Legume, You are a most arrogant man. I have no personal agenda..I could care less. Delete me if you wish...I will not reregister. And that was not my point to begin with. I came here to see the responses of the PFO possibly closing. I got the answers I needed. I never claimed that the PFO was innocent...but you have definitely proven your guilt in these roles. Members of this site kept asking for proof...so I have pointed out the things I have noticed..that your site came with a built in database...and the pointless redirect from the poserforum. I wish you luck. And I hope that you will find a way to promote this site legitimately. Laters.

shakes head I have never seen so many people in denial of what they are doing. I have no qualms with this site...what it does...other than...you are deceiving the public. .com, .net, .org, .whogivesashit. The poserforum is associated with the other group...was long before you came along...long before edgenet or Jack came alone. You are hurting your credibility by using the redirect. You know it is associated with the other group...and you are using it lure people here instead of building this site on your own merit. I don't post my artwork over there either...and I rarely post to either forum unless I see something just fabulous...or outrageous...which this discussion is becoming. And with the last comment you are admitting that this is a "for profit" site...and that your main goal here is to make money...and not the users or their artwork. Is that what you wanted to portray??

Roy, You do a great job with the software..and this forum..I have no quibbles about that. I'm glad you own the name. Like I said....no one cares about the domain name...who owns it...who gets it..at least not members who are here to do art. However, you are using it as a redirect to Renderosity.com...you are deceiving those who have heard about the PFO and are trying to get there...you are deceiving those who use the link in Poser. You believe in this site?? Take the redirect down...let it stand on it's own. I have no doubt this site will do great without the redirect. And it will increase the credibility of this site threefold. Tammie

chuckles Legume..you are just chopping at the bit to delete me...but yet....according to the high law you have set...you can't without my "written permission". Ya know...all the feuding between the two forums could be solved so simply. 1. Take down the redirect...(the issue over who owns the name is between Willow and Jack...by leaving it up...Jack is causing the trouble.) Let Renderosity stand on its on feet. 2. Simply send an email to all on the database telling them that the next time they come to this forum...that they will have to re-register due to a desire of updating your database and ending any hostilites about this forum. In a week you would know what your true membership was...and if you have 10,000...then that is wonderful. The reason I posted the first time to this thread was that everyone was hollering...if Jack was doing wrong...then prove it...well...there is the proof folks. It may not get him the death penalty...but it degrades his credibilty tremendously. I will go back to just browsing through the artwork and quit posting here...just wanted to give a word of advice. Yes..I know that forums can become very personal..and that you make lots of friends on them...and they begin to feel like home at times....but you are artists...always be cautious and alert when it comes to your artwork...where you post it...find out about the people behind the forum you are posting too...read the Terms of Service (remember..Yahoo/Geocities trying to pull a fast one not too long ago)....protect yourselves...cause most likely those people that run these and other forums...will never do it for you. Tammie

Storm...I have no problems with you. I just like looking at good art. I very rarely post on any forum but the Sci Fi Forums...which seems to have a fairly mature set of people on it. My post was not to Legume...but he chose to get into it...so I have posted replies. This will be my last post here...and like many others such as Pan..I will quit posting anywhere but the Sci Fi Forums...but everyone here needs to take a good look around..and see what is truly being done. Next time...it may be this forum that you guys love so much that goes down.

Legume... that is totally backwards. If you were the great site you claim to be...then you would have had everyone resign up...that way...you would know that your membership was true and not stolen. That is the biggest cop out I have ever heard...and just proves the points I made earlier. When this site was taken over...the database should have been deleted..and no one should be registered here without their written consent. Your database may be over 10,000...but it is not because you have had 10,000 people come to this site since it was taken over and have chosen to register here. It is because you stole the database of the PFO and did not delete it. Tammie

