Other than price, what entices you to buy a market place product?

For me I have a passion for hats! I love hats! I often wear a hat when I dress up to go out. I have a hat to match every dress I own.

I also absolutely love anything Victorian or Asian themed!!! I swear I was born in the wrong era and the wrong culture!

Another thing that will tempt me into  buying is if any of the following are included in the package:

• hand fans

• umbrellas/parasols

• purse/bag

• candles, vases, bowls

• jewellery

So what tempts you into buying a product, price excluded.

I tend to gravitate toward figures and hair since I have the most trouble making those :)

Laurie

-- Anything dynamic, these days. KobaltKween and Laurie's created a monster. :biggrin:

-- Scenery (been let down by anything that isn't Stonemason - he's the gold-standard)

-- Shoes (never can have enough, it seems)

-- Hair (when it's new and different)

Hair packages and/or a good texture set for M4. Clothing too, particularly M4, which there isn't a whole heck of a lot. But price does play heavily into my budget.

It doesn't matter if it's clothing, characters or props.  If any of the items I listed are in it, it usually finds its way into my shopping cart: especially if it's hats, fans and bags.

Dynamic clothing. Quality character textures. Materials. Hair. Props/scenes if they really spark my imagination.

The marketplace is a pain to search or browse. As a result, I respond to newsletters, sales, VOM sales, coupons, etc. I have also bought some items because I saw them work very well in gallery postings. Word of mouth is also important. A casual reference in a forum post somewhere often piques my interest and leads to a sale.

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Are your Poser girls clothes horses? :)

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Are your Poser girls clothes horses? :)

To say the least!!! hehe 

one can never have too many shoes or purses...lol.

Laurie

Hehe, I can never have enough boots, stack heels or not. Sure wish Crossdresser handled boot conversions better. My guys need some boots with heels. (I have a perfect set of boots with stack heels if I wanted to make yet another stab at KISS-like characters, however the boots are for V4).

Distinctiveness!

lmk

Doesn't PhilC have a shoe converter?

Sigh, I've never attempted to use Waredrobe Wizard, nor do I have the least understanding of dynamic clothes.

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I've never gotten the hang of Wardrobe Wizard version 2. It just seems overly complicated to me and I can't seem to grasp it.  I still mostly use version 1 which is basically "for dummies."

The cloth room is very easy if you have the right tutorials.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2739159

Once you try dynamic clothing, and do it a few times, you will absolutely love it!

Hair and with clothing items UTILITY. Meaning how many different ways can I use it.

I guess that's why the bodysuit is my favorite item.

Also with characters that "something" that makes me go "Hmmm." (Morph, texture, pose)

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Yesssssss

Hair seems to be the only thing I buy nowadays.  The selling points are a full description in the readme, and a reasonably small package size.  If the readme doesn't tell me exactly how it's used, or the OBJ and texture sizes seem overblown, I won't buy.

I haven't been getting much lately, so one of the big things for me is if it's like anything I have or not.  If it is, is it better enough to justify the expense.  For example there have been 2 asian themed chars that have just come out in the rendo marketplace that looked good, but I already have one or two so I passed them up, at least for now.  There was another in this week's spotlight, but I don't have the elite morphs which meant I'd have to buy something else first.  :/

BTW, I've tried dynamic clothing, I've even made something, haven't seen the appeal to it yet.

OT: "I also absolutely love anything Victorian or Asian themed"  - Arcadia

You might like the Japanese film "Kamikaze Girls". It's about a girl living on a farm who imagines she is living in the Victorian era.  But her best friend is in a girl biker gang and her father is a Yakuza reject.  

Quote - On topic:  I usually go to the marketplace looking for something specific that I need for a project.  Occasionally I will buy a new character just because they look awesome!

OT: "I also absolutely love anything Victorian or Asian themed"  - Arcadia

You might like the Japanese film "Kamikaze Girls". It's about a girl living on a farm who imagines she is living in the Victorian era.  But her best friend is in a girl biker gang and her father is a Yakuza reject.  

I don't know about the movie, but I love that hat!!!! 

