Just as a point of fact: I know quite a few people who have had their initial introduction to one software program or another through using a pirated version and are now paying users for decades.

I'm Brazilian. Software piracy here is rampant, so much so that some people will mock you for purchasing software or games.

I can tell you for sure that phone-home or other such security measures only annoy legit users - piracy users apply a crack and go, never bothered by it again. So... I'm partial with doing away with the phone-home too.

But it's their software, I guess. I can't imagine their reasons.

(Also: yes, I also know a bunch of people who started out with pirated stuff then migrated to legit forever. Sometimes it's a matter of learning better and trying not to break laws, other times it's a matter of appreciating the work put into creating the software/games. Other times, when it's a smaller company, it's about helping them not go broke because the person wants them to keep updating/creating things.)

Honestly the only case of success I've seen against piracy is Steam and Netflix: they've made the pay worth the less trouble. It's cheap, you do everything in the comfort of your home, you get practicity, and good costumer service, instead of going to sketchy sites where you can download viruses, trying to find the latest version, trying to find a crack that works, trying to find (in case of movies) the actual movie and not a porn knock-off (... happened to someone I know and it was hilarious)... The practicity beats the not having to pay. I think that's the only way of fighting piracy, in all honesty.

Bill Gates (Microsoft) used the warez groups to beta test all the windows operating systems - now he's playing the benevolent philanthropist

I have seen all these great support of Creators adding there creations to make Poser Interesting , they invested allot of time giving Bondware a great Present to have a great start of, these Artists " Creators " make free Publicity for Renderosity For Poser , they support where they can without expecting any thank you !

They Increased the Poser Library by 8 gig woow all free all for Renderosity , they Pay a fee of 50 % of there work to rent a little space in a store, they support Poser help Newbies understand and solve Problems ... All For Free ... this is a Phenomenon but what do you get for it ... do you get understanding do you get any thank you " NO " the only thing you get is to realize that you are just a cheap Slave of the owner of Poser " Hey be happy we give you the opportunity to use Poser "

I think that there is not much respect for what the Artists do , rather a disrespect by adding such restrictions and making them depend on a call home that might be one day to force a Monthly payment in addition of 50% fee to sell an item !

I know how much work it is to make a freebie but think of it ... who did them !!! who is giving out free stuff !!?? and who is not !! normaly it is a give and take but how it seems now it is just a take " They will advertise >>> We give you the new Poser for 99$ with 8 gig of content < " so you just gave them more Power with these gifts . Ask them for a favor and they will Ignore you no matter how small it will be !

Sure give them time ... give them gifts .... offer them your time your life ... will they do the same for you ?

Black Friday well who gives the gifts ? Is it the creator or is it Renderosity ? the answer is it is the Creator ! Renderosity does not give gifts they gift what others did nothing else.

gate posted at 7:26PM Sat, 30 November 2019 - #4371821

They Increased the Poser Library by 8 gig woow all free all for Renderosity , they Pay a fee of 50 % of there work to rent a little space in a store, they support Poser help Newbies understand and solve Problems ... All For Free ... this is a Phenomenon but what do you get for it ... do you get understanding do you get any thank you " NO " the only thing you get is to realize that you are just a cheap Slave of the owner of Poser " Hey be happy we give you the opportunity to use Poser "

I think that there is not much respect for what the Artists do , rather a disrespect by adding such restrictions and making them depend on a call home that might be one day to force a Monthly payment in addition of 50% fee to sell an item !

No.

Don't you dare.

Seriously, don't USE us to speak for your agenda and don't PRETEND you respect us while you claim we're SLAVES.

We know very well what we're doing. We understand the costs of mantaining a website of this size, of keeping it working, of testing the products, of creating all advertising, of providing technical support. And that's a 40% for them when you're an exclusive vendor, too.

A lot of artists are out there selling t-shirts to earn back 5% of the revenue. A lot of artists are out there drawing comic books for a 1% of royalties. Just don't.

Don't pretend you respect us while you claim we're stupid and being used. Just stop.

If you hate Renderostity so much... we have a saying here in Brazil: the door out is on the house.

@ Afrodite-Ohki

I do not hate Renderosity ! I feel sorry on how they treat there feeding hands ... to make a change you have to mention your thoughts else there will never be any . they will think " it is ok the way it is " as no one say's anything ! you should know better as you are from brazil until 1985 under dictatorship.

