ok, have added those. taking a break. the genres are getting lengthy. :)

I'd like to see a gallery called "Pure Poser" for those of us who prefer the challenge of working strictly within Poser for renders without postwork. If not a complete gallery, at least a genre would help, as all of my images could go there. As for Genres, add my vote to these: Sci-Fi - Fantasy Sci-Fi - Techno Sci-Fi - People Sci-Fi - Aliens Fantasy - People Fantasy - Creatures Fantasy - Environments Fantasy - Medieval Fantasy - Combat Period - Egyptian Period - Greek Period - Roman Period - Samurai

Thank you very much for listening to people and acting so fast! On the comment for multiple genres, I think it would be nice, but has to be limited some way, because if not, anyone could just list the image in all categories, which will make this great feature useless. For example, three genres the most. It feels really good to know members are heard! Thank you!

I think we can get subject happy...we can't have a subject heading for everybody's whims or you'll end up with a giant list that's impossible to sort through. I'm sorry, Ron, but you can post to the Poser gallery without indicating a genry....a "Pure Poser" genre would be a redundancy that would lead to each software wanting a "Pure" listing and a long menu with no good purpose. The rest of the listings you suggested seem to be finetuning too much...you will end up with galleries with one picture in them. I hope we use some common sense in requesting categories or the whole thing will collapse under the weight of excess demands. My viewpoint, as always. If we searched by keywords, your suggestions would make sense, but as it is, I just think it goes a little too far.

At this time we will not have multiple genres such as listed above it would be too many genres for this beginning stage. thanks for your feedback tammy

Dialyn - FYI there already ARE Bryce, Photoshop and other galleries, but seems that folks would rather be in the Poser gallery even if they really should be in "Mixed Media" or something else. I for one am tired of wading though heavily postworked images, bryce renders, vue renders, etc. when what I want is to see what real POSER artists can do. So since the Poser gallery has been overrun by non-Poser stuff, I think a "Pure Poser" category is badly needed, because not everybody thinks alike, and there is room for all - so why put down anybody who doesn't think like you?

ron, gallery topics (Poser, etc.) are created based on member interest. if you take into the community improvement forum and get a good response for a pure poser gallery, then we would consider it. thanks tammy

I'm not putting you down. I was just offering my view. I said it was my opinion and my opinion alone. I rather expect no one to agree with me...that's okay. I admire the fact that you can create something worthwhile using only Poser. But I think if there is a Pure Poser genre, then each and every other software should also have a Pure choice because often Vue and Bryce are used in combination with other software. The would be fair and equitable. It also would get to be cumbersome. No insult there. Just equity. And disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm putting you down. I respect your sincerity. I just don't see it is necessary. That's all. My opinion.

I have updated some pictures and have discovered that they doesn't appear under the respective gender, Why?, because they are older than 30 days, so is nonsense to update older pictures, so I updated only my 4 newest pictures.

Thanks Tammy - I just didn't know the proper place to make the request. I admit it is a very tough job to create categories for images that will cover all situations. I've written several database utilities and run across the same problem no matter whether it was categorizing music CDs or Films or Video clips - there are no easy answers - and I usually end up with a dual category system - a Main category (very broad groups) and then a sub category. I know that is not feasable here, but I appreciate all your efforts to be as accommodating as possible.

I'd put it in humor, myself...but I'm weird that way. ;)

Animal porn? Oh wait, that's not a category yet... :) I would think animals, humor, pinups or glamour, depending on the audience you want to attract. Probably the first two though are better choices admittedly. dialyn, I thought I was the only weird one...

kawecki,
While it's true they won't show up in any gender under the 30 days deal, they will show up in the other Sort By categories, so you may want to still consider entering those into a genre.

I hadn't thought of pinups or glamour...It is a very pretty p...uh, kitty. :)

Thanks TammyC for your response. I went ahead and catagorized my images. Frankly it wasn't so bad after all.

ron,
I don't think it would be a bad idea to flag pure [insert renderer here] but I don't think all those images should be in a Pure [insert renderer here] gallery. The problem is that every category has that same issue, not just poser. If you did as you mentioned and everyone who used postwork posted to Mixed Media, I'd venture to say 3/4 of the gallery if not more would wind up in Mixed Media. Then you'd have Mixed Media and Other. Course I guess that would simplify things (grin). Maybe a flag like nudity would be something for the admins to consider. Otherwise, I think it should be left the way it is. Besides, is there really that many true 100% Poser images?? I have been guilty of what you are talking about, but usually only post in Poser when I think it is the heart of the image's creation, rather than just a small part and most of the time I do post in Mixed Media.

