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Other reasons for finding nudes difficult: all the faults with the model and limitations of Poser rigging are exposed to the full. Its very difficult to reduce these faults in the image - at least for me.

One thing that does bother me in some pictures is the lack of attention to how a human body moves and bends. I know that there aren't enough bones to get it quite right but I've seen a great many broken spines, necks and shoulders.

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g I wouldn't technically call that bestiality, but I think that's pretty dang creative!!

I know that there aren't enough bones to get it quite right but I've seen a great many broken spines, necks and shoulders. And splayed fingers!

"g I wouldn't technically call that bestiality..." ...me either, but I thought more people would look if I added that ;). BTW, did I mention it also adds elven elements?! And ponies??!! (not pink ones though) Thanks for the comment ;).

"One of the co-authors of the bill, Republican Corbin Van Arsdale, said many parents want restrictions because they go to Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field, not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines.There is a lack of old fashioned morality, the morality you and I grew up with, said state Representative Carl Isett."

Ahhh, yes. He must be referring to the "Old Fashioned" morality of... 'violence/good', 'sexuality/bad'.

If it makes you blush, then it must be EVIL!!!

LOL. ;-) God bless these old perverts in politics who try to surpress their urges with useless legislation. ;-) Message edited on: 05/04/2005 14:36

Oh yes, splayed fingers, I almost forgot about them. Hands are difficult, I uses Firebirdz hand poses alot - they are real time savers and look great!

Please...that's not the worst thing you could post in this gallery... M3 and Furrette in a "intimate" situation would probably make people's heads explode. Including mine. headexplodey

After all, M3 might be wearing one of Daio's cat-people skins, that wouldn't be so bad. David and Spuggles on the other hand ... (yes, I have seen it. Please don't ask. ::shudder::)

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When I came and posted I wanted desperately to "fit in" and be an artist that got hundreds of comments etc. So of course looking around at the people who got hundreds of comments 99 percent of the time had nudity in their images. So I started making images with nudity... it was empty.. I don't consider V3 naked in a temple art. And I have learned a lesson. I have made poems etc and I realize that I haven't gotten much of anything just because I dont have the NUDITY sign up and just because I dont have huge breasts in the images that go with the poems. Even though I dont get all the comments I hope for I feel alot better posting something that has a lot more meaning than a V3 with breasts as big as me... I am not against nudity at all.. its just that Poser 5 nudity is sorta getting annoying. Poser users (including myself) only have to click buttons while people work their lives to figure out proportions! (Which I am still working on!) Please don't flame me! Just giving my young opinion! Have a nice day!

"they go to Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field, not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines." Oh nooooo!, gays again!

Can't understand. People not liking nudity does seem to be the very first one to go seeing thumbs showing nudity. Why? During the centuries we have had wonderful nudes which are real pieces of art, and those weren't perverted people, but artists. Yes, I know someone wouldn't show at all the wonderful Donatello's statue out of Uffizi at Florence because is a nude man (oh gosh what!?), but if the freedom is really freedom let me say this is ignorance. Nothing is wrong with nudity, other things are much more vulgars. Anyway, when I see thumbs showing things I don't like (violence for example) I don't go seeing. If I see a thumb just showing big tits I don't go neither because I know what I will see. Why you people are going to see these thumbs? Really is not to accusing anyone, but thumbs are like a preview, and is up to each of you deciding to go seeing or not. And I can't trust those coming to say they go to see what's showing because they want to know if their children can go seeing too or not. Do not use any email programs then, because what you get in emails is much more worste.