Do you have a own site with store ? and if can you advertise here ? but if you sure can advertise for Renderosity ? see they would expect others to advertise for them but never advertise for others it always will go on one direction . sure you get 60% if it is exclusive but then you can not even sell it privately on your own site ! you will not get what you deserved for the whole work !

No doubt it is your decision no one forcing you but i Know how you feel every month when you realize how much that little space cost's for all you done, would it be a little more it would be helpfull for your bills as you work really hard for your creations.

these are not your words Oki these are words they use ! the door out is on the house, if you don't like it then just go !

I am not selling here I just feel baad for others that are not treated the way they deserve to be treated that's all.

@Afrodite-Ohki About the Costs .... Most tecnical support is given by private for free ... Product testing Freelancer they get the Product for free you do not even know who it is after the testing period they even get some free presents of there choice from other vendors in most cases ... 3D users scream for such a job to access new stuff for free . Advertising mostly free from users that own a website and Creators or Consumers.

I am not pretending that you are stupid I rather think that yo are intelligent, you just think that you have no other choice ! the easy way is not always the best way.

Are you seriously

SERIOUSLY

HONEST TO GOD

comparing an online brokery site for digital goods

to an ACTUAL DICTATORSHIP?

No. I'm done.

I lived in a communist country. My grandparents were almost killed by them and the only reason my grandfather was let go was that my grandma knew the police captain and refused to leave his office until they let her husband go. He lost his job as a minister and his home and loaded coal wagons for years.

I am done here as well. Seriously done. WtF???

If you were reading the whole not only what is psychologically affecting your personal issues you would not pretend that I said it would be a dictatorship in here. These are your words not mine Oki :) I said that your Country was under dictatorship until 1985 ... well so much for reading things LOL

so see it is your choice to go out the door not mine everyone can chose he's own path.

Now it's "my personal issues".

Look up "gaslighting".

Now I'm out of this conversation before I say something that would likely get me banned.

(Meanwhile, you might look into trying to get your tinfoil hat off.)

ok did not know this expression tinfoil Hat

What does it mean to wear a tinfoil hat? Saying someone is "wearing a tin foil hat" or "is a tin foil hat" means that they have paranoia or a belief in conspiracy theories, especially involving government surveillance or paranormal beings. Originally, the term referred to the practice of wearing headgear consisting of metal foil to block mind-reading.

I do not think that I have any Paranoia or believe in conspiracy when I bring up facts ... you should know better then that and also your "gaslighting" comment is a little out of place here as there were no comments directed to you personally you rather seem the one to attack others personally . I do not understand your way of Interpretation in an global argument taking things Personally " unless you would be somehow involved "

"Please quote where I am Personally Aggressin you " and by any means if you feel somehow personally attacked it was not my purpose

movida posted at 3:19AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371812

Just as a point of fact: I know quite a few people who have had their initial introduction to one software program or another through using a pirated version and are now paying users for decades.

To quote movida, again, I agree with the above. I may be dating myself, but I remember years ago we had the Adobe Illustrator package and the upgrades were getting pricey. There's no way you could buy and test all the packages (even then they were always like $399 even on sale) so someone gave my dad copies of Corel Draw2 floppys (yes, that's how long ago). We wound up buying the full version of Corel Draw 3 (which I still have complete with it's really well done manuals, and floppys transferred to dvd), and even though we don't do every upgrade cycle (maybe one in three) we're still legit Corel users to this day. Moreover that got us hooked on the Corel video Studio, too.

If it hadn't been for those floppys, I don't know. We probably would have found something open source. We would have dropped Adobe in any event. It just cost too much and we weren't professional users.

So, in a nod to Ohki, the phone home routine just makes it more of a hassle for legit users the same way raising the price of the software does. And, again, Poser is not a stand alone program. It really depends upon the artist content, and vice versa. Over the long term, why on earth would anyone continue buying hundreds or thousands of dollars of artist content if they had an unreliable program that could quit any day?

Well, one ansewr: If you're online it's transparent to you so you don't care. But then one day you encounter a glitch, maybe you bought a new computer or ipad, or maybe you're in the middle of working on something and exicted to go finish it...and then can't access Poser when you expect to. You go through hoops to get it re-started, maybe half a day, maybe a week, you have to PROVE you're a legit owner (where is that serial number? why doesn't the help desk write back? should I wait or go out now?) and it strikes you how much you've spent as a Dazaholic, or Renderhead, or whatever, and you come to a conclusion: that you're sooo stupid to have bought all that content that could be cut off so easily.

