I have notice for quite a while some the nice images that kenwas, erka and raffyraffy, just using these members pictures for example of what I am getting at. How do you get the deep depth look in an image these members don't seem to have a problem getting. Is there camera settings or some little tricks that would help one get this effect. Some the models and objects are so small in the bakground but still look so real. How is this done. Is there any tutorials I have missed on doing this. Any help would be very much appreciated as I have tryed and tryed but can never get this effect. :o) If it is little tricks or secrets that none want to give, I understand. :o)

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Thanks, I have read those so many times. It is something I am missing. Most those are for atmosphere and how to get those effects. It is the distance effects I haven't found a tutorial that has settings for cameras or what ever it is I am looking for. Would like to see in a picture tutorial the settings of terrians, objects and camera. Guess I am looking for a tutorial with step by step from beginning to end of the various steps to put one those images like those users that are so good at it are doing. Hard to explain what I am looking for but hope someone will understand. For atmoshere, mood and alpha planes those links you gave me are some the best to be found anywhere. erka and Thomas are excellent with giving good instructions in their tutorials.

Did you look at the scenes available on the Contents CD ? If you have Vue Pro, Erka's scene 'Pra Nang' and some excellent scenes by Thomas and Pascal Marie are there. If you have Vue 4, check out 'Encantatas' and 'gompa' under 'Sample 1'. Just open a new session of Vue and click on ' Load an existing scene from disk'. I have learned a lot about atmosphere and camera settings from these sample scenes. Be careful though - these scenes are for study only :) You can't just change the color of a sky, a point of vue, and call it your own.... but I assume you know that already.

I have looked at those also, but will look again and see if I am missing something that I am overlooking. For a beginner and someone that is not a talented artist it is hard to do things sometimes as others unless one sees how it is done. I learn by seeing and then putting that into practise. Thanks agiel you have been helpful and refreshed my mind to go back over a few things I may have missed what it is I am looking for. :o)

Something you can do is start from one of these sample scenes and delete everything except the camera. Then add your own atmosphere, your own objects and see how the camera affects them. Scale is very important in Vue. There is no scale system per se, so it is very easy to get things scaled incorrectly. For example, you will need to get proportions of objects right compared to the camera settings. Similarly, you will need to adjust the camera settings if you want to have a good view of the clouds. And dont forget the three little tabs above the preview picture. Some settings are hidden behind one of these tags. Maybe that is what you were missing.

Now ....you are gettting at what I am looking for. Scale examples from people who are capable of doing these types of scenes. Camera settings and how they effect the view. Would like to see examples in real pictures like a tutorial. How the different settings effect the different views. How they get those small objects to show so clear but so far away. It is like the objects are miles and miles away but you still know what they are. Is this making any sensce at all to the ones who are reading this. I will luck on what I am trying to accomplish sooner or later and it will proably be so simple once I see it done in pictures or a tutorial. I have seen a couple new things that will help me from those sample scenes that I hadn't noticed before so maybe I need to keep going back to them for awhile untill someone sees what it is I am after. :) Thanks agiel you have been most helpful. :o)

iloco, i am not exactly sure what you mean, but my guess is that you are talking about clarity of render. Personaly i don't know of any big "secrets" or magic tricks, and i think i covered the basis of my lighting techniques in the bridge tutorial. Still, to sum up things, here are a few points to take into consideration if you're after a sharp render: 1) Haze is a bit of a catch. It is haze that gives the feeling of distance, and separates near from far, but overused, it becomes a definite picture spoiler. My advice, use the least amount of haze to give a distance feeling, not a drop more. 2) Watch that ambient light slider. If you can, use 100% diffuse and create the ambience with extra lights. 3) Shadow defines contours. Light coming from the direction of the camera or from strait above usualy flattens the image. Try using low angle sunlight or backlight. 4) I make the final render in "ultra" (Vue4) or "superior" (Vue Pro). All the lesser settings simply do not have enough antialiasing power. 5) A bit of color and levels correction in Photoshop or PSP will further enhance contrast. This is about all i can think of in this matter. I hope it helps :)

Now I am beginning to piece it together with what you have added erka. To some this may not seem like much but it helps me see a few things I had not thought about and was over looking. Thanks because every little bit helps. :O)