Hey....guess what, edgeloops apply even in a NURBs based program! Who knew?

hey now, thats what i call organic modeling! Teyon mind if i ask about the eyes? cut and blended right? is that more efficent than adding iso's across the entire head?

Absolutely GORGEOUS Teyon, really beautiful work - Baz

Thanks! Poisen, yes, it's cleaner and overall a better way to go.

i need some screws for my lower jaw to keep it from falling to the ground every time i see one of your new models. Words don't give justice to how cool that is.

She's gorgeous

Thank you everyone. :) So, I am nearly done with her upper torso/head area. I stll need to fix the belly button (it seems it wasn't as fixed as I thought it was the first time). I realized that because she has no arms or shoulders, her chest seems larger than it is, this will change once I get the arms in there...you'll see she actually has normal sized breasts. :) At the moment, I can't look at her without thinking of "Legend". She reminds me of the male character with the bow...what was his name? Gump or something. Anyway, she reminds me of him right now. Everything is attached. I decided to leave the eyelids the way they were. Moving on to the arms.

I'm not thrilled with her ears but once I figure out how to make her some hair, I think the offending parts may be covered up some.

very nice :) looking forward to the next update oh, and if you figure out a good way to make hair, please share it :)

Wow, you da man!! Every model you post is inspiring.

wow! i didnt think u could do it, but u have again raised the bar for rhino's organic modeling. excellent!!!! you! are! the man!!!!!!!

hehe Teyon showin off again,, simply awesome bro.

Thank ya. Glad ta see ya like the wee bonnie lass. Sure'n I'll be gettin' on with the updates soon.

this is really looking great Teyon I wonder if I might pick your brain? See, Eovia is working on a Pro version of amapi. This version has advanced NURBS editing in it..and, try as I may..I can not wrap my mind entirely on the process of NURBS modeling. Ive been nosing around the rhino forum at some of the tutorials there and the process you use to make the basic shape (like in the torso tutorial) is/was the method I am using, however I'm curious as to how blends between such parts as the arms, legs, eyesockets..etc are done "cleanly" with in a NURBS approach. I can do it with polys no problem..but when it comes to NURBS..well, thats a different story. I wonder if you'd post an image of this model in POLY..with closeups on the eyesockets (where it looks like you punched the mesh and created a new one.) and a closeup of the junction between the torso and the arms. :) tia BT

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yes seeing the poly model IS what I needed to see. Im pretty anal about the way my mesh looks in the end..and NURBS converted to a poly model produce a mesh much like what you have posted (see all the nasties at the junction of the breast and collar? and eye socket?) So I was just curious if there is a way to make these blend perfectly (like you can if you model straight from polys to start with) Also, seeing your post about the blend method shows a sphere at the shoulder area. I assume you boolean or cut with that sphere to pop a hole in the side of the torso to attach the arm? Hadnt thought of that so I'll see what Amapi Pro does when I do something similar...but I assume it will give me about the same results of what you have posted oh, yeah..Amapi has a tool called "Ruled surface" that performs a sleek blend between two models (lines, models, line and models..etc)..but there are still those multi-tri polys that I end up dressing up and I was just hoping to see if this was a common thing in NURBS modeling or if I was doing it wrong. :) So in comparison to your mesh, Im getting the same results straight from NURBS to the Poly model. next question..are you a traditional artist? (not talking 3d here) I mean, Ive seen several sketches that you have based your models on and they look very slick. Im assuming you are..which goes to show that a person using a 3d app will benefit a lot by having a traditional background in art. (contrary to what some say about 3d not being art) last question :P does rhino always triangulate a model like that or does it have export formats that are mostly quad? like obj or lwo? thanx :) BT

Hiya. Thanks bunches and I'm glad the pics cleared things up. Funny thing about the mesh you're seeing...it's not the mesh I made. Rhino makes a rendermesh of it's own for rendering...the mesh I made was quads (except for the edges where the different parts met). The rnedermesh Rhino uses is triangles. I'll try and get the silly thing to render the quad in a few so you get a better idea. When you manually mesh your work before export, you can get mostly quads but anywehere there is a split surface, the edges that are split will be turned to tris. Fortunately these aren't as numerous as you may think and can be cleaned up in a poly program. Yes, I have a strong traditional background in pencil and ink work. I even tried painting a few times in the past. Thanks for noticing! It can help you a lot if you have a solid 2D background but I've seen folks who aren't the greatest 2D artists turn out excellent models. I usually can split surfaces with a curve but because of the way I made her, I had to use a sphere to split the surface. We don't call it booleaning because we have a different use of that term in Rhino. What a split does is just break off a section of the model to be split using the other object as a reference. It doesn't do any combining or capping like a boolean. I'll try to get that quad wire up for ya. Started her legs by the way...

yeppers thats exactly what I was looking for :) I can see the final mesh and the way it converts from Rhino NURBS to a poly model. I want to find a way to make it blend perfectly in NURBS mode only. I can do it by combining the two methods (poly and nurbs) but what's the point of NURBS if you have to Poly too :P I tried the cut, boolean (whatever you want to call it) to attach arms and it does what I expected it would..tons of tris at the joints of the arms and torso so that's the same effect as rhino is giving. so lets see if I have the basics straight on how you are making these really cool NURBS models. You start with a set of splines and then surface them you then add knots or control points (whatever you want to call them) and use those to add detail buldges, indentations and shaping to a mesh. to add things like an arm, you cut the torso with a curve, sphere (whatever) and build a separate mesh the same way as the torso was built (with splines and control points) then you make a connecting mesh to blend the arm and torso together My NURBS models look great..but the poly conversion of the models are trashy looking (meshwise that is). The actual model still looks good when rendered, it just has all those small tris here, there, and yon that look bad in wireframe (see I told you I was anal about how the mesh looks :P) are you going to actually do anything with this little gal when you finish her? Like poserize her or something? She'd sell like crazy! :) BT

Great! Glad to hear this was what you wanted. So, yeah, you hit the nail on the head with my technique. I mean, of course some things vary depending on the model but for the most part, that's it. The one thing I don't like about Rhino is the way it makes tris on the split edges...I think if the gang at Robert McNeel& Associates would take a closer look, they'd probably be able to right a way for the models to translate into quads only. That's a non-programmer's speculation though. After I get some clothing on her, I don't know. I'd love to Poserize her or pay someone to do it (because I'm clueless...even after so long). I could use the extra bills but if not, I'd like to try rigging her in Maya or XSI...or even GMAX.