In the current business envrionment, that's when you slap your head and say "I should've gone DAZ!"

So I fight for Poser.

I guess the bottom line and answer to the question I initially posted, is that there IS a kill swtich. Flexible, but still there. That means if Poser and Daz permanently go separate ways, when it becomes obvious I'm investing in content for which there is no alternative to run but on unreliable Poser, I have to limit my investment. Right now I'm mostly V4 characters which work on both. And static content which can be transferred through OBJs. I didn't do Daz gen because they didn't work on Poser, and as of this minute I don't do DAZ. If LaFemme won't run on Daz, and if Bondware continues this kill switch nonsense, I have to think about future content purchases very hard.

consumer573 posted at 4:21AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371870

So, in a nod to Ohki, the phone home routine just makes it more of a hassle for legit users the same way raising the price of the software does. And, again, Poser is not a stand alone program. It really depends upon the artist content, and vice versa. Over the long term, why on earth would anyone continue buying hundreds or thousands of dollars of artist content if they had an unreliable program that could quit any day?

Well, one ansewr: If you're online it's transparent to you so you don't care. But then one day you encounter a glitch, maybe you bought a new computer or ipad, or maybe you're in the middle of working on something and exicted to go finish it...and then can't access Poser when you expect to. You go through hoops to get it re-started, maybe half a day, maybe a week, you have to PROVE you're a legit owner (where is that serial number? why doesn't the help desk write back? should I wait or go out now?) and it strikes you how much you've spent as a Dazaholic, or Renderhead, or whatever, and you come to a conclusion: that you're sooo stupid to have bought all that content that could be cut off so easily.

In the current business envrionment, that's when you slap your head and say "I should've gone DAZ!"

So I fight for Poser.

For the record, piracy, even in the real world, does exist. I know people who have stolen cable TV, water, and even electricity. They "jailbreak" Roku to get free streaming. It doesn't make it right.

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

One final comment. Nails60 in post 4371759 on page 2 asked me a provocative question on Piracy. I was discussing the Poser software, but there is a separate issue. Whatever happens with Poser software, artist content needs to be fervently, if not viciously protected from Piracy. If you're going to set up a policing issue I feel that's really where it should be. It might be that Daz and Bondware sometime somewhere set up a joint team to curb free copying or trade of artist content. Keeping price low and volume high of content and software will make this easier. Creating things you can do (3D printing) with artist content will help. That means pump out that Daz and Poser software.

EClark1894 posted at 4:49AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

consumer573 posted at 4:21AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371870

So, in a nod to Ohki, the phone home routine just makes it more of a hassle for legit users the same way raising the price of the software does. And, again, Poser is not a stand alone program. It really depends upon the artist content, and vice versa. Over the long term, why on earth would anyone continue buying hundreds or thousands of dollars of artist content if they had an unreliable program that could quit any day?

Well, one ansewr: If you're online it's transparent to you so you don't care. But then one day you encounter a glitch, maybe you bought a new computer or ipad, or maybe you're in the middle of working on something and exicted to go finish it...and then can't access Poser when you expect to. You go through hoops to get it re-started, maybe half a day, maybe a week, you have to PROVE you're a legit owner (where is that serial number? why doesn't the help desk write back? should I wait or go out now?) and it strikes you how much you've spent as a Dazaholic, or Renderhead, or whatever, and you come to a conclusion: that you're sooo stupid to have bought all that content that could be cut off so easily.

In the current business envrionment, that's when you slap your head and say "I should've gone DAZ!"

So I fight for Poser.

For the record, piracy, even in the real world, does exist. I know people who have stolen cable TV, water, and even electricity. They "jailbreak" Roku to get free streaming. It doesn't make it right.

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Earl, I'm saying I feel bondware is trying to set up a dam to curtail piracy. I believe you can spend that effort, but this is a niche market. Direct the flow rather than set up a dam to get a bigger market for artist products which is where I believe Bondware's real business model is supposed to be, isn't it?

BTW Please don't goad Gate. :) He's passionate.

@ EClark1894 It is obvious that I pay for the website but it is not a budget breaker now day's for hosting I got my self a Lifetime membership . So if I pay for something I sure want to get what I pay for , guess it is common sense. ( I have a good sense for the ones who have Less for the ones who have more and for sure I would not ripp of one who has issues Paying hes bill ) We have enough egoists in this world I think I do not want to be one of them.