My 2c
ShadowWind

PS Ron, I was very impressed with what you can do straight out of Poser...Kudos. Great images...

I don't do any kind of postwork, once rendered the picture remains as it is. I don't put any restriction to the rendering engine that I can use, but almost all my work was rendered with Poser 4.

Thanks ShadowWind - That is all old stuff and not that good compared to what I am doing now with Poser 5. I just don't post anymore because I don't feel that my work is appreciated for what it is, or that others with my similar interest can find it even if they wanted to. Poser is a really great tool that only about 10% of the people here actually know how to use properly. The rest just bad-mouth it (to the point of putting CL out of business) because they are too lazy to learn to use it properly. They would rather rough-out a scene in Poser then carry it to Bryce, Vue, Photoshop for completion. Thats all fine, but please don't call it Poser work - it may be art... it may be GREAT art... but it isn't Poser Art. I find it so strange that this whole community, galleries, forums, marketplace.. all of it is focused on Poser, yet NOWHERE can you go to find exclusive images representative of what Poser can do. Maybe if we had such a place, more people would be inspired to learn more about Poser, and might spend more time sharing that knowledge and less time berating an artist for his choice of tool. As far as the argument for "Pure Bryce" or "Pure Vue" - I don't see why they would want it, they ALREADY HAVE the Poser gallery to call their own.

I posted images tonight and nearly went nuts trying to find the right genre. I think you have too many. Some can be consolidated. Examples: the Faeries genre could just as easily fall under Fantasy and Pinups could fall under Glamour. Just adding my 2 cents.

I went through my gallery, and assigned all my pics to their appropriate genre and program. However, they do not show up under the genres!!! help?

Is there a way to get your entire gallery deleted in on hit? I simply do Not have the time on a 56K dial up to go through 42 pages and edit each one of the images on those pages. I would rather start with a clean slate. Besides my earlier stuff is a bit suspect.. ;) Helen

Does this mean I have to upload all 56 images (again) in my gallery just to fit it into a genre?

Zhann go to your gallery each of your thumbnails has an edit button. You can choose your genre there. You don't have to upload the images again.

Tammy and the folks, thanks for this improvement. I was a bit doubtful but, having played with it, I reckon it's going to work out great. Editing my pics, it was much easier than I expected to figure out what goes where, too. Great work and impressively responsive :-)

I would love a "Pure Poser" too. I usually leave my renders as pure poser, unless I specifically want a post work effect. When I first started posting here, I thought you HAD to use ONLY Poser in the Poser gallery L Well I soon found out this wasn't the case. Then I posted 2 identical images in 2 different forums, and the one in the Bryce Forum got virtually NO hits compared to the one in the Poser forum. Guess where I am posting? ;o) Point is, people post in the Poser forum as soon as there's a hint of a Poser thing on the picture, becourse it's the forum that is viewed the most. But it does NOT show what you can really do with Poser and the necessary skill (which I do NOT claim to have btw) Couldn't there just be a "Pure" category. I mean, you are allready sorting pictures by the app used, so a "pure" category could be used for both pure Poser, pure Bryce, pure Vue and so on images without them necessarily being mixed among each other. Just sort on BOTH Software AND genre, and you would get pure images from whatever app you chose :o) phew, this was more than 2...make that 5 cents from me.

I just noticed that there isn't a category for generic objects... I don't want to add another category, but where can one put a camera, a cuckoo clock, a chessboard, a bottle or a tyre...? I'm not an artist, I'm a modeller, and I suppose I'm not the only one...

Couldn't there just be a "Pure" category. I mean, you are allready sorting pictures by the app used, so a "pure" category could be used for both pure Poser, pure Bryce, pure Vue and so on images without them necessarily being mixed among each other. Just sort on BOTH Software AND genre, and you would get pure images from whatever app you chose :o)==============>that makes a lot of sense, ernyoka1. I have to admit, the reason this seemed less important to me is that I only render in Poser, having nothing else to render in, so the purity aspect didn't strike me as particularly unusual (personal bias enters into these things), but it clearly is important to part of the community. People may prefer to categorize on purity of software use rather than a general theme when it that is an important issue to them.