I don't buy much stuff, I'm tight as the proverbial fishes you know what. When I do buy stuff the big hook for me can be summed up in two words "Sex Appeal" (give generously!). Yep, the old adage "sex sells" works on me. So a tight fitting evening dress, tiny bikini, a figure with a beautiful face or body, sexy body Jewellery or tattoos, are all tempting to me. Then one needs an environment to place ones virtual beauties in, so I can never have enough landscapes, rooms and furniture.

Sex is not the only selling point. Quality is of course a big factor. If I have had a good quality freebie form the vendor, I am much more likely to risk investing in one of his/her commercial products. If promo images demonstrate that the product looks good from all angles, is not post worked, has a close enough view to show detail, all these things make it more likely for me to buy.

On the more utilitarian side of things, I'm very tempted by things that make life easier. A utility that that can automate something that would be difficult, or take a long time to do, rates highly with me.

Things that put me off. Poor quality promo images. Lack of adequate explanation of what a product is, does, or includes. If it's a character, big breasts put me off as I'm passionate about tiny tits (they seem to be a rare and endangered species her in Poser land).

Tits come in a tiny size?  I thought large was the smallest you could get.

Tiny tits? Does Vicky have those? You must tell all you know about this rare creature!

Laurie

There are so many products coming on-stream that really are just variations along commercially-successful themes.  Yes, this place is a business, and it should have those revenue-generators.

I don't buy unless it fits my personal project themes, and only if the products are really inventive and different from the ho-hum rest.  

Excessively high quality and the correspondingly higher price, are deterrents for me, because I don't need ultra top-quality for my hobby needs.

Complicated usage is also a deterrent for me.  I want to make my picture in a reasonable time;  I don't want to have to retreat to a mountaintop and train for decades before I can render one !

Only if I actually "need" the product these days. I used to buy stuff just because it looked nice, but that was costing me wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much..LOL.

So I only buy what I need and have done for a while now..

Dragon Eggs! Or, unique items.....

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I've never gotten the hang of Wardrobe Wizard version 2. It just seems overly complicated to me and I can't seem to grasp it.  I still mostly use version 1 which is basically "for dummies."

The cloth room is very easy if you have the right tutorials.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=2739159

Once you try dynamic clothing, and do it a few times, you will absolutely love it!

Absotively! I couldn't agree more. Thank you for those links, Acadia, not sure why I missed them before.

Seriously, LatexLuv, start simple, work slowly and before you know it you'll be trying to convert all your conforming stuff to dynamic because it finally looks right!

I'm in two minds about more stuff for dynamic coming out: on one hand, I'd be loving it, and probably buying up a storm, but on the other hand, my budget-master would probably spank, soooooo....... :blink:

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There are a ton of freebie dynamic items.  Mapps has a bunch in his store, and EnglishBob has some hybrid items where parts of the outfit are conforming and others dynamic.  That is the best combination IMHO.

i get suckered into the cute.  like Hein and his wizard outfit.  cuuuuute

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So I only buy what I need and have done for a while now..

Same here.

Price was never a factor.

I've got sooooo much stuff from past years that I've never used that the last fewn years I've bought less and less. Because I fiddle with modeling, I tend to make much more stuff than I buy now. The modeling is only recent though and before that I bought plenty. If I liked it, I bought it no matter how much it cost ;). Back then I was a vendor and I was lucky enough to make my Poser habit pay for itself as well...lol.

Laurie

I tend to only buy omething that I need for a specific picture, and only if I cant be bothered modelling it myself. I also consider how often I could use it in other pics. I tend to look more at the quality of the textures for props. Price is a consideration and I am willing to pay more for a nice piece with good textures and its something I can use a lot.

Over $10 and I need a very good reason to buy.

I tend to buy characters and textures on the basis that I could spend the rest of my life trying to learn the skills and still never match the ones are for sale for a few dollars.  I am trying to get my head around making my own textures and do some modelling but I am very aware of my limitations.  This also explains my purchase of the odd tutorial as i am keen to expand my skills.

Price is a consideration but I will spend a fair bit for something I need that is good quality.  That said I do look at the gallery and review sections before I make a final decision.  As I am well into my Sci-Fi there are a couple of spacecrafts that I have been tempted to buy but they are pricey and there are no gallery examples or reviews and so I have resisted the temptation...well so far at least.  

