I also wish to thank all in advance for your efforts to support the forum and it's overhead. Diane and I will work closely with each contributor to ensure that your work is the most desirable and salable it can be made to be. I am willing to give any help to any of you that my technical skills cover in working on your donation projects. For a very short idea of our current submission process (though Diane and I are working to get a more carefully detailed submission process posted soon): 1) Send Diane and myself both a simple and not too large rendering from 3 or 4 angles of the proposed piece by email to hbg@kreative.net and DTHUREGRIF@aol.com. This begins the submission process. 2) We will within 24 hours confirm that we have received your proposal and renders, and within 72 hours attempt to send back some response, suggestions or even just ask you to go to the next step, which is sending us the files for testing. 3) At this stage we arrange for you to send us the actual files, even if they are in a stage where you may need to make some suggested modifications, so we can begin doing some testing on both our machines for basic usability, since we wish all items in the store to be of only the highest standards of quality for our purchasers. 4) Once the model or contributed project is in a satisfactory condition, you will be contacted by Jack and Ed to work out any details needing still to be worked out, and we will begin moving to getting your product on display in the store :) Here to help in any way I can! Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

I also wish to thank all in advance for your efforts to support the forum and it's overhead. Diane and I will work closely with each contributor to ensure that your work is the most desirable and salable it can be made to be. I am willing to give any help to any of you that my technical skills cover in working on your donation projects. For a very short idea of our current submission process (though Diane and I are working to get a more carefully detailed submission process posted soon): 1) Send Diane and myself both a simple and not too large rendering from 3 or 4 angles of the proposed piece by email to hbg@kreative.net and DTHUREGRIF@aol.com. This begins the submission process. 2) We will within 24 hours confirm that we have received your proposal and renders, and within 72 hours attempt to send back some response, suggestions or even just ask you to go to the next step, which is sending us the files for testing. 3) At this stage we arrange for you to send us the actual files, even if they are in a stage where you may need to make some suggested modifications, so we can begin doing some testing on both our machines for basic usability, since we wish all items in the store to be of only the highest standards of quality for our purchasers. 4) Once the model or contributed project is in a satisfactory condition, you will be contacted by Jack and Ed to work out any details needing still to be worked out, and we will begin moving to getting your product on display in the store :) Here to help in any way I can! Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

I also wish to thank all in advance for your efforts to support the forum and it's overhead. Diane and I will work closely with each contributor to ensure that your work is the most desirable and salable it can be made to be. I am willing to give any help to any of you that my technical skills cover in working on your donation projects. For a very short idea of our current submission process (though Diane and I are working to get a more carefully detailed submission process posted soon): 1) Send Diane and myself both a simple and not too large rendering from 3 or 4 angles of the proposed piece by email to hbg@kreative.net and DTHUREGRIF@aol.com. This begins the submission process. 2) We will within 24 hours confirm that we have recieved your proposal and renders, and within 72 hours attempt to send back some response, suggestions or even just ask you to go to the next step, which is sending us the files for testing. 3) At this stage we arrange for you to send us the actual files, even if they are in a stage where you may need to make some suggested modifications, so we can begin doing some testing on both our machines for basic usability, since we wish all items in the store to be of only the highest standards of quality for our purchasers. 4) Once the model or contributed project is in a satisfactory condition, you will be contacted by Jack and Ed to work out any details needing still to be worked out, and we will begin moving to getting your product on display in the store :) Here to help in any way I can! Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

It is a great dragon Anton! Good to see you back at it again :) Can't wait to see it when it is textured :) Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

We are working on fixing a few bugs in the store code, and hope to see some improvements very soon for those of you who are in Europe :) Liz

Anton, contact me by email at hbg@kreative.net and I will give you telephone contact info on me, if you wish :) Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

I spent the money on the Poser 3 Handbook, then was so turned off by the renderings that I did not find aesthetically pleasing at all, that I never used it, since I could not quite figure out how to read it with my eyes closed ;P I learned all I know here, and through trial and error and brute force and awkwardness.

Zygote is issuing a new autoinstall type... how to make it work like the old one :) As some of you have noticed, about half of Zygotes executables are now coming out wanting to install to your desktop. You CAN do that and then manually copy each file to its correct folder name and place in Poser. That is just a shit load of work though, isnt it. Ok, here is how to do this right. When you click the executable, and it politely informs you that it is going to install on your desktop, decline the offering and direct it to the ROOT of your Poser folder. For most of us on a PC who installed with default setup that would be a path like this: C:/Program Files/Metacreations/Poser 4 One you have that entered into the dialogue of the new autoinstaller, it installs happy as a clam to your Poser and puts everything where it should live. Hope this helps :) Liz

Ikyoto, I hope you will not leave. I would miss you. It is for people like you that we do work to keep the site growing and want to make it better for. We always knew you cared and appreciated everything, and I have always felt appreciative of your presence and all you contribute to the world. Liz

That is looking great Anton! Keep up the good work! :) I cannot wait to have these wonderful hairstyles :) Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

BBay has merged with Renderosity I believe, Ghost. Bill Bayers of BBay is one of the administrators on this site. Look him up in the members area and click on his name and send him email? Otherwise, I will be happy to help you as much as I may do so. Traveler, Ed and I are handling the online store along with Bill Bayers. Let me know if I can help. Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

Where is the tutorial located Marque? :) Sounds good.

