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Bazze ... part of the problem is the way your first post was worded. You said that even if it was "great" you would not vote for "A". I can see that if you have two images that are just "nice renders" and one is otherwise more creative than the other, or shows more modeling skill than the other, that additional creativity and skill should get B the vote over A. But if A were a "great" image ... then I personally think that there has to be some reason it would be considered great ... whether it's the lighting or the composition ... and whatever makes it great should be judged on it's own merits and not be brought down by the fact that it's 95% freebies. The jumping off point for most people, including me, was that statement ... not being twisted in the least. You said you would not vote for a great image that was mostly freebies. I understand that this is your personal opinion, but you asked for people's comments, and as noted above, it strikes me as a very bad way to go about judging a piece of work.

Bazze, it occurred to me, that by you expressing your opinion on the use of freebies/presents (and that would include models, mats, textures, sets, props, skies, terrains, or anything not specifically yours), that should 'you' -ever- need to use them in an image, by your own standards, that image could never be considered a 'great' or 'excellent' image, but only so-so...

Your twisting and exaggerating what I say. Spare me the worn clich and the poor metaphors. And spare me the phoney purism. And that shoud be you're, by the way.

Can we move on now please? I think we have given bazze enough roasting now. And we also now know not to trust his judgement on art. John

:) I'm bowing out of this now, as yes, there isn't much point in continuing what seems to have become rather pointless.

I suppose ... although I would love to know how anyone here twisted what bazze said ... which was "when I see a contribution that consist mostly of freebies and presents then I don't vote for it (even if it might be great)." So, he doesn't vote for it even though it's great. That's a crummy way to judge something, and that is most certainly not "twisting" or "exaggerating" what he said. It's a direct quote. But, you are right, John, we do know that he should not be a judge of CG artwork.

Finally i got sommat right!!!!!!!! John

Bazze you know you're onto to something when those against you can only foment and/or spew animus. Keep on modeling.

Oh, definitely ... keep on modeling, but please don't judge other people's work so narrow mindedly.

Geez, I don't remember any 'foment and/or spewing animus', in this thread...;] Anyone else?

well i certainly didnt, ive been very clean in that respect. John

I take it from what Sambucus said earlier that I am among those he suggests were giving Bazze a hard time, but I don't think I was, he asked for opinions and I gave him mine. I do agree that images that are loaded with oodles of freebies can sometimes be terrible, but that depends on who's hands and mind are creating the image. If an image stands out as a great piece of artwork, even if it does contain some freebies, then it is still a great piece of artwork and should be given the recognition it deserves. If anything I said was offensive Bazze please accept my apologies and know that I did not intend to offend. Happy rendering 8) Catlin

Hi everybody. Don't worry - I'm not at all offended and I hope that I didn't offend anybody by my blunt ways of expressing myself. At least lets agree that we sometimes disagree :)

Bazze, we always disagree, but that adds to the excitement of the place. 8)

Lol, enough excitement for one day. Locked to keep the innocent that way. ;o) AgentSmith