Frankly, I'm having a terrible time with the genres. A lot of my graphics are Scenes...little dramatic pieces. Not still lifes. Not landscapes. Not figures studies. What genre is there for that???

jgeorge has a point too...the models he describes don't fit in the existing categories.

I still see this as an ongoing process. They had to start somewhere. Now that the start has been made, refinements can be made. The administrators might want to take a look and see what subject headings aren't being used and reevaluate their need or if the naming is causing a confusion (What is household?? What is environment? What is macro? Should we have landscape?) A list of definitions of some of these areas might help. Or not. Since we are assigning ourselves to the genres, it's always going to be hit or miss in consistency.

But I'm saving the rest of my sorting for the weekend when my headache goes away.

Lots to think about. I'm glad I'm not in charge of sorting all this out.

P.S. Since we are talking about potential genres, here's another one for the list. I don't know whether or not the writers can get their own gallery but, if not, what about a "story" or some such genre for people who combine graphics with prose or poetry, or for graphics that tell a story.

1. the genres are still too limited in range overall I feel and we most definitely need to be able to select more than one genre option. 2. - and more importantly On a dialup connection this is going to take ages - not withstanding should I be using my newer laptop with the 56 modem...gawd help me on the 33 modem'd dekstop PC I have! Renderosity has been running very slow of late as a whole and has a bad case of the red-x's in the galleries at present. This happens even at work where I have access to an ADSL line so it's not just my crappy computers at home. The rendo' site doesn't load properly, simple as that. The edit/upload function should take you directly to your personal gallery not the main gallery (such as digital comics in my case). This is because if I were to be setting the genre's and editing everyone of my images I have to then ctrl-v the gallery URL again in the browser and have it reload everything in order to do the next image. So far I have genred 3 images and already it's a major pain in the butt to do this. So I for one have decided not to continue with the genre feature for old images but will do so for new stuff from now on -maybe. cheers Sean

It would be nice for the edit function to return to our gallery page. Save alot of time there. Cant speak for the other stuff. Some days the site is VERY slow, and some days it isn't. (DSL)

The physical process of editing the images presents no problem, this is an opportunity for individual artists to evaluate and categorise their work into genre if they wish to, there is not compulsion to do so. "I find it so strange that this whole community, galleries, forums, marketplace.. all of it is focused on Poser,....." Patently not true unless one only sees Renderosity as a Poser site? which I do not! there are plenty of people here that would not touch Poser with a barge pole. "As far as the argument for "Pure Bryce" or "Pure Vue" - I don't see why they would want it, they ALREADY HAVE the Poser gallery to call their own." This statement is insulting to artists that do produce images specific to he software they use and post in the designated gallery for that software. Half of my work could be placed into a Pure Bryce gallery and shocking though it may seem, I have no interest in infiltrating the Poser gallery for any reason whatsoever. The main question is do we wish to direct / lead viewers to an image that speaks for itself as a tangible production of our creative vision or a technical exercise on how clever we are at using a bit of software? This new facility will help most folks navigate their way to what interests them. I could come up with many reasons why I don't get more viewing of and more understanding as to how I create my work. Ultimately it is about the knowledge of the viewer, not the systems of classification. I reiterate my feeling that this is a good move for the community at large, especially for non posting visitors and newcomer's. It will always be in a general sense that any work can be put into a category but as no two artists are the same no amount of sub-division of genre will lead everyone to my doorstep. Nice work team! I am sure this facility will evolve into a indispensable tool for all that visit. A small rider as I am now many posts behind... I do think that Modelling would be a legitimate genre, there are many fine and instructive images posted of objects that are complete in themselves as studies in the creation of models.

Sorry, but I have another 2 cents to add. Personally, I think the galleries were working fine as they were. If it wasn't broken, why fix it? Most artwork can easily fall under many catagories, not just one. Do we then post an image under each genre it falls under? It doesn't make much sense to have to micro-catagorize your images in an open gallery like this.

Hi there! dialyn. "I don't know whether or not the writers can get their own gallery but, if not, what about a "story" or some such genre for people who combine graphics with prose or poetry, or for graphics that tell a story." So far I have classified postings like this under Illustration I am hard pressed to think of any other description, unless it could be called * Narrative Art*?, though I have a feeling that won't go down to well either! When you get a new thinking cap can I have the old one? it is something I really covet! Cheers!

One more thing! The last posting in my gallery was on the 10th. After a week viewing tends to fade out. There has been a small surge in the viewing numbers since I categorised my images yesterday. I wonder why?