Actually, I find images of banana and cucumbers terribly suggestive. And DON'T talk to be about kiwi fruit! Disgusting! One: don't like nudes, don't look. There's a flag and it's used 99% of the time by the people when they upload. Two: You let your kids surf here, you're responsible for what they see. It's called parenting. I don't have kids. I have dogs. They can look at anything they like here. Three: This IS a porn site. Just like National Geographic is porn. Just like the House of Represenatives on cable T.V. is porn. ... all of it, to someone. If someone gets their jollys looking at something, then it's porn to them. It's art, good or bad, to the rest of us. Four: Have a problem with a gallery image? Then why not leave a helpful (stressing the word here) comment and tell them how to improve the IMAGE? Not the content, the quality of the image. Content is there to get a reaction. Can't say something helpful, then don't look at that artist's work anymore. Five: Some of the best renders I've seen are NVINTWAS. I don't care for female figures myself, but the pics were beautiful and exciting. At least to me. Now, if you'll excuse me. I gotta get more popcorn and melt more butter (hmmm....butter...). Anyone want to start a pool on when the thread gets locked?

Some of the best renders I've seen are NVINTWAS. Yeah, but the issue here is that she could be doing something with the sword that puts it a tad beyond the realm of most NVIATWAS art and into the questionable gray area. THAT is my main objection, and the main reason I say that some of the content is not suitable for a "family friendly" site.

Deecey, See items one through five above. If it's completly "family freindly", then you have to decide who's family and how friendly. The highest "moral" compass? Then watch the traffic decline to the site by leaps and bounds. Besides, who's morality? And grey is a pretty color too. If this is a "family values" site, then ban everything but Cinderella pictures with no low cut gowns. About 4/5 or more of the traffic would go away. NVIAT is one of the big draws to the site. If this is an art site that allows people to filter out nudity and violence, then leave it alone and let the poor small business make money. It's only "family friendly" when a parent takes responsibility for what their children view on the 'net. The 'sity has some pretty good controls. They've already gone overboard on the kiddy porn issue to please some people who see child porn in innocent fae pictures. Now, are some of the pics bad? Yeah. Some are pretty bad. Bad lighting. Stiff posing. Bad choice of textures or poke through on clothing. Are some controversial? Sure. They're marked for nudity or violence. If you see one that should be and isn't, notify the mods and it will be. Sometimes one will be posted that's in violation of teh TOS. The mods will catch it. If they don't, let them know it's there and they'll make a decision that half of the members won't agree with anyway. That's their job. To make those decisions and take the heat. I don't always (as in seldom) agree with their decisions, but I respect them for being able to make them. The controversial should be here if this place is an art site. The bad should be here to let others provide the advice to make it better. The flags should be here to provide the tools for parents or prudes to control their viewing. Gee. Looks likes it's all in place.

They've already gone overboard on the kiddy porn issue to please some people who see child porn in innocent fae pictures. Yes, I agree there as well.

I agree as well

Faries= Pedo fodder. 'Nuff said.

I have had one clearly adult female in a completely non-sexual nude pose (my background is as an antomy and life drawing teacher) yanked for TOS because of small breast size. It was a standing pose as you would find in any unversity drawing class. I did not apeal or complain since I don't pay the bills around here (beyond my share of excessive MP purchasing binges). Yet, I have had to stick big saggy breasts on to all my figures out of prudence though I actually have a formal (and yes aesthtic) preference for smaller breasts on women... I am curious about all this pedophelia mania... I am in my thirties yet for the life of me I can not imagine someone in their twenties in a sexual way, they are babies relatively speaking... it would be too creepy. Don't pedophile prefer the Sears catalog or something? Don't they have their own sites served out of Holand or Saudia Arabia or somewhere other than UTAH? Speaking of Utah, isn't it legal in most of the US to use sexualy children of an age at which it is illegal to draw them nude given the age of consent ranges from 12-13 years old in the US South to 16 in the rest of the country? Puzzling. An american can purchase a Filopino child of 15-16 for a "bride" legaly but can not create a virtual image of a forty year old pretending to be 17? But what do I know... is this perception of mine accurate?

Wait, you can get images pulled because of SMALL BREAST SIZE? XDXDXDXDXD I should be guilty of that...

Wow! I've never started a string that went this far. Guess I hit a topic on others minds. So I'm understood here: I am not opposed to nudity in art. I'm oposed to nudity for nudities sake. Above my desk is a Salvadore Dahli print with a nude or 2. Nor am I opposed to violent scenes. Blood and gore meant to disgust the viewer is what I'm refering too. Stuff like a future mass murderer might do. I think there must be sites for that stuff. Or maybe an available room in an institution somewhere. I've enjoyed reading everyones responses. Thanks, I've learned a lot about how others view this topic.

