Hi, when I got V3 I spent a lot of time and made a character for my scenes for a story I wrote and I was very happy with her and I went out and bought lots of stuff for her, clothes, weapons etc. Now I've got Stephanie petite and I notice that V3 hips aren't nearly as nice as S3, no matter how I fiddle with the V3 dials. I just can't get that nice curve that S3 has using V3. Also of course I can't get the faces to match. I don't really mind that as the S3 face isn't too bad I think, the way I've made it. But what about the body? I thought I'd get a second opinion (probably a twelve and thirteenth opinion too). Is it my imagination or is S3s body much nicer? Is there anyway I can make my V3 look like that? What would you do if you were me? Should I start all over again and buy new everything for S3 as it becomes available? Love esther

forgot to say, that's V3 with the lighter hair on the left and S3 with the darker hair on the right. Love esther

I do agree that in the above pictures, Steph's body shape does look a little more pleasing to my eye. In all fairness though, that neutral stance is very unflattering. It's been my experience that once you get Vicky (or any other character) into an actual "real" pose, they tend to look much better. Something to do with the way the body's natural curves all interact. I would say if you really have a lot invested in V3, don't abandon her. If none of the character packs come with a body INJ you like, have you considered magnets? Maybe something from Wyrmmaster's collection. I got the Sarah Spriteling set back when it was on sale at DAZ and though I don't use it all the time, it does give some nice results. And it also molds clothing into the same shape as the body so that's a nice plus.

that is a thought. What are Sarah's curved like compared to the two girls above? Love esther

It's a matter of personal taste. The S3 model's hips do look nicer in my opinion, but then I'm not really a big fan of V3, I prefer V2, but love the clothing and props that are for V3. As I understand it, Stephanie is a female version of Michael, which would explain the more masculine hip and leg lines. Men tend to have narrower, less curvy hips, though a great many women do as well. If it were me, I'd go with the figure that 'felt' right to me and buy the clothing etc that went with the figure or looked for any morph files that would allow clothing and hair for one figure to be used on another. Which basically means I'm SOL for V2 -grins- but I dun really mind, when I want to use the clothing, I just get V3 as close to the V2 model I'd been working with and render the clothing, then go back and paste over the first figure's render, and erase any body part I didnt like, so that I had my V2 figure :) Its basically not being a fan of inj and rem files, too much work to get the figure I want.

Both of the figures seem to have slightly masculine leg lines to me. girls have more of an angle between the thigh and the knee known as valgus deformity. But I don't think S3 hips look less female. Maybe I should try the male morph dial for V3 hips and see if that helps make the two figures more similar. Love esther

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Esther, these might be hard to compare since they're not in the default zero pose like the figures in your image...but I've used the Sarah Spriteling magnets for both of the image in the link and the attached jpg. Oh and they're both wearing clothes, which might make it even harder to compare, but at least it shows that the magnets work the way they're supposed to to fit clothes to the new body type. :)

Err...the girls above aren't fully clothed...but they do have some clothes on which might hinder comparisons. :) Oh I should point out, the picture in the link is pretty much a standard V3 with the SS magnets and some muscularity/tone morphs injected. The girl in the attached picture is a combination of the SS magnets and the Kashmira character set from the marketplace here.

As you say, it is a bit tricky to see, but I think the hip region does look a little better. Thanks. Love esther

If you're interested in the Sarah Spriteling package, the DAZ product page has some good popups. A little easier to see the overall shapes. There are some similar packages that Wyrmmaster sells here too. I'm not sure what the differences are but I think one improvement in the newer sets for V3 are the ability to fit shoes to legs when you lengthen them (which you couldn't do with SS).

Hi, yes I just went over to daz and looked at the pop-ups. I thought maybe the hip area didn't look that different to the original V3. But I was put off when I read about difficulty fitting clothes. Hmmm, maybe I should go look at those other things too. I'm just trying some poses as you suggested to see if V3 looks better posed. Love esther

Hmm, I think V3 (lighter hair) looks even worse thus posed in most ways. Her waist just is too chunky but if I narrow it > 1 then it just brings out her bulgy hips even more. Love esther

sorry, accidentally made V3 taller.

It was the original Stephanie that was based on the Michael 2 mesh. Steph petite is not- she's a 3.0 Unimesh figure.

I love the new Steph. I think she not only looks much better than V3, she poses better, too. I think I'm going to be buying more clothes and stuff for her than for Vicky from now on. But she should take Vicky's textures, right?

i think you can acheive that hip shape on V3 by applying the Pin-up morph

heres a very very quick example... obviously i don't know what other body morphs you have used, i made her a bit muscley like ur character though.. As you can see using the Pin Up full body morph it does change the hips quite a bit.. Maybe thats more what you had in mind? -SimderZ- xXx

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I'm not crazy about V3's hip/waist chunkyness either... Excuse the self-serving nature of this post ;), but I created a morph (magnet included so you can apply it to clothing or other figures) for my V3 Ember character that looks pretty close to what you're looking for.