What goes into the "Macro" category? And you left out an obvious category: "Political". You have a "Flowers/ Plants" category, but two separate categories for "Animals" and "Creatures". Why not combine the two to become "Animals/ Creatures"? And if I wanted to do a funny Star Trek picture, would that be "humor", "science fiction" or "film"? I would like to be able to select mutliple categories, so when people do a search for either science fiction or humor, they see my picture.

I just found another 2 cents in my pocket, sorry, but I think this is a good one! After thinking about it one more time, the genres are o.k. IF all artwork is treated as artwork. What I mean is no more Poser gallery, no more Bryce gallery, etc.. but just one big art gallery divided by the generes. Perhaps a dropdown tab for 'Tools Used' if you want to specify what software and/or hand tools you used. What do you all think?

A checklist of "Tools Used" might be better, since a lot of people use more than one software to create their graphics. On the other hand, a lot of people seem attached to the idea of software galleries....not sure how this would go over. I like it but that's usually a bad sign.

Actually, one problem that would solve is the discontent some people have over the fact that their favorite software doesn't have a gallery of its own. Photoshop could be a choice and so could Paint Shop Pro. Wings 3D could be a choice and so could Amni8or. And whatever else would be using. You could just check one, as you say, for the "pure" Poser or Bryce or Vue user; or you could check a combination of Poser and Bryce and Paint Shop Pro (for an example) if you want to see how they can be used in combination. It would be most cool. Nice idea, Remo. But is it too complicated for the idle browsing?

Ron,
I didn't say there shouldn't be a system by which pure images shouldn't be flagged, I just don't think it should be it's own gallery because of what dialyn said about a gallery for each. I think a checkbox that could be used as a filter would solve the problem of Pure in all galleries. This way you'd get the benefit of the popularity of the Poser gallery for those that want to look at art that Poser had a hand in, as well benefitting the people who want to look at pure Poser art by itself. Having a gallery would also cause people to wind up posting pictures twice when their image got slashed on views and so it would just double the number of images, where with a flag, it wouldn't.

Just a hint Ron and you can take it for what it's worth, but lashing out at the Poser community for creating art that is not 100% Poser is not the way to garnish support for anything.

Believe me, I understand your frustration about not being appreciated sometimes for how much work goes into an image. Even though I guess I'm on the "laziness" list according to you, if you check my gallery you will see that I do a lot of handpainted from scratch images. I have to compete with the Poser gallery. I was even asked once, what texture I used on one of my painted portraits. So yeah, I get it, but also I realize that in the end, it's the image that people see, not how you got there or how well you know how to manipulate any given program.

To me though, 100% Poser is really just Dork on an untextured cube. With the exception of animation, which requires render only imagery, still images are always going to be inherently mixed media, whether prework (models, painted textures) or postwork is done on them. I would think the goal of any artist is not to show prowness in the program, but to make the best image they possibly can given the tools and skills they have to work with. That's certainly my goal. Let us also not forget that most hair models and such cost money so if someone can draw whatever hair style is appropriate rather than buying one for each, that's all the more reason to learn postwork (not to mention getting just the look you want).

I kinda resent the fact that I am called lazy because I use postwork in my images. Most of my gallery takes upward to 30-40 hours (including many of the 3D images), combining resources from several programs I have learned (not mastered I'll admit). I work as hard as anyone on my artwork, so please don't say I'm lazy because I choose, like others, not to limit my artwork to what the renderer can produce. It is what is added by my own hand that makes an image have the ShadowWind touch. I think that the Poser artists that you seem to refer to like ToxicAngel and Voodoo and others, do know the program very well, but also know that their vision would be stifled by it's limitations. Heck up until Poser 5, Poser 4 had no reflections even...

Poser has a wide berth as to the interest. For some, it's not what program rendered it, but what new texture, model, prop, figure was available in Poser. Unique poses and situations are another. People see Poser as a tool and while there are the purists, a majority looks at the image in either the art itself or the parts used in the image that they may be interested in getting themselves. And Mixed Media, despite popular opinion, is actually more intune to traditional versus digital, rather than cross 3D platforms.

So while I resent the implications you've made Ron in your comment about laziness and how a Poser artist is more qualified by only using Poser, I would support some sort of flag for "pure" images, but not a gallery...

ShadowWind

PS: You want to know something ironic, there has been numerous discussions trying to get the Poser users out of the other galleries. Go figure. Can't we all just...get along...