The problem is that Rendo tries to satisfy totalitarian people with democratic means. The religious nutjobs and "safe the children" handwringers will NEVER be happy with a compromise. They were brainwashed since childhood into self-denial, so anyone NOT submitting himself to their skewed views is questioning the core of their very existence. And of course they CANNOT allow their own children to accept nudity as somethng perfectly healthy and normal, because this would also mean that they would have to admit that THEIR OWN parents, teachers and everone else of their peers who taught them that the body is something BAD was horribly WRONG and litterally killed part of their existence as a human beeing. Once you realize that they in fact DEMAND TOLERANCE for their own INTOLERANCE, you'll come to the conclusion that you cannot negotiate with them, as otherwise they will take away your freedom little by little, step by step. Rendo itself now is caught between Vickys boobs and a hard place, but at least it will be interresting to watch how things develop. ;-) stahlratte

momodot, I have had one clearly adult female in a completely non-sexual nude pose (my background is as an antomy and life drawing teacher) yanked for TOS because of small breast size. Please could you expand on that? The records do not show any images of yours being removed, ever. And our system automatically records removals, so I am concerned that there is something awry somewhere. We have explained again and again that we do not automatically consider small-breasted women to be underage. I am concerned that this myth is being perpetuated. I really don't want this to be responsible for an increase in over-endowed, back-breaking, gravity-defying silicon jobs in the galleries... Thanks, Karen Poser Moderator

It was an image posted in early 2000 when I posted my first Poser 3 renders. I do not know when it was pulled as I recieved no notification. I simply found it missing when checking on my Homepage for the first time recently. I realy have no problem with the policy or TOS and I do understand that we must be tolerent of the individual judgments of moderators who are attempting to keep the site going in line with policy. I simply do not understand the need of people to post material on a site that has policy against it... there are sites such as RaunchyMinds (I think that is the name) that have entirly different TOS and policy where the images might be welcome. Since 2000 I have not posted to the Galleries but only to the forum threads concering technical matters. This TOS issue is a matter of the times, a culture that is more concerned with keeping men from men marying men and women marrying woman then Asian and South American slaves working in their local restaurants and massage parlors or uncounted colateraly damage in Police Actions abroad or the US rejection of the Geneva Convention. More concerned with chalenging images of the young then the sometimes aweful realties for some young people. Recently my mother, a consultant to art organizations on the matter of web design and web accessible databases, advised me to request the removal of several works from a web exhibition someone had made of my traditional media work because although the paintings of small breasted models clearly had no percieved age issue, the thumbnails linking to them had the potential for age confusion... remove them I did. The issue with the image here at Renderosity was that it had not occured to me, the image being a representation of an actual individual, a model of 29 years, that there could be any problem, this was inocent of me. Maybe since I recieved no notice this was simply a technical glitch due to the long ago posting of the image. I certainly do not wish to impune you or your procedures, it is only sermise on my part that the breasts were the issue as I can't see anything else problematic about the image in retrospect... the figure was an amputee wearing prosthetic legs, and her hair was one of those long on top draped down over a shaved sides and back... maybe this was a teen haircut, maybe my work with the P3 face was inept. Anyway, in retrospect here, it is wrong on my part to suggest this was a TOS issue when I don't know that and it may have been a glitch in the file keeping (the text and ratings were intact but the images was gone). Yet, this has along with other maters caused me to fake large breasts and heavy pubic hair on figures that are in reality flat chested and brazilianed persons. Again, I would not like to suggest your TOS enforcement is capriscious, or beyond your right. I believe you are all well intentioned, my problem is the greater society, a society where I everyday see grade school girls in the viel because it is suposed that men must be protected from the indecent impulses they suppose they would have in seeing a childs hair, and the right makes a vadeta against artists doing serious work while giving true sexual abusers house arrest sentences. Yet we must live in our times and accept the measures we must take, Renderosity has a right to act in its interest or on its managements convictions. My problem isn't here, it is with a group that does not belive in civil liberties and turns out 3 million votes just to attack same sex mariage but often in my experience act in contridiction to true christian values and take a casual attitude toward true perpetrators of crimes and abuses. However, I am truly moved by people who truly live true Christian values... I may be Homer Simpson but I certainly wish I was Ned Flanders. This is all OT. but Karen, I hope you accept my appolgy.