I actually never experienced a thing like it happen with bond-ware " There was a glitch at the time with the activation of Poser 11.1 that the licence got corrupted through the setup room " Smith Micro gave me support at the time and removed the activation on my Computer "

This Support will never happen again as we can see. well for the ones who have a legit licence it would not matter how they activate there Poser versions and I guess in such a case one would bet better help from a Hacker then from Bondware.

The thing is also that I am sure that my Personal Info and account with Licence got sold to Bondware then how would they of known and send me a Mail. actually it is Smith micro that would had to give notification but not posersoftware. I have no account there and could not make any. I am not sure how you feel about this but if it is ok for you that your Personal Info is sold out it is your thing , some others do not really like such a facts. ( For me it gives me the feeling that way more got Pirated then just a 3D Product ) If I see one of my Products out there I don't make it a big deal. But this case here is leading that someone is trying to make Profit with my Personal info and Licence. this would sure be an other kind of Piracy but still Piracy.

consumer573 posted at 1:05PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371879

EClark1894 posted at 4:49AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

consumer573 posted at 4:21AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371870

So, in a nod to Ohki, the phone home routine just makes it more of a hassle for legit users the same way raising the price of the software does. And, again, Poser is not a stand alone program. It really depends upon the artist content, and vice versa. Over the long term, why on earth would anyone continue buying hundreds or thousands of dollars of artist content if they had an unreliable program that could quit any day?

Well, one ansewr: If you're online it's transparent to you so you don't care. But then one day you encounter a glitch, maybe you bought a new computer or ipad, or maybe you're in the middle of working on something and exicted to go finish it...and then can't access Poser when you expect to. You go through hoops to get it re-started, maybe half a day, maybe a week, you have to PROVE you're a legit owner (where is that serial number? why doesn't the help desk write back? should I wait or go out now?) and it strikes you how much you've spent as a Dazaholic, or Renderhead, or whatever, and you come to a conclusion: that you're sooo stupid to have bought all that content that could be cut off so easily.

In the current business envrionment, that's when you slap your head and say "I should've gone DAZ!"

So I fight for Poser.

For the record, piracy, even in the real world, does exist. I know people who have stolen cable TV, water, and even electricity. They "jailbreak" Roku to get free streaming. It doesn't make it right.

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Earl, I'm saying I feel bondware is trying to set up a dam to curtail piracy. I believe you can spend that effort, but this is a niche market. Direct the flow rather than set up a dam to get a bigger market for artist products which is where I believe Bondware's real business model is supposed to be, isn't it?

BTW Please don't goad Gate. :) He's passionate.

Not sure if anyone chooses to put in copy protection without reason, its a barrier for paying customers too when it breaks and takes up support time that could be better spent on fixing more useful things. Developing the software takes money. If Poser was free and and new dev was funded by the content market I'd be laughing as I don't buy much content but this approach does not seem good to me. Reducing the amount of money going into dev by dropping the license fee will reduce the number of enhancements and bug fixes so we all lose out in the long term. Maybe there is scope to mix the two approaches, someone who buys x amount of content get's poser free.

Posers user base needs to be expanded. Nothing being argued about on these forums will do that. If I were Bondware, I'd release say, Poser 2012 limited in that it would NOT accept any updates, in the warez groups (along with a "read me" delineating the major advances in later versions.). Yup, that's what I'd do. Some certain percentage of those downloaders will ultimately buy it, it'd be free for Bondware. Call it community outreach. That Poser 2012 isn't going to be bought by anyone today anyway.

EClark1894 posted at 7:50AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

consumer573 posted at 4:21AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371870

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

That was really below the belt.

Here's the history of warez. A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away when programmers wrote programs for the early computers (even before home pc's existed), as soon as they were finished and the program, o.s. or whatever was fully functional, the corporation they were employed by would lock them out of their offices, change the door locks, terminate them and steal their work. Now, in an effort to fight back these aforementioned programmers (worldwide I might add) released their stuff online before the corporation was aware it was finished. Hence "showing my wares" or "warez".

EClark1894 posted at 9:06AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Given that everything ON the site is ripped game models, I would have to say that's a very valid question.

It takes some real brass ones to come into a website, preach a sermon about copy protection, explain how to break copy protection, and then use the very vendors who sell legitimate, LEGAL products as pawns in his little game.

My only question is why does this common thief still have an account here?

movida posted at 10:44AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371886

EClark1894 posted at 7:50AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

consumer573 posted at 4:21AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371870

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

That was really below the belt.

