Okay, I've been patient, I've been nice and written IM's to merchants whose products I want to buy but can't.... Why? Because I'm a Poser 4.03 user and some merchants keep forgetting that we can't use png's....or even worse except us to lay our cash down and then make them ourselves or live with the Poser shrugging guy. Oh I could buy them and use them, but why should I? Why should I have to revise a package that says it's Poser 4 compatible but really isn't???? When I plunk my money down, I expect that the only thing I should have to do is install the item...it darn well needs to work straight out of the box, no if's ands or buts about it. And guys, whoever is beta testing for you and passing these products with no rsrs or version errors in them (hint, Pose packages are the worst for that) well, they need to learn how to beta test again....or as a merchant who wants to earn a good reputation with buyers, make sure you have testers in both Pro Pak AND Poser 4.03. Guys there is a world of difference sometimes in how these two versions use stuff. Please, please PLEASE....I'm begging here...I want to spend my money, I really, really do...but I'm not going to spend it on you anymore if you don't start including rsrs and make sure those damn version errors aren't in your mat files or pose files anymore. It's not hard, to do and doesn't really even take that long....and if you are going to merchant for goodness sakes, do it right!!!! I mean I'm at my wits end...I had to take five things, count them FIVE out of my shopping cart tonight because they did not contain rsrs...and that usually also means version errors in the pose and mat files...so five people some whom I did IM before I wrote this, just missed out on some sales..... If you need help on how to do rsrs or how to check to make sure we don't get version errors, please IM me, I'm a merchant also and I can tell you how to do it. And then don't EVEN get me started on why Renderosity passes the products without rsrs or version errors in them...that's a whole other rant!!!!!! Thanks for your time :) Pendarian

Heyas Pendy, we dont actually want your money.......which isn't the snub it might sound.....3dmodelz is for sale. With regards to your points raised, damn straight a product should do what it says on the tin....Looks enquiringly at Poser 5....grin.....It should be ready to go, no excuses. Pendy....I'm in a good mood (strangely, considering recent circumstances)....so pick any product from our store and i'll send you a copy, on us. A farewell gift from 3dmodelz... Best Wishes Andi 3dmodelz

Hey Pendy, as you very well know there are "beta-testers" and then there are beta-testers. I know that some people test a product only to receive it freely and then lavish you with praise. Unfortunately, that doesn't help the merchant make a better product so that's a very good point you brought up. A good beta-tester must be honest and not think about the merchant's feelings, can you imagine the FDA not wanting to make a pharmaceutical company feel bad or inadequate? Now, for the others, a merchant can always use two great free utilities, one is Yarp's P3DO Explorer which has a plug-in to change .png's to .rsr's so if the merchant is on Propack he can easily do this in a few simple steps and laetia's Merchant's utility here at Renderosity that will check version number, path, make lists, etc. Sometimes it's a case of not getting the right information before starting out so hopefully your thread will help some on their way :))

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something. The "error" is a warning, not an error and things will load correctly unless P5 specific features have been used. P3dOExplorer will quickly and easily convert the png's to rsr's, it's free, and it is a worthwhile utility program to have. An even bigger pain is converting the JPG's to BUM files, but it isn't all that big a deal. The only reason one could not buy these products and use them is because... Well, there are no good reasons. So, what's the big deal?

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shadowblade, for some poses the "error" message pops up 3 times! If you're not looking for something specific and just trying them out it can be a royal PITA, so yes, correcting the version number is an added bonus and simple since laetia's utility for merchants can do it. The tools are available, it's the consideration that's lacking :)

"The only reason one could not buy these products and use them is because... Well, there are no good reasons. So, what's the big deal? " So, if you went to say McDonalds, and you bought a hamburger, and when you got home to eat it, you discover that the bun isn't cut, the meat isn't cooked, and the sandwhich isn't put together, you would be okay with that? I mean, assuming that you have a knife, and a working stove, you have the tools at your disposal to make the hamburger... The big deal is that you're paying money for a product. If the product says that it's P4 compatible, then it should have it's version set to at least 4.01, and it should include .rsr files. If a product says it's ProPack only, then that's fine, at least no one is being decieved, but frankly, there's no good reason for a merchant to NOT make their products P4 compatible. As a side note, there's really no reason to include .png files anyway if there are .rsr files... which will cut down on your end product file size (not very much, but sometimes every bit counts), since ProPack and Poser5 will create new .png files from the .rsr files.

It's also a very big deal if the pose file calls for a bump map and all you have is jpg. I crashed and froze many times before I gave up and upgraded to Pro Pack to get away from that. The other small touches-- rsrs and pngs, the correct versions, are signs that the merchant is a professional. You kinda like that if you are gonna give them your money. Emily

Okay, I see your point Cin-, queri. I mentioned the jpg files for bump maps being a royal pain, but I do understand trying to keep the d/l size down. And, most of the merchants do tell you they will have to be converted. Pose files with MTs, etc. are worse. I agree with you, Cin-. There isn't any reason not to make them P4 compatible. On the other hand, if the product is nice, no reason not to buy it. You know, I think I did get one of those hamburgers. I threw it away. I guess that just proves your point.