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Someone has been giving us bad information. We've been told that DAZ posted a statement concerning The Tailor in FAQ number 49. DAZ doesn't number their FAQ's. So just which version of the DAZ FAQ have these people read?!

Its at PoserPros. There has been alot of misinformation lately from what I have seen. Ron

Ron K. Read the answers to the question about second-stage derivitive models, it's near the top of the page 4th question down I think. Rob

You miss the point. In the "Anti-Tailor" directives, FAQ #49 is listed.. as describing how The Tailor can circumvent DAZ's copyrights. A direct read of the DAZ FAQ shows no numbering of FAQ's whatsoever. That means the quoted reference is not correct. DAZ has made no public announcement about moving its official FAQ to any other location than its own site. Are we expected to do a scavenger hunt every time we want to make sure we're "legal?!" NO

One of the simplest ways to create a derivative model is to convert a DAZ model (typically OBJ format) to another non-Poser format, and distribute that. Beyond this, a DAZ model may be altered by adding and/or removing geometry in order to create a derivative work. Even more difficult for most users to recognize, but still detectable to trained modelers, are methods involving tools that can create a derivative mesh without transferring the polygonal layout of the original. (Many of these methods can result in a mesh which seems legitimate, often with no vertices coincidental with the original. These types of tools/methods may include: NURBS/poly conversions, subdivision/smoothing or triangulation operations, de-resing, shrink-wrapping/fitting and randomization operations.) The distribution of models created using any of the above examples is strictly prohibited, and none of these methods will result in a mesh that is not still subject to DAZ's copyright. If you have any further questions about creating add-on or derivative products please contact DAZ before beginning work, as you will not be compensated for the work you have done if found in violation of DAZ's legal agreement. And if you're aware of a mesh that doesn't require but may be derived from a DAZ product, please let us know. We'd love to check it out. It takes quite a while to model a piece of clothing for the m2 figures....not, a simple process like the tailor. This is the part that has many, myself included....understandably upset. Especially, since I did not even get the tailor...thinking it was somehow, not "kosher".

The Tailor had better "be kosher," since DAZ now has exclusive selling rights. Personally I think DAZ realized that Tailor was a threat, and negotiated the deal with Codetwister. DAZ has stated that they'd be willing to workout just such deals with people who might be seen as violating DAZ policy. By the way, the quote you made is not the one DAZ uses when talking about Tailored clothes. Or it is not the whole quote.

that's the part of the quote that would apply to me. i use nurbs. this is the part that would apply to pokeydots, thip, and a number of others who have voiced concerns, as well.

the use of tailor itself is not in any way violating any legal arrangements DAZ may have, and the availability of it does not pose any threat at all to DAZ. The deal was likely in the best interests of both parties. Nor is using Tailor a violation of DAZ policy, as tailoring a figures clothes only encourages more production, which in turn encourages sales of their millenium figures and other products. While I dont use tailor personally, it is still a very legal program and DAZ has no issues with it's use or sale. The problem here is simply distributing the clothing items you make, either for sale or for free, for a m2 figure. In this way you are distributing a portion of the m2 figures cr2 file, which in fact is strictly against the license. Using tailor on non m2 figures causes no problems, and you are still free to use it on m2 figures FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL use. You simply just cant go around giving it to everyone else when your done. This not only makes it possible to copy morphs from a tailored set to give other figures the m2 morphs, it also can be considered a workaround to actually buying tailor yourself. To get around any DAZ issue regarding tailor, simply stop giving all your stuff away. And if your worried about legal action, just pull it when DAZ coimplains and nothing will happen. If you just suck as an artist and dont need tailor to make your own renders, then just dont buy the damn thing. Using Tailor to distribute morphs you did not create is no different than buying a photorealistic texture from the store, copy/pasting parts of it to another texture map, and then distributing it for free.

But you see, DAZ sells a morphing clothing pack, which has the bodysuit, which has the morphs that someone could transfer from Mike 2 to Mike 1, therefore circumventing the need to buy Mike 1. Or Mike 1 can "dress up" to look somewhat like Mike 2. Tailor is not sold as a vessel to transport illegal morphs. Instead, it is a godsend to those of us who have characters who had no clothes. Again, you ignore the very important fact that DAZ is only now complaining about the Tailor, 4+ months after its release.