I didn't think so, although to be honest, if he was, I fully expect him not to tell me.

Truly, I think Gate's a good guy. He's really working that Jack Nicholson avatar though. It suits him.

Glitterati3D posted at 3:50PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371888

EClark1894 posted at 9:06AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Given that everything ON the site is ripped game models, I would have to say that's a very valid question.

It takes some real brass ones to come into a website, preach a sermon about copy protection, explain how to break copy protection, and then use the very vendors who sell legitimate, LEGAL products as pawns in his little game.

My only question is why does this common thief still have an account here?

My question would be why does Renderosity allow accusations of this nature on their forums, legally you stand the risk of being prosecuted for Libel.

tparo posted at 11:09AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371894

Glitterati3D posted at 3:50PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371888

EClark1894 posted at 9:06AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Given that everything ON the site is ripped game models, I would have to say that's a very valid question.

It takes some real brass ones to come into a website, preach a sermon about copy protection, explain how to break copy protection, and then use the very vendors who sell legitimate, LEGAL products as pawns in his little game.

My only question is why does this common thief still have an account here?

My question would be why does Renderosity allow accusations of this nature on their forums, legally you stand the risk of being prosecuted for Libel.

Bring it. See you in court.

Glitterati3D posted at 4:11PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371898

tparo posted at 11:09AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371894

Glitterati3D posted at 3:50PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371888

EClark1894 posted at 9:06AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Given that everything ON the site is ripped game models, I would have to say that's a very valid question.

It takes some real brass ones to come into a website, preach a sermon about copy protection, explain how to break copy protection, and then use the very vendors who sell legitimate, LEGAL products as pawns in his little game.

My only question is why does this common thief still have an account here?

My question would be why does Renderosity allow accusations of this nature on their forums, legally you stand the risk of being prosecuted for Libel.

Bring it. See you in court.

Why me? What do you think I have done that would land me in court.

tparo posted at 11:36AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371899

Glitterati3D posted at 4:11PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371898

tparo posted at 11:09AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371894

Glitterati3D posted at 3:50PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371888

EClark1894 posted at 9:06AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Given that everything ON the site is ripped game models, I would have to say that's a very valid question.

It takes some real brass ones to come into a website, preach a sermon about copy protection, explain how to break copy protection, and then use the very vendors who sell legitimate, LEGAL products as pawns in his little game.

My only question is why does this common thief still have an account here?

My question would be why does Renderosity allow accusations of this nature on their forums, legally you stand the risk of being prosecuted for Libel.

Bring it. See you in court.

Why me? What do you think I have done that would land me in court.

You're the one who brought it up. Or were you just shooting off your mouth with no intention of backing it up?

I was simple pointing out that accusations of the kind you made are not only offensive but also can lead to legal prosecutions. I don't know where you are from but in my country people are innocent until proven guilty. Why are you so very aggressive towards some posters. I should have known better than to have posted here, your venom spoils it for a lot of people and I really wonder if you realise how much harm you do Renderosity along with Poser. Such insulting hostile behavior must scare off potential customers and newcomers, it certainly puts me off learning and using Poser more.

Why would what Tracy thinks and says keep you from learning and using Poser? I have some issues with DAZ and with DS, itself, but nothing anyone who uses it, says, thinks or feels, would put me off using and learning it.

Glitterati3D posted at 5:36PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371888

EClark1894 posted at 9:06AM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371875

BTW, gate, I do have you listed in my Directory as a vendor owned website. Considering how you obviously feel about paying for stuff, do you pay for that website, or is it pirated?

Given that everything ON the site is ripped game models, I would have to say that's a very valid question.

It takes some real brass ones to come into a website, preach a sermon about copy protection, explain how to break copy protection, and then use the very vendors who sell legitimate, LEGAL products as pawns in his little game.

My only question is why does this common thief still have an account here

I guess it is because it is only you that is pretending such , I know that you have for whatever reason some issues with me and I do not ask that you have to like me or have an affair with me , for sure a witch hunt would not be very appropriate for your frustrations . If I really were like you pretend such a Mafiosi then I probably would be your worst nightmare . I Probably am already your Nightmare but it is what you are making out of it :)

the easy way to argue is to say, Frow em out, get rid of them , Kill them ... but will you be able to hold the gun , or are you the one who tries to tell others to do so? I forgive you Glitterati3D as you are no match wen it comes to arguments you never were.

