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Subject: Help needed with liquid shaders


chris1972 ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 10:36 AM · edited Fri, 09 August 2024 at 2:58 PM

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This is a bar scene Im working on for my New Orleans French Quarter project. Notice the booze bottles with the arrows, they are washed out with very little color compared to the bottle in front. The liquid in the bottle is picking up the blue from the background and causing it to wash out. I tried to resolve this but sofar have been unsuccesful.

Im using just transparency set to .8 and a refraction node attached to the refraction channel. Color is coming from refraction color.


LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 10:40 AM · edited Sat, 24 November 2012 at 10:41 AM

But a clear bottle will show color behind it and refract it around in the glass. I'm not sure what ya trying to do ;).

Laurie



basicwiz ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 10:45 AM

It actually looks pretty realistic to me!


chris1972 ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 10:46 AM

See how rich the color in the bottle in front is. It has the same shader as the one behind. A bottle in real life would not be affected this much by the color of a wall behind it. Im sure it would be affected some but not this much. When I put the bottle close to the blue wall it just sucks the color out of it! (so to speak) click on the picture to see a close up!


basicwiz ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 10:49 AM

This sounds like a bagginsbill question. He was around earlier today. Perhaps he'll pop back in. 


Anthanasius ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 11:14 AM

Dont use refract and transparency together, it's useless.

Blend refletc and refract, use more bounce for your renders.

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LaurieA ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 11:44 AM

Oh, I get ya now ;).

My guess is that the trans is showing too much of what's behind. You don't need trans if you have the refract node on. However, you may need to lighten the color of the refract to get what ya want.

Laurie



Miss Nancy ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 1:47 PM · edited Sat, 24 November 2012 at 1:48 PM

you're saying the whiskey bottle with the arrow has the identical shaders to the two whiskey bottles in front?  then it would be an issue of some concern.  for thin glass, use trans, for thick glass use refract.  bill has posted the technique for those able to search his posts.  for IDL scenes, the reflect node should be attached to the reflect chan for speedier prelim renders IMVHO.



chris1972 ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 2:05 PM

click on the pic to enlarge it, on the right side under the arrow there are 2 bottles with the same shape (it says Swing Superior on the label) they both have the very same shaders.

toward the middle of the pic there is a "Jack Daniels" bottle under the other arrow near the blue background and another "Jack Daniels" bottle to the right and in the forground, they each have the same shaders.

 


bagginsbill ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 3:06 PM

Just got back from holiday - will pop in tomorrow to investigate.


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chris1972 ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 3:56 PM

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Was able to fix it, went from the shader on the left to the one on the right.

Adding reflection to the liquid was the major part of the fix. I have reflection on the glass shader, so I didnt think you would want reflection on the liquid also, but it seems to work.

You can see the 3 bottles on the left have pretty consistant color from front to back


grichter ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 6:03 PM

Ahh some Jack...Just flew to China on Business and United had a documentary available on Jack Daniels. Nobody at Jack Daniels can explain why it is called No. 7. Lynchburg where that make Jack is in a dry county. 👎

The ones on the left looks just like the bottles in the Documentry. Good job on figuring it out. :thumbupboth:

Problem is you made me thristy. :lol:

Gary

"Those who lose themselves in a passion lose less than those who lose their passion"


bagginsbill ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 6:44 PM · edited Sat, 24 November 2012 at 6:44 PM

Quote - Adding reflection to the liquid was the major part of the fix.

No it wasn't. You did change that, but it wasn't the only change, nor the most important change. The most important was that you went from the nonsense Refraction_Value=2, down to the much more logical, although still impossible, Refraction_Value=1.

 


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Anthanasius ( ) posted Sat, 24 November 2012 at 8:37 PM

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Fast render 4 bounces

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Miss Nancy ( ) posted Sun, 25 November 2012 at 8:25 PM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?message_id=3973695&ebot_calc_page#message_3973695

anthan, see att lnk for thin glass, e.g. bottles.  the shader you used is for solid refractive objects, and it may produce very dark contact shadows.



Anthanasius ( ) posted Mon, 26 November 2012 at 3:39 AM

No dark shadows with good lightning ... The thin glass shader is made for windows or specs, not for liquid ;)

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Zanzo ( ) posted Mon, 03 December 2012 at 5:40 PM

Quote - This is a bar scene Im working on for my New Orleans French Quarter project. Notice the booze bottles with the arrows, they are washed out with very little color compared to the bottle in front. The liquid in the bottle is picking up the blue from the background and causing it to wash out. I tried to resolve this but sofar have been unsuccesful.

Im using just transparency set to .8 and a refraction node attached to the refraction channel. Color is coming from refraction color.

How long does it take you to render this scene?


chris1972 ( ) posted Mon, 03 December 2012 at 6:10 PM

"How long does it take you to render this scene?"


Miss Nancy ( ) posted Mon, 03 December 2012 at 9:53 PM

my guess would be < 1 hr.



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