I am tempted by any item for the figures that have less support: Clothing and skins for G2 figures, for Poser 6 Jessi and James, for Alyson and Ryan, Antonia and Apollo. I am well supplied for stuff for Vicky and Mike (versions 3 and 4). Price is always a consideration as well. I'll wishlist an item I want and wait for the price to come down.

And I am a sucker for farm animals.

If it is building or rooms, are the pieces separate so you can either hide walls to get the camera angle you want or use various pieces to mix and match elsewhere. Things like furniture, wall decorations, vases, etc. Maybe even use just a couple of walls and use figures or props from some other product.

Clothes: can it be worn on the street (everyday) if I am doing current day or period scenes. Yes I do on occassion do stripper or skimmy clothes scenes :ohmy:

And as stated above dynamic cloth is the cats meow!

M4. As stated above, M4 lacks clothes. Even using WW2 to convert M3's cloths and illustrating multiple scenes, having 6 different male characters all wear near the same suit is an issue. Plus a lot of the suit coats for M3 and M4 don't bend well in the shoulders or at the waist, so I am always looking for the next one hoping it will.

I will admit I am a hair and shoe collector for both the girls and the guys.

Being an old gear head I should open a used car lot, I have that many vehicles. But if you have V4 walking down a busy street or window shopping on a sidewalk, you need variety in vehicles. Not everybody drives a Ford Mustang. If you are doing a 60's or 70's scene you need period vehicles. I am still looking for more vehicles where the doors open the wheels turn and the windows go up and down. Body roll side to side and front to back so the car looks like it is turning or stopping is a big bonus and goes into my cart no questions asked. Adding a vehicle to the background with a character loading purchases into a trunk is something you might see in a real scene.

Plus landscapes and plants. I could give the local nursey a run for their money with my inventory-variety. But I try to add all the little things to a scene like plants and even weeds, maybe even trash, light poles, telephone poles, trash cans or even loose items on the ground to make a scene not so bare looking. The city sanitation department didn't clean my scene just before I rendered it! If I am doing an office scene I look at the desks in the office and all the little things people have on their desks and try to mimic those other wise you have V4 sitting a a baren desk with a coffee cup and a computer and one piece of paper. Not real to me. Granted all of this slows the render down....but it is worth the wait to me. But I am always looking for props that I can use again in a mix and match fashion.

It's the detailed items include that attract me most of the time. If I can buy something that includes a lot of details  vs the time it takes to model and it advances my projects that much faster I grab it. Besides I am terrible at modeling in the 1st place unless it is a just a ball or a cube

So I look for a details in just about everything and how item 1 from this set can be used with items 3 and 7 from something else.

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Yesssssss

As a very recent convert, I must agree wholeheartedly. I don't know why we've allowed the myth that the cloth room is difficult to propagate for so long. It's WAY, WAY easier than trying to add morphs to conforming clothing.

To be sure, I'm having some trouble with complex, layered pieces (shirt tucked into pants and under jacket, for example). But even my problematic simulations look better than the conformed version. The thing that made it really work for me was the advice to go over some of the funky looking folds with the morphing brush set on smooth.

even if I don't need it for my comic straight away, i know what I am likely to need as I have the whole story mapped out already (as a book).

I love scenes with lots of clutter eg books on shelves, magazines lying on tables etc, and I hate products where I have to arrange everything myself.

I love scenes with matching poses. I particularly like greenpots stuff because the poses move things and people to the right positions and have walls etc that can be made invsible. I'm on a mac which he says he doesn't support but I can use advanced figure manager from rdna to  make groups of things invisible for best camera angles.

I also like the dream home with poses for add-on sets as this puts the daz figures in the seats in natural poses.

Love esther

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Yesssssss

As a very recent convert, I must agree wholeheartedly. I don't know why we've allowed the myth that the cloth room is difficult to propagate for so long. It's WAY, WAY easier than trying to add morphs to conforming clothing.

To be sure, I'm having some trouble with complex, layered pieces (shirt tucked into pants and under jacket, for example). But even my problematic simulations look better than the conformed version. The thing that made it really work for me was the advice to go over some of the funky looking folds with the morphing brush set on smooth.

I seriously think we need to start a Poser Dynamic Cloth Club, or something, to promote the concept of dynamic cloth and its development and usage. I for one would love to get my head around the finer points of developing clothing items for the cloth room - I think this is a completely-missed technology with infinite promise, and if it really took off as it should, conforming cloth would go the way of the rumble seat.