@ Glitterati3D I guess you hang around at DA TA FR CG now tell me if Fan Art would be as illegal as you Pretend would they still be here ? would renderosity be here ? would Daz still runn he's site. I guess not ! they would shut down Poser shut down DS and most of these Sites .. you should not frequent such places as hey ... they have fan Art and it is Ilegal .. they are all Pirates you know ! exploitation of the world that is how Humans are !

tparo posted at 12:37PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371904

I was simple pointing out that accusations of the kind you made are not only offensive but also can lead to legal prosecutions. I don't know where you are from but in my country people are innocent until proven guilty. Why are you so very aggressive towards some posters. I should have known better than to have posted here, your venom spoils it for a lot of people and I really wonder if you realise how much harm you do Renderosity along with Poser. Such insulting hostile behavior must scare off potential customers and newcomers, it certainly puts me off learning and using Poser more.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha, your dislike for Poser and Poser users has been loud and clear for years.

I don't know who you think you're fooling but this isn't the Hivewire forums.

Actually all these arguments that at the end will just be some forgotten notes in a forum are eating up allot of time that I could use to make some models. since all the changes I sure lost allot of time and spend more time in here then on creativity. I guess it is the worries a loss of trust on the ones who have Poser. there is allot to loose actually more then could be gained, as no one hears you Bondware as well Smith Micro do not really care.

@ EClark1894 I also have my issues with DS and actually having a hard time " Moral " to get into it ... I have a little basic in it as I had to check how it worked to make sure what is compatible. Meanwhile I got the Installers so I can get over it and spend once in a while an eye on it. Sure there might be some restrictions compared to Poser but like in Poser it can be solved as I also had to figure out some alternative actions to improve the modeling . It is not the Program it is me " Stubborn sitting on Poser " Life is a learning process and if a change would solve problems and issues why not ? at least if I give it a shoot I can keep it aside so if I ever would jump it would not be to high , I would know the basics and not end up into frustrations ....

Hey we have to admit some of there models look awesome Poser can't give any match at the moment and will probably not be able to catch up on what is offered we just have to face reality, not letting things get old like we are but get you younger thing to keep us young . If a Fundament gets destroyed it will not be possible to build a House on it. Keeping the Older poser versions to make things DS can not like a Plugin to export them as Daz models like with other Programs it is all only a question about willing to learn and find alternative ways if something does not work anymore the way we were used to it.

Glitterati3D posted at 6:21PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371916

tparo posted at 12:37PM Sun, 01 December 2019 - #4371904

I was simple pointing out that accusations of the kind you made are not only offensive but also can lead to legal prosecutions. I don't know where you are from but in my country people are innocent until proven guilty. Why are you so very aggressive towards some posters. I should have known better than to have posted here, your venom spoils it for a lot of people and I really wonder if you realise how much harm you do Renderosity along with Poser. Such insulting hostile behavior must scare off potential customers and newcomers, it certainly puts me off learning and using Poser more.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha, your dislike for Poser and Poser users has been loud and clear for years.

I don't know who you think you're fooling but this isn't the Hivewire forums.

I dislike Poser because I struggle with it I have several version of Poser, 8, 9, 10 and 11 everytime I hope I will be able to figure it out but the most basic things seem like a struggle, I'm unlikely to be asking for help when I get attacked everytime I post in the Poser forums, and I don't see what Hivewire has to do with anything.

@Glitterati3D I think based on your arguments that you rather try to Flame then to be of any part of a Discussion , I am not sure what your aiming is. sure you can cause that a thread gets closed but that is not very Productive at any means it is just Primitive. compared to most with some little exceptions you have not brought up any reasonable text concerning any of the Arguments or thoughts in here. It is not the first time I have seen you act this way as soon as you get the feeling that it is not in your interest you start to attack and Provocate Members of the forums. I remember that this method was common in here a few years ago for the ones who tried to get a thread shut down but for sure it is not the right solution.

there are many concerns in such threads , thoughts of People who take there time to write them down , not saying that they are wrong or right but they might be Important for some . Also I might be wrong I might be right , it does not matter they are thought arguments and there is no need for someone who tries to destroy it all in any possible way. I do not believe that you are a Borderline that actually would be excused for hes behavior.

I think the value of this thread has come to an end. closing before it gets any more heated.

for information's sake...we didn't START The Poser software calling home. That has been in place since Poser Pro 2014. And we intend to continue it. There is a path to extend the time allowed before the software is required to phone home again. But otherwise this is what it is and will not be changing.