Hi everyone, my first time here - a visitor from Bryce/Poser/Mojoworld, been with Renderosity since the last millenium!

I 've been playing with the PLE of Vue 6 Infinite for a while and was impressed, especially with the Ecosystems.  Had a couple of crashes, which  resulted in some odd behaviour: when it crashed, I couldn't then run it, or load either Photoshop or Paintshop Pro without a re-boot.

However, I liked what I saw and bought the full download version of Vue 6 Esprit, with the Ecosystems licence.  Installed it fine on my C drive (with the update), came to unlock the licence and wham...instant crash, with oddly enough, the same effect on Paintshop Pro and Photoshop.....

After a dozen or so re-installs, which all ended up the same way, I tried installing it on my wife's laptop and unlocked the licence....no problems.  Back to my PC; I deleted everthing to do with Vue, then re-installed it on an external HDD that I have...it seems to work fine, including Ecosystems, but there is obviously a trade-off in disk speed compared to the C drive.

Does anyone know why it wouldn't install/run properly on my main drive, and what I might be able to do to fix the solution, as I don't want to be working off the external drive any more than I have to, as that is my main data back-up.  Any idea of why a crash in Vue should then affect the other two apps?  I want to move on to the Infinite 6 edition (Ecosystems 2 - I was a bit disappointed with the Ecosystems in Esprit 6), but am a bit scared to lay out £300 for something I might not be able to use.

Don't know much about the PLE Paul, but how did you uninstall it, via the Control panel or did it have it's own uninstaller? You should write a ticket on it over @ E-onsofftware and see what they have to say!!!

P.S. You are going to Love Vue ;^)

I'm sorry for your problems. I never heard or read any related with that in any forum. It looks a really strange behaviour. Maybe your system was already unstable and Vue just brought it to the surface. I would suggest a few system cleaning tools, like Crap Cleaner, TuneUp Utilities, or the like. And, of course, maybe a scandisk would be advisable as well.
I wish you good luck! Vue is worth all this trouble! :-)

Thanks guys; it's a brand-new system....never too early to Scandisk, though....:)  I uninstalled the PLE version with it's own uninstaller.  Very odd, indeed.  Now I'm hooked on Vue, but I really want the Infinite edition!

What operating system?  Vista??? 

Should've put this bit first!

Windows XP Home 32 bit
Pentium dual core 2.66
2 Gigs DDR2
ATI X1950 Pro extreme gfx card (256 mb)

That's how I started. Some weeks later I was buying more RAM... :-)
Not that it's causing your problems but 2GB isn't enough for complex scenes.

When you install on your PC, make sure any anti-virus software is turned off.  Maybe something is getting corrupted?  Don't make sense that it would work on an external drive but not C drive.

Also check your video card for updated drivers.

Paul: i'm not sure of the problem but just wanted to say welcome.

-Richard

Quote - That's how I started. Some weeks later I was buying more RAM... :-)
Not that it's causing your problems but 2GB isn't enough for complex scenes.

I don't know, but 2GB is the most I have on any of my WinXP computers, and I've never had any problems. Just rendered a 65 million poly scene last week.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1632253

Besides, I was under the impression 2GB is the most you can use in a WinXP 32-bit machine.

Certainly for some, upgrading to a 64-bit system with 8GB Ram would seem to help.

Another point, I've seen in other threads where Vue isn't too fond of the ATI OpenGL implementation. The NVidia cards seem to do better. That said, I have no idea why Vue would crash while on the main disk, but not on an external disk, unless:

1. The main disk was full or closed to it;
2. The main disk wasn't stable.

Thanks for looikng in guys.  The system is pretty new; CHKDSK found a single error and repaired it, but it seemd unrelated to Vue, which crashed again afterwards anyway.....I tried launching some other apps following a crash, and couldn't get ZBrush or Truespace to run, but Bryce would......it's got me beat.  It seems all my graphics programmes except Bryce get disabled by a crash in Vue.  I've got enough spare bits lying around from when I built my current PC to make another just for Vue, which is what I'm going to do!

As regards the 2Gb memory limit - I've just rendered a scene with in excess of 2 billion polygons, according to Vue, with no problems, nor do I anticipate any in that area. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't get any more memory on my board and XP would have to be fiddled with to get it to read 3Gb anyway.

Quote: *"I don't know, but 2GB is the most I have on any of my WinXP computers, and I've never had any problems. Just rendered a 65 million poly scene last week.

• http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1632253*
  Besides, I was under the impression 2GB is the most you can use in a WinXP 32-bit machine."*

65 million poly is a fairly low count. It's very frequent for me to go over 100 million. For example, my image "Infinite flower field" has an ecosystem with 3500 million poly (3.5 billion!).
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1616017

You can use until 3GB in a 32 bit machine. There are some threads about that (including the switch to use in Windows) in this forum.

**Quote: *"I don't know, but 2GB is the most I have on any of my WinXP computers, and I've never had any problems.

**There is a little APP that will do the work for you now days. You install it and then run it over your EXECUTABLE File, One at a time. It will back-up your App so if anything goes wrong and it will tell you if your App is 3Gbs Compatable, Vue is Not, but even though Vue is not it will enlarge Vues ability to handle more RAM. I use it and no Problems.
My Image "Rocky Mountain High" was 31 Billion Polygons and with No Problems. My largest scene to work on is 92 Billion, but at that amount of polygons it does not render well and is very grainy so that scene will have to wait until I purchase a Quad Core 64bit.
The link is **HERE **if anyone is interested.

Hi there! :)

Hm, you do have latest update for Vue I take it?
What video card? IMHO, NVIDIA cards seem MUCH more stable with Vue than ATI.

Perosnally, I'd check to see if it's a registrey problem too, but that's NOT something to mess with lightly (I love Registrey Mechanic).
Liek maybe the PLE has left osme error someplace.

But as folk say, check the E-on site for similar problems or report to a technician. :)

My tutorials (free of course!), my usual shameless plug for any poor newbie! ;)
http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/tutorials/htm/index.htm

Since your problem also disables those other graphics programs, it certainly sounds like a display card or display card driver issue.

My Vue 5 Infinite used to be far less stable until I removed my ATI X-500 and got an nVidia GeForce 7950 - then it became rock stable (maybe 1 crash every 3-4 months).

Also, do you have the latest display card driver(s)?

I have no end of problems with my ATI X1950 Pro, its forever crashing and other I believe card related problems.

As for Vista, I have Vista home premium, Athlon X2 6000+, 3GB ram and rendered a 4.4 billion poly scene the other day, had no problems with it apart from it slowed the system down a bit.

Cheers
Jon

Double click on "My Computer"
Right click on your "C" drive
Check to see if the Compress files button is ticked for your "C" drive---that may be causing an issue with VUE----just a thought.

Thanks for all the tips folks!

It's getting weirder, but that very weirdness might be suggesting where the problem lies.  I imported a simple Poser prop, played with it, noticed how sluggishly Vue seemed to be operating, thought no more of it.  Launched Poser 7 a while later - it too had almost seized up, with horrendous lag between every action.  Went online to find this was indeed a GFX card driver issue

http://www.contentparadise.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8235

....sorted that out and Vue has been much more stable, though not entirle crash-free.  I'm going to bring my old PC to life, with an integrated GFX chip on the motherboard and just use that for Vue.  Not an ideal solution, but it should work - I've deliberatley tried to crash it on my wife's laptop and it's rock-solid.