Bad idea? :woot:

Soorry, didn't mean to hijack this thread - couldn't help myself! :biggrin:

I would probably use it if I could set up all my simulations separately and then import all the pz3s into one PZ3 without having to resimulate everything, but unfortunately trying to use multiple figures for crowd scenes (already difficult in poser) and have them wearing dynamic clothes introduced me to a world of pain that I never want to experience again.

Love esther

Just an idea: you could do each character in a separate pz3 - and your main scene as a separate pz3. When you're ready to render, you just do a File -> Import -> Poser scene and assemble your scene that way.

Just a thought.

yes, that was what I tried to do, but in the end I was forced to start over with conforming clothes.  It did work kind of but was really hard, especially when I wanted to change their positions with respect to the room they were in ie some sitting in chairs and others lying on beds etc.

talking of bed - goodnight all.

I tend to avoid the marketplace like the plague. Too overloaded with the same thing and too hard to find anything, if you're just browsing. Occationally an ad will catch my eye and I'll check it out. If I like the product, it'll go on my wish list until I have cash and a coupon. Usually I can find what I need in the free section or make it myself (if it's simple).

Quote - I tend to avoid the marketplace like the plague. Too overloaded with the same thing and too hard to find anything, if you're just browsing. Occationally an ad will catch my eye and I'll check it out. If I like the product, it'll go on my wish list until I have cash and a coupon. Usually I can find what I need in the free section or make it myself (if it's simple).

It is obvious we see it the same way. If a vendor I used becomes too repetitous in their items I don't buy from them any longer especially if all they do is have one base model and make small changes here and there and call it new. To me it's not a new or fresh creation and saying it sells has grown cold and annoys me so that vendor no longer gets my support.

Now I only purchase what I would need for my own work or work for a client. Hair and footwear are my biggest purchases and even that is growing thin.

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Bad idea? :woot:

Soorry, didn't mean to hijack this thread - couldn't help myself! :biggrin:

I agree. I mean, I so wish I had started doing this years earlier.

As Esther points out, conforming clothing has its place, such as complicated crowd scenes. But the vast majority of renders I see in the gallery involve a single character.

Maybe we should start a new thread dedicated to this purpose. :)

You can count me in. I'm always making some dynamic something or other...lol ;).

Now, lets give the thread back to Acadia...lolol.

Laurie

Sorry we borrowed your thread Acadia.

But we were experimenting with V4 in the cloth room trying to have her do the splits in a tight skirt.....and.....well we had to make some repairs to the skirt.

Here's your thread back!

What really entices me is the quality of every aspect. If it's a great looking hair but has terrible distortion on bending it on the shoulders, it's useless to me, so I like looking for hair that looks natural and realistic like the aeryso.... alphaseed hairs. I've got Fable, LA and Golden Drops all converted using the hair convertion kits and they're all I really use. I love finding super high quality texture sets for my most used models, a simple thing like darker skin can completely change how someone looks and I've had a lot of luck using Texture converter to bring the Elite skins over to the Poser girls which adds a lot of new rendering verasility. :D

I also look for good morphs like the RDNA morphs, I have them all and sadly I haven't found anything else that matches them, so I'm always on the look out for more so I can make unique characters even more so.

As for clothing, I'll only buy it if it seems like it's something someone would actually wear, and only wear if they were going outside, so jeans, sweatpants, regular fitting tshirts etc. I can't stand all the slutty things that are being sold, most people with any type of self respect would never go out in public like a lot of stuff being sold unless they were street corner professionals.

Speaking of clothing, I really should give dynamic clothing a try. :c

Things I still buy mostly are skin textures, hair and scenery items.

Well I'll add my 2 cents ... Give me monsters!!!! If they are made from Vicky and Mike and can use Vicky and Mike stuff even better. That is why I have all of grotto's stuff :-) I also have tons of stuff from Dinoraul ... both monsters and Dinos :-) And several beasties from Adam and other critter makers :-) The more Creapy and maneater the better, but cute is good too, like the works of Nursoda (Bong is way too cool) :-) Bots and critters like the ones from winnson1984 also find their way into my cart quickly :-)

Anime related stuff.