Can someone clearify this for me?

If morphs have to be original in order to distribute a new character based on Vic3, how is that possible since every morph for Vic3 that could possible be created is already done by Daz in the morph package that you can buy for her?

Yet on the other hand "no amount of Daz morphs, however small, can be used to create characters for sale or distribution in any form" is correct then how are new characters based on the Vic3 model created?

First: Eventhough V3 contains a helluvalotta morphs, there are still a lot she does NOT contain. The Wolf face for one :o) Second: You can not distribute a cr2 of V3 but you can distribute - and sell - stuff like MOR poses. This is the way to make a new character for V3.

Hmm..Im new to Poser too, and I have a question that has been bugging me since getting the program..Now I know you cannot sell the cr2's but what about images you create using the Vicki character? Can I, for instance create a landscape scene with the Poser character in it, and sell that image? Thanks! ~Jani

MariByTheSea: ernyoka1 is right. There's a lot of room for improvements in V3. There are several custom characters available for V3 that use none of her native morphs. Trixie by Dave71 comes to mind. As with any DAZ figure, you CAN create a character using DAZ/Zygote native morphs and sell the MOR or INJ pose, because those only save dial settings, not the morphs themselves. And if you use only V1, M1, or Steph native morphs, or your own custom Vic, Mike, or Steph morphs, DAZ has available distributable CR2s that you can set up your character on and sell. Those require that the purchaser already have the base mesh installed. There is no distributable CR2 for V3. jumpstartme2: Yes, as long as everything contained in the scene is licensed for commercial renders. Freestuff sometimes specifies non-commercial use only. USUALLY anything you purchase, and certainly anything purchased at Renderosity, is licensed for commercial RENDERS.

We are talking about several different things here, so lets try to clear the confusion: cr2's are generally OK to distribute, since they usually refer to a obj file that is needed for the receiver to use the cr2. Hence no risk of unauthorized use of the cr2. If you don't own the product, you don't have the obj file and you can't use the cr2. The exception is cr2's that is the actual product, like Vicky 2 and Michael 2. Distributing a Vicky 2 cr2 would allow Vicky 1 owners to use Vicky 2 morphs, since Vicky 1 and 2 uses the same obj file. See the FAQ page at DAZ for guidelines on distribution of these products. The DAZ Vicky 3 morphs are products in themselves. So distribution of them is of course a no-no, even to users who owns V3. But to make a character using settings of DAZ Vicky 3 morphs is another thing. Settings can be distributed as long as you don't distribute the actual morphs. Settings are just a number used to set the morph dial. There is a great utility from DAZ, Injection Pose Builder ($1.99 in the Platinum Club), that allows you to create a Pose file that automatically injects the necessary morphs to V3 and applies the settings. With this method, you can create a V3 character and distribute it as a Pose file. No legal problems, since the user needs to own the necessary morphs for the Pose file to work! The actual morphs are not included in the file. Renders of Vicky 3 (or anything else for that matter) is just a graphical representation of the product and is usually OK to distribute. As gildedgecko points out, some products might have restrictions on commercial use in renders. I do however question the legal validity of such restrictions, but here it's more a question of respecting the wishes of the creator. Especially of it's a free item! Hope this makes it somewhat clearer, or did I just make it even more confusing? ;-)

It does occur to me that if only Daz had sold V3 with all the morphs as an item, as with V2, this problem wouldn't arise. I cannot see any benefit to the consumer to Daz's approach, as V3 without the morphs is pretty useless.

Agreed... I doubt that DAZ expects that anyone would buy a blank V3 without adding the morphs. One of the reasons to split V3 into several packages might have been a file size issue, a complete package with all face and body morphs would have been an installer weighing in at more than 50 Mb...

I think you will find that Stephanie CR2s are non-distributable if they have not had the morphs removed, like v2/m2 ones. There is a distributable blank V3 that can be used as a carrier for non-DAZ morphs (created with magnets or in a 3d modelling app) if you wish.

True. There is a Stephanie LE version that is distributable, the straight Stephanie CR2 is not. But the LE version contains pretty much all the morphs that the full version contains, I haven't found any that are missing. I've used the LE version, in conjunction with cusom morphs, with my character Marcelia. She comes with a ready-to-load CR2, custom morphs already loaded and her native dials already set. I looked over at DAZ on the V3 CR2 thing, and you're right, RHaseltine. "It is also possible to distribute a Victoria 3 CR2 file containing ONLY your custom morph information." I emailed to ask back in late September when V3 was first released, and I was told no. Hmmm. Gotta keep up with this stuff :-) Looking at that FAQ, I'm suspecting now that they might have misunderstood my question. Thanks :-)

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Interesting.. I wonder when they added that text (do you have a link to where it is?). I was researching this a few weeks ago (see link) and didn't see any text to that effect on thier site, but when I called them and suggested how it shouldn't be a problem, they agreed and said that you could (distribute a V3 .cr2 as long as it had no morphs in it).

Yep. Have it right here in my history menu...somewhere... here it is: http://www.daz3d.com/support/index.php?id=14 The quoted sentence is in the second paragraph of item 2) under "Morphs - Ways to distribute your morphs for Victoria 3" The next sentence recommends using delta injection poses instead of CR2s though. I was surprised, too, Spanki. I can't get the hang of custom deltas, so I've been sitting on a few characters 'cause I didn't think I could do anything with them. As a buyer, I prefer the INJ poses because the download file size is smaller. Gonna keep trying, and the thread you linked might help! Thanks for posting it. I would have missed it otherwise :-)

Thanks for that link... I don't know if that page was there before, but I never found it when I went a lookin'. ;).

Glamorous Vicki, for one, is perfectly usable without any of the V3 morph packages. She has a set of morphs that make her into GV, and also other that give variations on that form. None of them are DAZ morphs, all of the GV ones span parts, so they must be used as a set. I do include a injector of some of the DAZ morphs that work especially well with her, but she can live without them. She also come with all the morphs fitted in her CR2, as this seemed like the best way when I did her, for the very least it means all of her morphs are at the top of the dials. ;-)