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Subject: Animation aspect ratio PAL format?


Rokol ( ) posted Wed, 07 December 2005 at 2:55 AM · edited Sun, 12 January 2025 at 4:56 AM

I have decided to do some animation with Infinite & a whole heap of issues have cropped up for me.
When I render at 768 x 576 with square pixels all is OK. But changing the format to PAL with field interlacing for TV playback it squashes my screen ratio down to 768 x 288. It mostly attempts to render frame 99000 & crashes out. The scene is one sphere moved to the left in 3secs, default texture. I also am getting those little white squares suggesting the object is corrupted, used to get them in older versions if the scene got heavy with objects.

Basically it's stuffed. I have posted at E-ON already & am awaiting a reply. Has anyone else here attempted animation with Infinite? Any problems?

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Message edited on: 12/07/2005 02:57


impish ( ) posted Wed, 07 December 2005 at 4:04 AM

I was doing animation with Infinite last night. 800x600 300 frames. Everything basicly working OK. Havn't tried PAL format but I have vague memories of someone reporting a problem with it on one of the forums before. Of course they may not have told e-on through tech support so it could be that e-on is blisfully unaware of it or they may know and are trying to find a solution.

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wabe ( ) posted Wed, 07 December 2005 at 6:44 AM

Well, the thought is correct - field images have only half the Y resolution - two fields (half images) make one full image. Field 1 is scanline 1,3,5,7, ... Field 2 is 2, 4, 6, 8, ... or vice versa - this does not matter. That Infinite crashes is not ok, that it changes the ratio isn't ok either. I think i must try that to see exactly what is going on.

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Rokol ( ) posted Wed, 07 December 2005 at 7:47 AM

Thanks for the reply guys! I going to reinstall & see if that helps. Last time I did so, Vue remembered previous stuff, which is handy in some instances but not all. wabe, this starting at frame 99000 only just cropped up this morning. It says out of memory & either crashes or weirdly then starts to render. Should start at frame 1 onto frame 75, where is 99000 coming from? The aspect ratio narrows with standard PC & 16.9 ratio. I also ran a preview in the timeline, it was PC ratio except the bottom half was black. When it finished & played back it displayed a vertical part of the render but only about a fifth of the frame. Hope some of that makes sense!! Got major corruption that just keeps growing AGGHH!


wabe ( ) posted Wed, 07 December 2005 at 8:03 AM

Ah, the starting 99000 is sort of normal i think. I always understood it as an initialisation. But i will do a test a little later. The rest to be honest i have to see - to fully understand whyt you mean. Again, will do a test a little later.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.


Rokol ( ) posted Wed, 07 December 2005 at 8:10 AM

I will hold off the reinstall until I hear back from E-ON as they may want to see the file! Thanks for testing later wabe! Lets hope it can all be sorted out soon, as I'm itching to make some footage!


wabe ( ) posted Thu, 08 December 2005 at 2:58 AM

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Did the test and it looked ok to me, even when the screenshot i have attached looks odd. But this is probably only because Quicktime can't display the fields correctly and does therefore a sort of overlay. Important for me was to see wether the ratio is changed. And obviously it is not, you see the two fields, each with the expected scanlines but the ratio looks ok. Could you maybe make a screenshot of your animation settings so that we can try exactly what you have done? Oh, and yes, the 99000 frame information pops up quickly here too. As i said, i think this is an initialisation and not an information about a rendered frame. The final animation was as expected, from frame 1 to the end. May I ask why you do field rendering? I know it makes smoother movements, but the additional work you get from that can be not too small too. As you see it now. You need a specific software that can deal correctly with the fields, you maybe even have to do a test which field is first and which is second - depends on the machine you want to record it to (minimum it was like this on the ancient machines i worked with) etc etc. I therefore render frames normally. But of course, i only do it as a hobby these days. And am happy about that.

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wabe ( ) posted Thu, 08 December 2005 at 3:21 AM

And just after i wrote all this i rendered a still - complete new scene. And got the same effect that you describe. The ratio is change totally - to half the size. Will do some screenshots and will try to understand why (i am almost sure of course it has to do with the animation setting that is recognised) and then report it to e-on.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.


Rokol ( ) posted Thu, 08 December 2005 at 3:30 AM

Attached Link: http://www.e-onsoftware.com/support/ShowMessage.php?id=1133895255

Hi wabe,

Here is a link to the E-ON thread. I posted a few jpgs there.

Thanks for looking into things at your end!


wabe ( ) posted Thu, 08 December 2005 at 3:40 AM

And now, after letting Infinite do what it "needed" to do, both parts were rendered automatically and then put together for the final result in the end. Weird.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.


wabe ( ) posted Thu, 08 December 2005 at 3:56 AM

Ok, read your thread and understood. Should be corrected i think because in a new scene as i had, without animation, i even can't change the field rendering. So i have to do an animation to change it. And then all was fine again.

One day your ship comes in - but you're at the airport.


Rokol ( ) posted Thu, 08 December 2005 at 4:16 AM

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Well I will probably leave the field rendering alone for now. Just opened up Vue to have another go at things & my viewports are blank. Preview window is showing the image, but that too looks corrupt close up. My whole program looks corrupt!!I am going to do the re-install right now to see whether it resolves the issue.

Thanks yet sgain wabe, lets hope E-on can look into this!!


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