THE STATISTICS DO NOT LIE

Detractors Donations to Freestuff Supporters Donations to Freestuff And for Sale Shaerra 0 Traveler 4 + 1000's 16 PJF 0 PhilC  38 7 mikes 0 nerd 35 1 bazookajoe 0 Fur 1 0 BAM 0 Stormrage 11 2 TazmaniaK 0 clintH 2 5 Allerleirauh 6 pam 13 3 Which happen to be re-mapping, textures, and morphs built upon the Geometry she now DISCREDITS others for using to build upon. These 6 items are GOOD. They were submitted over a 6 month long period it would seem. Perhaps had Alle been working under the motivation of a dollar or two to look forward to, she would have submitted her 6 excellent works inside a month. And by now be up to 36. Davo 8 10 GeorgeD 9 7 Bast 5 groups, many dozen things total in those groups 0 There were of course a few more very lavishly hypercritical detractors, but I grew tired of getting no results on searches of the database so I gave up. If one of you detractors contributed heavily to free stuff and I missed you, apologies are tendered. mobius several models and textures hosted at other sites 2 GRAND TOTALS

  6   126+ 53 For those of you innocents caught in the middle of this tempest in a teapot, I would suggest you bank on the "creators" who choose to support the store, since it is clear that they are also the producers, the sharers, the genuine article, as my granny would have said.

Perhaps it could be the hidden agenda of these people? Maybe you all better send notes of apology and affirmation to Jack and Edarsenal right away? Letters of thanks and encouragement. Letters saying how much you appreciate them and their efforts for you, before the idea of "I am just so tired it would be easier to shut it all down than take this" enters their heads. And the heads of all the working, creating staff who gives you the tit you want to suck dry. I myself am a simpler person of course, than to shut down. Despite various tempests in teapots over the years, I never shut down Cairo. (Though it is to be added it has now been shut down as of last night to be transferred to a new site for any seeking it.) Even when there were cliques of haters around wrecking things for everyone. I am too simple and too pigheaded to ever really shutdown. I just siteban those who make it clear to all that their intent is to be twinks. What is a twink? It is a person who destroys everyone else's good time by taking so much of the staff's time they cannot get their work done, and thus unfairly depriving good people that we are here to work for of our work. Amongst other things. Since this interesting thread has now devolved to yet another way that our clique of haters can blaspheme the workers, I may choose to move it to my forum, The Store Forum, since I was "hired" to handle and wade hip deep into your hatred. The average Poser Fan here is just not interested nor should they have to have their bboard cluttered with it. Hrmm this hate... such animosity toward those who sustain and build your "free" community for you to gain the advantages of. Why do you Allerleirauh feel such venom and spite? And you PJF? And this other venomous person, Shaerra? And you TazmaniaK? Do you believe your acrimony and hatred builds community spirit? Do you believe your slander and libel motivates the creators (and YES, we ARE creators) to go on giving you products for free? Who ARE you really? Willow and friends? No matter who you are, you are in fact the forces of Entropy and World Destruction. I know you. I have for some time been preparing an interesting statistical analysis to privately share with the staff who are feeling a bit down... those who work their fingers to the bones for you for free. Those who have had the audacity to choose to sell their better products to try to support not only this community's overhead costs, but also maybe buy their kids a gallon of milk. I was not in fact going to do anything save send it out to a few who are feeling your hatred and heat, as a cheer up note. Now perhaps it is time instead to think of fighting fire with fire, and publishing my statistics. I will post them in a second posting after this one called STATISTICS. Now. Enough said. I do not have time for this. Nor does anyone here who has the ambition of providing this community with a store run by people you know and stocked by things made by people you know. Allerleirauh, if it will comfort your soul any be assured I will never download anything of yours that you find time and energy to put into free stuff again. I have now deleted the one thing of yours I did choose once to clutter my hard drive with. I am good enough to make my own blasted transparency maps. Really. You wanted a war, you have now got one babe. Take me on. That said, I tender my voluntary resignation to Jack and to Edarsenal if they wish to accept it, since I doubt they need someone who won't take your shit working for them and bringing them even more grief on top of the grief they are getting from you all, and the other massive issues we as staff face in getting this moving. Issues most of you haters are not even aware of nor need to be, since we took the job of doing that worrying and work for you. I won't take your shit. I myself would siteban rather than take shit off twinks. If they do not choose to accept my resignation, I shall go on working on what matters to me, an efficient community of contributors on all levels, staffed by a responsive and capable ecommerce staff, coded to meet your needs, and to provide you with alternatives. Liz Birdsong hbg@kreative.net

Ah but the morphs are indeed "making" a character Allie :) Albeit off pre-existing geometry, but still "making".