John,
I think Tammy said in another thread that there was going to be a search as well, but they haven't got to it yet, so this is still a work in progress for them. The gallery genre is not going to solve the chaos, but just another avenue for people to look for work they are interested in.

While Animals of course can be considered creatures, the word creature generally refers to those of the out of this world variety, monsters, mermaids, dragons, imps, trolls, goblins. Maybe the 'Mythical Creatures' title would have kept that clearer, although judging from what has been posted in Creatures, the meaning is pretty much understood. Fantasy was too broad a category because it can cover lots of different meanings (sexual, medieval, mythical) and so in answer to the trend, I suggested the Creature category for those artists that want to do fantasy creature art without getting buried by Naked Vicky in a Temple and pinups that are perhaps sensual fantasy, but not always mythical fantasy.

I agree that Glamour and Pinup should probably be one category. I don't agree that Faeries should be under the pinup/glamour category. I think there is enough interest in that part of the community to warrant it's own category. I agree on a Generic and/or Modeled object category, because many images in the Lightwave and Rhino gallery are about artists showing off their models.

ShadowWind

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I am one of those that kinda like the gallery to be divided by software for a couple of reasons. The galleries complement their given forums where people can get help. Also if someone posts an image in Poser, they can hope to get feedback from those that also use that same software. A big part of Rosity is the learning aspect. The other reason is that Rosity's separation of the galleries helps people learn what is new/available for a particular software. I often look through the specific galleries to see what is being done or is out for that particular software and many times have purchased because of this, so it serves as a marketing tool for Rosity to have them separated.

IMHO, I think the software galleries should not be trashed for 20/30 sofware checkboxes. Remember, by making it too hard or too specific, people won't get any views at all.

I understand. It's trying to find a solution that would satisfy more people. I've run out of ideas. Everything seems to be too complicated, or to leave someone out. I have to admit that I learn more from the forums than from the galleries. Once in awhile a person will share a technique on the galleries, but most often they just post the graphic and that's it. The forums are easier to find tutorials on. Because I'm an idiot, I can't stare at a graphic and figure out for myself what a person did...especially when they have done extensive postwork (which I admire, by the way...I am not a Poser purist). Oh well. Time for me to quit trying to come up with solutions. My brain well has run dry.

Completely agree with ShadowWind!!! Please don't discard software-specific galleries, I think they're the core of the internal traffic in R'osity.

I don't think the idea was to eliminate software-specific galleries....not really. You could still designate your graphic as Poser or Bryce or Vue or whatever. It's all just a sorting mechanisim. But if I happen to like to view Poser graphics that have been postworked...how do I sort them out from the people who don't do any postwork? I think postwork is artistic. Other people think it is cheating. How to you sort so that both groups will be happy? Can you sort so both groups will be happy? If you put the postworked Poser graphics in Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro or another 2D gallery, then those folks complain because they only want art that originates from Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro or their 2D software of choice, and they don't like Poser intruding on their artwork. So it appears that very little in the way of negotiation is possible since everyone wants something different. Or so it appears. I guess that's human nature. This is a database of graphics, when it comes down to it. So all we are doing is shuffling and reshuffling the database. Nothing is fixed to a wall. These are just suggestions so that people have different ways of viewing depending on their preferences. Fortunately I'm not in a decision making position and thank goodness I don't have to make anyone except my Lhasa Apso and two cats happy. And they are.

Thanks for the feedback. First to answer some members questions on why their images are not showing up in the what's new once they move over. If it was uploaded over 30 days ago, then it will not display within the what's new, but it will display in the other sort by areas. Trying to determine these genres...we are merging some together. Pinups is merged into Glamour Children is merged into People Film is renamed to Film/TV Nature is renamed to Nature/Landscape Environment is merged into Nature/Landscape Outer Space is renamed to Space Household renamed to Home Photography has been removed. Added: Political Story Modeling Objects thanks tammy

Thank you! This really helps.

It may be already posted, but there are so many post, and such short time...so please forgive me if I'm repeating someone. WE NEED A LANDSCAPE GENRE!...please ;o) "Enviroment" is too vague, if landscape does indeed fit into that genre; I don't know what is meant "Enviroment", although landscape works could also fit into "Nature", as could "Flowers/Plants"...and "Animals"... I need to lay down, my mind is a mess and I'm all confused ;o) Cheers