the forums are pretty instantanious and the galleries not far behind. not much of a speed prob here.

billy

not sure if i'm still in time to enter but here goes

billy                         ANOTHER MOVE

by

william marsland

 
Wrapped in a smell
of new warm leather

a triggered memory...

holding my hand flat
shielding eye's from
sun's evening glare
 
it reflects
off the pristine chromed bumper
targeting my exposed iris

WOLSLEY/Vanden Plas

metallic lettering
shrouded silver
proud, ominous, climbing
from the buffed perfection
of olive green

a loose skinned
liver spotted hand
mottled, creased
exerts a bony pressure
i hear the mechanism adjust
it smashes into my reality
 
the rear door opens

I climb into
huge, so huge

the cavernous space
engulfs as stitched leather panels
hot to hands and knees
stick and burn bare skin

the door clunks shut behind

in front
two oblivious adults

the radio is switched on
conversation still audible
talk of foster parents
adoption
better life
spoken in whispers

fingering a worn marble
in pants pocket
I turn my face
let cheek
rest against smooth tanned hide
breathe deep
and expel a silent sob

what say we all start posting some serous comments about the site in order to disrupt the thread lmao  (this is to be taken in a non-serious manner)

billy

well done and congrats gog_ca1

billy

on the other side of the world from my home but saw i had an im to vote..hope im in time.
must say there was some great work put up well done everyone

dotty .........           3 points
Gog_CA1 .....  2 points
bpclarke .....    1 points

billy

thats what i said stacey.

either with a comment or without comment as an added choice.
i was just trying to find some kind of common ground that would suite all

billy

Quote - i hope my post was  productive, non attacking and non disruptive. if it was deemed otherwise i apologise.  please feel free to delete it if that was the case. that said what do you think about the suggestion. re dinhi's original suggestion.

a simple box or three would suffice in proflies. 

do you want to be placed on another members fave list

[ ] allow without coment
[ ] allow with coment
[ ] do not allow

how hard would it be to do. this way it wouldn't hurt anyone.   jmo

billy

the above would be the artists choice. and it would apply tp their gallery it would have nothing tp do with who could and could noy view the artists gallery. sorry sandcastie but i;m at a loss as to where anyone thought i suggested anything else. not trying to open up a discourse here, just trying to make the suggestion more understandable

billy

Quote - Okay, we're all artists, and we think of the site in that way.  It is an art site, and art is meant to be viewed.  Can a member not be just someone who likes to view the art?

I don't remember having to reproduce a picture on a matchbook to get in here.  If I were not an artist I would have no contributions, except for the greatest contribution, viewing the art.

In all things, not just art, perspective is important.

John

who would be stopped from viewing any images? that was never suggested

billy

Quote - I'm uncomfortable with the idea that people who don't post images should be treated differently.

Just looking at it on a practical basis, I can't see why using the Favourites feature would be an indicator of potential theft. If I wanted to steal something, why wouldn't I just save it at the time?

How about if members had the function to say whether they allowed favouriting on a case-by-case basis?
Like when you upload:
Allow viewers to make comments on this image? (Crit, Non-Crit, Both)
Allow viewers to rate this image? Y/N
Allow viewers to add this image to their favourites? Y/N

if your a harvester you would do as you say ....and then put that artist on your fave lists to save time in harvesting later on , you just click on your fave lists artists and see whats new.

and case on case would be better depending on what the default status would be. would it be uploadable or unloadable to fave lists.

how would anyone be treated differently if the artist chose when they joined?  it can't be the having to post or be active before you can download cos again that would be the same for everyone wou'ldn't it.?

billy

i hope my post was  productive, non attacking and non disruptive. if it was deemed otherwise i apologise.  please feel free to delete it if that was the case. that said what do you think about the suggestion. re dinhi's original suggestion.

a simple box or three would suffice in proflies. 

do you want to be placed on another members fave list

[ ] allow without coment
[ ] allow with coment
[ ] do not allow

how hard would it be to do. this way it wouldn't hurt anyone.   jmo

billy

good idea arcadia, being an active member can mean as little as posting x amount of times in a forum. this wouldn't of course stop visitors from grabbing images but then what could.

and i can umderstand and agree with in main to what dinhi is saying. it's obivious (and note the non mentioning of any named person) that harvesting does go on here. to say otherwise would show naivity. i think. that said,  if something can be implimented to curtail it why not. i can't see it hurting anyone.

a simple box or three would suffice in proflies. 

do you want to be place on another members fave list

allow without coment
allow with coment
do not allow

how hard would it be to do. this way it wouldn't hurt anyone.   jmo

billy

Quote - I think EVERYONE will agree that there is NO 100% way to stop this.....You have been heard countless times....we agree!
But what I don't understand is why everybody is objecting to implementation of even the most BASIC measures.

I will now do as hawkfyr would say...."now pulls up comfy chair......"

who's objecting..i agree with you gradient. and the person responsible for the implimentation of those basic methods is us the people who post the image. we can all do what you ask rendo to do and those that can't can ask for help. for water makrs all we need is a program that has layers. i'm sure theyr'e some open source ones out there. if someone wants me to i'll even do the google for them and show the url. they then create a little pic or their name or an url. trun down the transparency and copy and poste it to their image. if they can do a thumbnails they can resize their pics tp small sizes so it's not as inviting as large pic. they can keep a record of the site or sites they posted it on. they can even link a small watermarked pic to a site they created and implement the right click there without having to get a rendo account, as of yet all thats been mentioned can and should be done by the individual members themselves all of it is possible to do so and should i show any image i thought some of these basic things would stop from being stolen i'd impliment them myself 

billy

thanks for the generosity, it seems you made a lot of people happy, including me.

billy

the thing with the password protection is this.  some people join rendo and sites like it to steal images. they join here in one name and somewhere else to show the work in another. i'm a member of a torrent site but in the same name i use here cos i use it for legitimate reasons.  i can tell you now that everything rendo, daz and ef sells can be had there. it can be had at any torrent site. if the mult inational companies can't stop this theft what makes anyone think rendo can. all you can do is complain with a c and desist personally. no one has to take an image down untill the owner asks them to. mtv are in the process of sueing youtube for 1 billion. youtube say sorry but we follow the law, you tell us its your work and we'll take it down. i'm pretty sure mtv will lose cos youtube has an history of removing areticles en masse if it's asked to. untill a new law is made or the old ones changed your work will be stolen. even then it will still be stolen. copyright theft etc being wrong should be taught at grassroots level in the schools. bigger penalties should be handed out to joe public. anti copyright police should be used where possible with 10% of fines and awards going to funding them. if teenagers do it then fine the parents and the list goes on and on. don't expect rendo to do your work for you though thats a cop out. rendo have a copyright forum wit all the info anyone needs. if you ask a question about c/r you'll usually get a reasonable answer. rendo is not your business manager or your mom. it's not here to make sure your images don't get stolen. 

the right click thing...they tried it and people complained. this has been stated many many times. rendo has a search function. type in right click, type in water mark, type in stolen images and you'll get all the info you need.  suggestions are always good, i asked for a suggestions forum which i think is being looked into.  now i'm rambling. so i'll stop

billy

what would you like the rendo admin to do.

what do you think they can do.

do you think the police can stop your house from being robbed or people from being raped or mugged. it's impossible for rendo to stop people stealing images from here and that goes for any other site. the sad fact is there is basically no way to stop an image from being stolen once you put it on the net. 

just think of this and all other sites as a car park on the web. park here at your own risk and always remember the managment are not responsibla or liable for any loss theft or damage to any items left in your car.  they will however assist you as much as they can when possible. (but they are not obliged to) 

billy