Yes SimderZ, that's more like it, I don't think I tried that one, so I'll do it when I get home from work tonight. Spanki, I'll check out that link. thanks. Love esther

okay, i've sized them the same and posed. haven't had time to try the pinup dial yet.

estherau, use a mixture of the 'young' dial with the 'pinup' dial. Narrow the shoulders a little with 'shoulders small' (I forget the exact name) and make the waist smaller, maybe a value of 0.3 or so. That should get you closer, and away from the very high, very square hips and rather chunky V3 torso (or V2 for that matter). :] Fish

Here's a super quick render of Jim Burton's V3 Ingenue (DAZ) who has a rather pleasant trim figure. You can make her small and slender or buxom - various morphs built in. :] Fish

yes, she looks quite nice too. Trouble with those figures is will their clothes still fit? I have lots of morphing clothes. WEll as for the waist Ialready have it set at 1, and I even tried 1.5 but that made the hips look even more chunky. I tried the young dial, and I can't remember why it didn't work. I'll try it again. I haven't tried the shoulder thing yet. Will that narrow the whole chest which looks a little wide compared to the S3? Love esther

This is a V3 character I created. To create the softer hips on her I did the following; HipNarrow 1.0 ThighFull 0.5 ThighWide 0.4 I hope this helps.

Here's Ember in that pose.

Here she is with (right) and without (left) the body morph, for comparison.

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I would have thought only the first nude needs a nudity tag, because when you click on any of the messages you see all of them anyway. Okay, I'll see what I can come up with. thanks. Love esther PS do you think I should stick with my V3 then and try and get her right or do you like my S3 better?

The biggest question may boil down to what clothing you intend to use with her... it'll take some work on your part to get V3 clothing to fit S3. If clothing is not an issue (she going to be nekkid? ;) or painted on clothing?), then you may as well go with the S3 figure.

no clothing is an issue, a big big big issue. I have lots of clothes for V3 and of course S3 is still getting clothes developed, and as well as that I have a mac so i can't use the tailor unless I take over my husband's computer and learn how to use tailor. He doesn't do poser so he's no help to me in that respect. but I do like S3 figure. On the other hand her face isn't as versitile as V3 either. eeeek. Love esther

No offense intended to it's developer (it's a daunting task to program for), but I haven't found The Tailor really all that useful. It does the best it can, but that often means chunky/blocky morphs. It also depends a lot on the mesh makeup of the clothing in question, but I'm pretty sure that you can always get better results using magnets and scaling... at least that's been my experience.

yes, I really should play with magnets more. Now Grey cat, I just tried those dials and her thighs looked huge. Are you sure you didn't mean minus 5 for thighs full? Love esther

I used that pinup of one and some other stuff. sigh, it's so hard. Love esther

Oh yes, and I narrowed the shoulders to one as well, and I've got a little bit of skinny, but now her arms are too skinny and if I do them separately it will make my morping clothes go wrong. Love esther ps I know it's hard to tell but which girl's face do you like. I'm going to try and render just the faces but it will take me awhile as poser 5 is playing up.

which face do you think is nicest? This is V3

And this is S3

This is my latest attempt. I muscled up V3 arms separately one muscle at a time. Love esther

Hi Esther,

I am sure SP3 has some really nice features. Just like I know V3 has some advantages over V2. But I still use V2 most, because she is what I am most familiar/comfortable with using, and I have the most add-ons for her. Also, because I am good with magnets and jp settings, so it is fairly easy for me to convert a outfit I like from another figure over to fit her - or viseversa on those rarer occassions.

For me, I would seriously give Spanki's suggestion a try first, and use magnets to see if I can shape the figure as I wanted. It also appears that you have not as yet tried all the dial combinations for the hip and buttocks, etc., to see if you can get the shape you want.

Of course, you have to balance that. If tweaking figures is not really your thing, and you do not care to spend a lot of time with magnets and morphs to shape the body like you want it - and you can not find a ready made package like Ember that will give you the results you want - than you may be better off to go with SP3 and buy the clothing you need for her.

There is a real difference between Poser users as I see them. Some folks love to tinker and tweak, and do not mind morphs and magnets and hours of frustration in experimenting. Other prefer things ready to go right out of the box. If you are the latter, than your only real option is going with the figure you like best, which would seem to be SP3, and buying more clothing for her.

Oh, and since Tailor was mentioned. It is really great on some mesh. My experience using it has been hit and miss. As a result, I rarely use it. I prefer using the magnets. To me, the magnets, wave deformer, and grouping tool are very useful tools to have - but then I like to tinker. :O)

Hi, I think if I had someone to sit here with me and show me magnets and joint position I would enjoy it, but I'm one of those people that need to be shown rather than read something to get the hang of it. I don't suppose you feel like a holiday in autralia do you? I can't make up my mind. I like both the S3 and the V3 but yes, I do like the S3 cute little shape better, but I think I like the V3 face better and of course the versitility. It's very hard. Love esther ps do you still like the V3 face better?

I like the V3 face best.

I looked at S3 for my characters and keep coming back to V3. There are jsut SO MANY more morphs available in her universe (even just counting the ones in the packs from Daz). She has a slimmer form obviosuly, but her lower chest loosk "caved in" to my eyes, and the face isn't flexible enough for me. I am having good results with the "Farie" morph on V3 to slim her down to a more petite form... I like the shape better than the "young" morph. I am also going to look into the SS set from Daz now that I see what Gabriel has done with em.