Does this site need to be censored? No...but it definitely needs an adult check on it...and I think I will report it to the proper authorities. You guys are the most immature bunch I have seen. Jack. You are wrong...and you know it. If you are such the big man you make yourself out to be....then take the www.poserforum.com down and quit making it a redirect. No body cares what you do with it...give it to them...sell it to them...but you using it in any form is wrong...and you and all the members of this forum know it. You didn't create the original forum...and you are using it to your advantage. If this forum is "all that and the bag of chips" you claim it to be...then stand on your own feet with the "renderosity.com" link and get over it. If you think you are getting a lot of new users out of this...you are wrong....and your claim of having 10,000 members or whatever is wrong too..and you know that. You are still using the names of the people who originally came to this site. And I can prove that...I never signed up for renderosity.com...but here I am posting. How ya figure that? You are capitalizing on something you didn't create...had no input in...and did no work on. I am not a huge fan of the PFO...but I am even less of a fan of Renderosity.com. This site is built on disceet and if you need the proof...just type in www.poserforum.com and watch the redirect to this site. That's all the proof you need. You are all so proud...and I am sure there are some fine artists here....but if you are so proud of it...then stand on your own feet...and not the PFOs. Tammie

Apology accepted Joshua...but it did look like you were going off on me. Discussion over. G Jeff...I do have a question..and a request. I have Corel PP8...but have not used it much..have never seemed to get the hang of it as I did PSP. YOu said this pic was rendered in sections..and then assembled in PP8. I think that is incredible. Do you have any tutorials with PP8...or would you have time to do one and show us dummies something about PP8. Most people use Photoshop..and I have never found many tutorials on pp8. Thanks, Tammie

Joshua, Sorry bout my being late responding to this..but your post was just pointed out to me. First off...I think Jeff is a wonderful artist..and his talent is just incredible. The picture is beautiful. I do not have 17th century attitudes..and if I did..it wouldn't be any of your business to begin with. I apologized to Jeff for my little rant on him...I was having a bad day..and didn't take the picture as it was meant...as a fantasy story. Nudity does have it place in some pictures...but not in everything...and if you take a look around these forums...you will see that 75% of the pictures have some form of a naked woman in them. And that is demeaning in that...the impression is given that women should only be admired for their form...or their bare breats. (Jeff..I know this is not what your intent was...so I apologize for doing this in your thread). I have seen some beautiful images on this forum...some with nudity...some not. However..I tend to be more impressed when a picture can make great impact without the nudity. Jeff has that kind of talent...and the above picture would be just as beautiful if the lady had a bra type top on...and I was just trying to point that out to him. However as Jeff pointed out. I didn't know the whole story behind his character...and now I see why she is partially nude. I felt bad about the way I put it..and I apologized to him...because he such a great artist..and I have a great respect for his work. However...I won't apologize to you in any way. Read the threads before you post...the whole thread. Tammie

I understand Jeff...and no problem. I didn't mean to offend. I have just seen so much of that around the forums...naked women...even if they just want to show off an eyebrow morph....they show naked breasts. I realize that sexuality is a big draw with pictures....but you do such beautiful work...and you make great impact without it. Guess I was just trying to make a point around here..and took it out on your pic. I apologize.

The picture is well done...depth good...nice flames...good colors...very well done. However it is sexist and demeaning to women. My opinion of course. The pic would have been just as effective with a bikini top on her. Cartoon or fantasy ...whatever name you want to give it. The nudity is demeaning and totally unnecessary. tmoss

Thanks Autoloader. You are the best!!!!!! huge hugs

Thanks Autoloader. The thing was really cool...and I couldn't remember if he was going to post a tutorial..or the actual object. People were talking that it would make a cool wormhole in a space scene. sighs I am looking everywhere for it too. L But thanks for you help!!! Tammie

Thanks guys. The excalibur is a beautiful mesh..and I plan to do a very extensive image in Bryce with it. G huggles Radart Visited your site. Very nice. G

I'm from Owensboro, Kentucky. G My grandparents live on Barkley Lake. G huge hugs Tammie