. You can only flood fill lace so many ways w


dialyn ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 4:33 PM

thank you, ivyroses...I wasn't clear on what the limitation of the seamless lace would be. :)


LilWolff ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 9:45 PM

A beautiful selection! And oh my gosh! The work involved in these.. I know I have done it and is a PIA.

Soooo what I am thinking is this sure could save me a lot of time, aggrivation and sometimes frustration when I want a bit of lace on something. But I did not see what I wanted to know in the readme. Perhaps I missed it? But if I use these as borders on something that I am making can I still distribute my textures freely with no copywrite issues with your lace on them?


pendarian ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 9:48 PM

Ohhh..LilWolff, I missed that in the readme...good question.


Bobbie25 ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 9:51 PM

use then as you with just can not sell the package in part or whole but you may sell any textures you make from it xoxo

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LilWolff ( ) posted Fri, 16 May 2003 at 10:02 PM

Oh I am not going to sell anything but if I end up giving something away I just wanted to make sure I was not causing any trouble for myself or anyone else. Thanks! I do appreciate the hard work that went into this and the variety of your package. Not to mention the saving of my eyesight and hands from that chore of trying to cut out my own. :-) Good luck! Is more than worth the money to me. :-)


Diandra ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 3:50 AM

Just wanted to say what a lovely kit and clarify a few things. First of all, all you PSP'ers, don't get too excited about PSP doing something PS can't - sorry to have to tell you this but you can create seamless tiles very easily in PS. It is under Filters | Other !! ;) hehehe PS7 also has a great pattern generator which is just fabulous. Also, as for this Lace kit being seamless, I really don't think it is necessary. They are lace embellishments and not textures as such and a lot easier to manipulate as they are imho, of course. I definitely would expect fabric scans, textures, patterns etc. to be seamless!


LadyBea32 ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 8:56 AM

what is seamless exactly? do you mean when you buy fabric in a store and then sew it on your sewing machine at home. did you know that even doing that, where the seams meet the front and backs of the item dont match up exactly...but wierd is they do in the 3d world. and how do you make a true seamless tile? by kalidescope fashion or making the edges blurred or offsetting it and then trying to match them up that way. i have only found one real way of doing it and that is to make them as you would appliying walpaper to a wall. and then still you dont get one pattern to say sell in a store. this is why mine arent seamless. i figure if i sell them in a larger size then getting them seamless on the item your texturing would probably be easier.


Diandra ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 12:22 PM

Hi! :) It really does depend on what you are using the fabric scans for in terms of digital art application. Seamless means that the pattern repeats without any obvious breaks or "seams". Although clothes in the real world do have seams and patterns don't always match up, for 3d texturing you have to create very believable seams for the clothing item to be acceptable or the item should be seamless. Hope that makes sense. Sometimes you need to fill in an area of clothing or whatever with a pattern and it is easier if that pattern is seamless as all you need to do is fill as opposed to spending time to make that pattern seamless. I have to be honest, I make a lot of my own patterns and do various scans of materials/fabrics and make them all seamless - first thing I do. If I am buying fabrics, I won't buy if they are not seamless unless they are exceptional and something I particular want! Hope that answers your question a bit! Please feel free to shout if it doesn't! regards Diane


LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 1:01 PM

Same here Diandra. I make almost all my own textures and I ALWAYS make them seamless tiles first thing. If they are even fabric scans, I still make them seamless so that I can fill a specified area with no seams. The only area of a texture map (assuming it's a clothing item) that I don't care to match patterns is if it's an area where a real piece of clothing would normally have a seam, such as where the sleeve meets the body of the clothing, seams down the outside of pants between the front and back - areas that would normally be pieced together on a sewing machine. Laurie



umblefugly ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 1:11 PM

Nature abhors a straight line...saying that, Isnt the goal in 3d to create models and images that are as close to real life as can be? If you look at something that is perfectly seamless in all areas wouldnt it scream "fake" no matter how good the textures themselves were? Its like a perfect face, its beautiful but it has no character so to speak, but a blemish will make the faces beauty stand out all that much more. Just rambling here, damn coffee.....:P


LadyBea32 ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 2:10 PM

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well i want to know is what method is used to make them seamless i guess...i think that just confused me. i mean would you call something that looks like the image a seamless tile? where one is like a kaliedescope(spelling) and the other is made with psp7 seamless tile. (the one in the center is the original tile)i mean when i used to texture, all i did was take that 300 res fabric scan i made and stick the intire thing on the outfit. sure that was probably the wrong way but for me i look at them if i were sewing them. i guess to each their own though. i just dont sell seamless...i dont see the use in messing up a perfectly good peice of fabric design and figure its best to let someone else do that part.


LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 2:44 PM

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K folks...here's a quickie seamless primer ;o). This first image is a fabric swatch that has not been made seamless. I chose a real simple repeating pattern to illustrate. The original swatch is shown against the tiled file where you can visibly see the seems. Nasty stuff ;o). Laurie



LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 2:45 PM

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This is the original swatch showing the edges of the repeat. You have to crop the image here to be sure it tiles seamlessly. Laurie



LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 2:47 PM

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This is the last image cropped at the points in the image above and filled into a larger area as seamless tiles. Now there are no seams! Easy, yes? :o) Laurie



LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 2:51 PM

Now, not all patterns can be made seamless this easy. Some repeats on fabric span many inches across the face of the fabric before the design repeats. In those instances you need help of special software like Photoseam. What Photoseam does is allow you to clone an area in real time against the original. It will change the pattern somewhat, but it will still look like a nice design. A lot of repeating patterns are based on Escher principles and tho they may repeat perfectly horizontally, they shift slightly on the vertical or vice versa, making them virtually impossible to line up without help. Laurie



Diandra ( ) posted Sat, 17 May 2003 at 5:05 PM

Great illustration, Laurie. It can take a lot of hard work to make a fabric scan, or any pattern, seamless. I only use Photoshop and make great use of the clone tool after using the offset filter. It is very rare that I will buy textures if they haven't been completely prepared for texturing or graphics use. Sorry but I think anyone can scan fabrics and embellishments not matter how great they are and I won't pay for that. But someone who has taken the time to prepare the graphics and understands the environment in which they may be used can afford to charge a bit more and make sales. Imho, of course ;) I think it is OK to see natural seams on clothing textures but it is very rare that it is done with any kind of expertise. It is just a question of the pattern not lining up but making it look stitched and like a piece of clothing instead of a 3d model, is the key!! Very interesting thread - pun intended!! ;) Di


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