The tailor is a wonderful software, if you use it right. There is no problem in using the tailor for your own use. But if you give a tailored Morph away, it can even be Re-Tailored. I transfer the morphes of Mike2 to a bodysuite, put this suit into the net and you tailor the morphes back to Mike 1.0. You will get a less perfect version, but you will get a version anyway. This can damage DAZs business, especially since they recycle the millennium meshes in many, many products. It's not important why DAZ waited until now befor they addressed the tailor issue. But they should do if they want to stay in business, or they have to create new meshes for every new figure, which would make the process more expensive and less versatile.

"Personally I think DAZ realized that Tailor was a threat, and negotiated the deal with Codetwister." From what I know, Daz didn't go to Codetwister at all. A friend of Codetwister's suggested he submit it to Daz. Ron, you make it sound like Daz was doing something funny by "acquiring" Tailor as an exclusive. I very much think you are wrong.

You know, I had a thought this morning (and it is only a thought) but what if the stance that DAZ has on the Tailor has NOTHING to do with the Poser Community, but actually be the result of something that has occurred outside of the Community like on Turbo Squid or something? DAZ has allot of people, who aren't even a member in any Poser Community and one of them... or some warez kitty might've been creating product for sale or free elsewhere that created this stance... Just a thought... Jack

What the tailor does is not unique. There are a lot of tools in the high-price area which can do the same thing. They are not illegal, neither is the Tailor. If DAZ wanted to banish the tailor, they could have talked to codetwister to changed the licence in a way that does not allow to share tailored items. I do not think they tried to, since the tailor is a two-bladed sword - it can help to sell more products and can help to make products obsolete.

well, as sooin as i figger out tailor, i will e using it for its intended purpose only, making clothes fit.

Kiru - making clothes fit may, unfortunately, be in violation of DAZ EULA. To quote : ""Derivative works" also refers to most of the methods that may be used to create a "new" mesh around an existing model." Whether you use automated or manual methods you have to make your clothes fit, of course - as an example, how could one otherwise make garments like the above ? It's just that the more your clothes fit, the more the EULA seems to deem them suspicious. Still waiting and hoping that DAZ will call me a fool.

heyas; well, that's nonsense. if i make a shirt, say, for michael, and i use the tailor to give it morphs so it will fit michael 2's body morphs.... that is NOT a violation of anything that daz owns. it's my mesh, it's my morphs, and that doesn't have anything to do with their proprietary m2 morph information. okay, now if i take a daz clothing pack shirt, and i make m2 morphs for it.... now it used to be that was fine. doesn't matter if i use tailor, or poser magnets, or freekin maya, i can make morphs for clothing and distribute them. now all of a sudden, since it is so easy with tailor, this is illegal? now there was that point about making one human sorta morph into another human.... like that example of using tailor to put smv morphs on v1 or v2, and selling/giving away those morphs. now this i can see might be a problem. so.... where's the link to the poserpros faq, then? i hope it isn't in a members-only area.

Attached Link: http://www.poserpros.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2316&highlight=

Their original post is at the link Bloodsong...the word "faq" is a bit misleading. He just used that in his topic, they don't have an actual "faq" page or anything. I think links to it keep getting deleted by mods here so I hope this is left alone. You don't need to be a member to read posts in that section.

well, i can read it, but not reply. i found this part questionable: steve says: "The only thing DAZ considers unfair, and therefore illegal, is when someone creates a character that then makes it possible for people to truly benefit from the Millennium Figures CR2 contents without having to purchase the Millennium Figure itself." firstly, when is 'fair' synonymous with 'legal'? (or 'unfair' with 'illegal'?) you can't just decide things like 'well, making a free product that competes with my for-sale product is unfair, so that is illegal.' now they want to copyright their mesh -- that's fine. they want to copyright their version 2 cr2's (ie: the morphs), okay, i can see that. and then yes, copying parts of the mesh, or the ver 2 morph code would be a copyright violation. however, the tailor does neither of these things. therefore, i don't see what's so all-fired 'illegal.' unfair? maybe. yeah, hey, i can get somebody's body suit that makes my skinny michael look like he has m2 morphs. big deal. i can't make any variants of the suit; none of those cool transparency things (after all, the m1 body under it doesn't fit into the m2-morphed suit, so they won't fit right). you cant stick vv or smv bikinis on victoria 1, cuz they'll... well heck, they'll fall off! i also see on the thread that the fear of reverse-engineering is also possibly over stated. you could, theoretically, get a (free) morphing michael body suit, and make the tailor try to match your m1 figure to the clothing's m2 morph. and come up with an approximation of the m2 morphs on your m1 figure. but according to tailor users, the result would be very crude and not at all a threat to the salability of michael and his version 2 morphs. i think daz has to sit down with this, and define what, exactly, is really illegal about anything going on, here.