The division between Poser and DAZ started a LONG time ago. Before Poser5  was released Curious Labs gave DAZ the option(more like extortion) of porting Vicky(I believe it was V2 at the time but it could have been V3) to their brand spanking new "Face Room" for a huge sum(I believe the rumored fee would have been 100K though that wasn't verified to my knowledge). DAZ passed, and after the P5 release debacle started planing their own AP in response. I see no real difference between Curious Labs freezing DAZ out and the new Genesis figures being DAZ specific..... With the possible exception that DAZ isn't attempting to extort anyone.

You mean I go away for a few years and the annual Barbeque gets cancelled? What do you guys do for fun in the fall now? :)

Perhaps in time for the annual "shooting themselves in the foot" event held in September? :)

Quote - > Quote - Daz isn't dumping Poser, it's saying Smith will have to make changes to its programs to use the V5 figure.

  Oh dear, and that tweak could also expose all other stuff to going wonky in Poser.  Tsk tsk tsk.

So DAZ shouldn't design a more advanced figure/system? They should just cludge together a few tweaks on to V4 call it V5 and be done with it in fear of things going wonky in Poser?

How many times over the years have the myriad of companies that owned Poser changed the program regardless of it's effect on DAZ'S business?

I've been away from the community for some time and it's quite evident coming back that DAZ Studio and Poser have developed in different directions.

When DS was first introduced it was a security blanket for everyone that thought Poser might fold. Now it's a serious ap in it's own right. It's not surprising that as the two aps develop independently more and more product won't cross over.....

It seems Smith has a choice coming, adapt P8 etc. to accept the new DAZ model or develop figures that make everyone jump ship from the DAZ line.......something that hasn't happened since the introduction of V1.

"Heh -- I was totally oblivious to having had such an effect, Jen!  It was strictly unintentional on my part, let me assure you......."

snicker

"Some people can handle the typical give-and-take of a heated debate without batting an eye in the process.  Some people are secure enough in their own skins not to feel personally insulted (and run off pestering the mods about it via IM) when a forum debate opponent starts in with the standardized name-calling, or with the usual tack of questioning the personal motives of their debating partner(s)......... "

Most members of this site don't bother with the forums. Of those that do, most would have no problem with a wide open OT forum where one could speak ones mind. If they were offended by it they would simply stay out. However, a few thin skinned individuals would go running to admin screaming that some horrible poster was being mean to them and instead of telling those few to cowboy up or stay the hell out of there the forum would be closed.  Happened before, it would happen again.

"You'll see less of me in the 'heated' threads from this point forward.  Not because anyone's instructed me to keep out of them (they haven't) -- but frankly: because such hot-topic threads in the Poser forum are -- generally speaking -- a good way to waste of gobs of personal time.  Time which could be much better spent doing something productive."

"Heated threads"? This site hasn't seen a heated thread in many years. Those were banned long ago, along with anyone that refused to embrace the disneyfication.

"So folks, IMO the mods deserve the support of the community.  Even when they do or when they say things that might happen to irritate you.  In no way, shape, or form are you personally belittled -- nor is your life in any way changed for the worse -- because a forum thread gets locked, or because a post gets deleted."

The Mods are quite good at enforcing the TOS. As Ironbear would say, "hearding cats" .

This IS an Art site right? Art, be it graphical or musical in nature, is created by NOT controlling your emotions. By letting your emotions flow freely. Most art is created from turmoil and angst not happy,happy, joy, joy feelings in some disneyesque atmosphere. Don't get me wrong, I understand this site is here to sell things and free expression isn't on the agenda. Hasn't been for many moons. Just though it funny that after a prolonged absence the same arguments are being discussed. Admin wants to draw the reigns tighter and most posters are happy to oblige. snicker

Quote -  I hate it when people just leave without explanations..

I'd recomend getting used to it. Happens all the time around here. Has since I've been a member. Either banned for some offense or pissed off and booked out. 

Whats up Mike. Peng. Funny you go away for a couple years and what do you return to? The same arguments in the same threads. snicker

Quote - Ok, seriously, I didn't want this to be my first post after coming back from being blocked out by my ISP, but here goes.

The Poser forum is not the forum for arguments and debates.  We've tried having OT forums in the past, and they don't work.  If you're feeling the itch to debate, argue, raise hell, or just generally be  a thorn in someone's side, go somewhere else.  It's A. not fair to members who are here to learn to use a program and b. not fair to us moderators who can't afford to sit here all damn day and babysit threads because some people don't know when to walk away.

Regardless, I will be discussing this with the rest of the team later, and, to be honest, if it were up to me, all posts deemed to have the slightest attacking or jerkish undertone to them would be deleted and the poster warned...and you get 3 warnings before banning (check the TOS).

Jeni

 
While it's your opinion the off topic forums didn't work, it's mine that they worked just fine.
I miss the old C&D. Some really good heated discussions there back in the day. It's unfortunate a few thin skinned individuals couldn't take it and had it shut down. Since you're going to discuss the deletion of off topic posts, might I suggest you rid the place of cat picture fests that spring up. Heck, this post isn't exactly on topic about Poser. :) 

Quote - Have you tried hitting the tutorials? Seriously - posing a figure is drop-easy once you get the hang of it, and it doesn;t take much to grok it.

What? And actually pose a figure yourself? Are you mad? ::Snicker::

Gee you guys are talking about a remove foot from mouth mesh? How about a remove lips from ass mesh for some of the but smoochers?

Quote - Spiritbro77 - I would need to borrow her for the night, you know how long this texturing lark can take!!

Well depending on the lady, you might be able to work out a price for that as well. :) You could always try  22 Acacia Avenue :)

Quote - When I first starting exploring AO in Poser I couldn't help but look around at things in real life to see how much AO was visible!

Do you think if I stopped a woman in the street & asked her if I could take a full nude photo of her for a texture resource she'd believe me?

Go to the nearest strip club, ask the girl with the best complexion if she'd be willing to model nude(if she says no go to the next best), settle on a price and Bob's your uncle, you got your texture model. That's the easy part. Lighting her properly would be the tough part IMO.

Quote - Yes, Karen, DON'T lock the thread. It is usefully letting off a lot of steam that would show up elsewhere.

We said the same thing about the old C&D froum before they closed it. No one listened.

good guess but no cigar :)