"Faries= Pedo fodder. 'Nuff said." You are joking, right? ;) Right?..... RIGHT??????? :0

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Thanks for clearing that up, momodot - also just to let you and everyone else know, if we remove an image of yours, you ALWAYS receive notification by email, or by IM if your email address bounces. This is an automated procedure so it's not something we can forget to do. Momodot, you say the ratings and comments remained but the pic itself is gone? That does indeed sound like a server glitch. Sorry about that :- If you let me know the title of the pic, I could ask the admin to see if they can retrieve it for you? Karen

The problem is not Renderosity, the problem is a cancer that is evolving and spreading, attacking Renderosity, other sites, goverment, laws, human rights, civilization, art, dignity, countries, etc.
Anyway, Nature is wise and the final result of a cancer is the death of the patient and of course the cancer too!.

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if we remove an image of yours, you ALWAYS receive notification by email, or by IM if your email address bounces. This is an automated procedure so it's not something we can forget to do One point. There's apparently NO followup, so if someone's ISP uses a spamtrap and the mail ends up in there, the person will NOT be notified. Perhaps it should be policy to send to both email AND to IM. It might help avoid future problems. bonni

I think we need to have a TOS ruling on the sexual nature of many of the words used in this topic. After reading about breasts, nipples, emus etc I feel aroused and have been having unseemly thoughts..Why, oh why don't the posters here think about the potential harm that can be done by the overuse of a word like 'nipple'and think about the children who may read their posts.

This is just ridiculous! Not enough rules in our life, we are also going to ask for more TOS. I can understand a polemc done with images done with any kind of taste or knowledge or other, I can't understand this matter at all. What do you when your children have to go on the net looking for something, like resources for their school works? One day my brother's son of 14 came to me and went to look at Google for handcuffs as because he likes a lot the police. I was thinking what he should have got as for answer, but I sure am not gone to tell him "Do not go looking for handcuffs on the net!" because I would have for sure increased his curiosity. Naturally I let you imagine what he found. I was near to him of course. He laughed and asked why that people was using handcuffs that way. I HAD to answer, and told him "Because these are persons mentally sicks probably needing of those handcuffs like the police use it for". Now, if I would have told him DO NOT GO, what do you think he would have done himself? And who would have explained to he a few of things? Some adult doesn't like some word which are been told here? Why you have read it all then? Wasn't better leaving the forum? Me too I don't like a lot of things but I don't go bothering people thinking different than me. And someone would have to explain me what's wrong with words like NIPPLES. Heck I have NIPPLES yes, that is a reality and that is the way are called. Why hidding realities? Why hidding? More you hide, more you will increase the curiosity of your children and not them only. Why not going to ban those commenting every kind image of image with words like EXCELLENT, OUTSTANDING, when is clever to each one many are real s****** things and they do it to get comments back for themselves? Because of a democratic way to be. Let the people seeing and judging themselves, but give to each one the right freedom, which is what the whole world ask for. And then we are so arrogants to think is right to go fighting in those countries where we say there's no freedom? This is a nosense. To speak is right, to discuss what WOULD BE better doing or not it intelligent also, to ask for TOS is not in my opinion where TOS are no needed.

Modern forum software would be nice. Emoticons, signatures, sorting by activity...

I am always amazed that anyone would feel that their view of what is or is not "artistic" or "tasteful" is somehow a universally accepted constant. It's like complaining that Baskin-Robbins has too much chocolate when you prefer vanilla. There may be a few wags who set out to post the most "tasteless" image they can but I have to believe that for the most part, people post their best effort. If some see that as tasteless or gratuitous, that's the viewer's problem, not the artist's or Renderosity's. I'm also struck by the notion that somehow there's this great demand on the part of "adolescents" or leering 40 something males to look at Poser nudes. Having been both, I can assure you that given the choice between looking at Vickys of any cup size and the plethora of images of real women available on the web, the latter win hands down when it comes to the libido. Sorry Vicky. Any child who has the manual dexterity to type "XXX" and hit enter can find far more interesting material than this place has to offer. All the filters and blacklists in the world are no substitute for watching where your kids go. There is an effective "tasteless art" filter though. It's the little left-pointing arrow on your browser.

bonni, One point. There's apparently NO followup, so if someone's ISP uses a spamtrap and the mail ends up in there, the person will NOT be notified... The member to which you are referring received an email request from us, via her spamtrap, to whitelist the domain. And just to clear it up once and for all, that email came from renderosity.com... NOT from a "personal email address" as was claimed. We do, however, now send both IM and email in a majority of cases. Karen

"All the filters and blacklists in the world are no substitute for watching where your kids go." Boy, now you're asking too much! You ask to TAKE RESPONSIBILITIES instead of DELEGATE... ;)

"After reading about breasts, nipples, emus etc I feel aroused and have been having unseemly thoughts." Brother, what kind of sinful thoughts you have!, you must resist to Satan, he is in every place, look the way people are using the handcuffs!

"I'm also struck by the notion that somehow there's this great demand on the part of "adolescents" or leering 40 something males to look at Poser nudes. Having been both, I can assure you that given the choice between looking at Vickys of any cup size and the plethora of images of real women available on the web, the latter win hands down when it comes to the libido. Sorry Vicky. Any child who has the manual dexterity to type "XXX" and hit enter can find far more interesting material than this place has to offer. All the filters and blacklists in the world are no substitute for watching where your kids go. There is an effective "tasteless art" filter though. It's the little left-pointing arrow on your browser." And that, I believe, would be called game, set, and match!

CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH Popcorn?

Keep in mind, the name of the image display area is "Gallery", not "Art Gallery". "Gallery" is merely means of communicating that images will be viewable at the indicated location. Whereas many images will be distasteful for whatever subjective reason, the contents of the "Gallery" are not limited to displaying art. People post images for various reasons, not necessarily limited to artistic display. The Renderosity powers-that-be were wise in distinguishing between "Gallery" and "Art Gallery". However, NOT conforming to site standards as expressed in the TOS is another issue entirely.

<< Keep in mind, the name of the image display area is "Gallery", not "Art Gallery" >> Keep in mind, the name of this website is RENDEROSITY - ART COMMUNITY ;)

When all that an image has got going for it is that there's a nude woman with huge breasts standing or lying there with no expression, then it's boring and prurient to me. I'd like to see better lighting, posing and composition in nudes. However, there is a nudity filter here if one chooses to use it. I don't use it because occasionally I see images with nudity that I do like. Most of the most viewed nude images look boring and banal to my eye, but there are some very good ones in there too. Anything by Toxic Angel for example, and there's one of a nude with interesting venetian blind shadows that add a certain mystery to it. I guess I'm looking for the nude to be integrated into the scene, to look purposeful in some way, rather than just stuck on a background for titillation.

There is a trick I do with people on Feminist (I think of it as personist) issues, substitution... would a man function transperently in the same senario. For years I painted male nudes for this reason. Would the image look as good with a man, a fat man, an old fat man? "I'll believe high heels are a sensible fashion choice when I see the joint chiefs of staff wearing them."

" Would the image look as good with a man, a fat man, an old fat man?" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And with a hamster?

Well...., maybe can be good for whom goes on Friday night games to see young men clashing on the football field and not girls shaking their behinds on the sidelines.

And what about images of musculous sailors?, of course nothing of those nasty grilled sirens.

Are we playing at art or playing Dream Date here? ;)