I'm staying with Renderosity as long as it exists. I don't want the nuisance of transshipping all my uploads (36 models and utilities, various pictures) to another site, nor likely do many other people. Stop deserting. Let's face this out together.

Been getting ALOT of firewall reports here lately, if big brother is watching, expecting people to stick around here is not exactly realistic.

Hello Anthony, I also rest my stuff on the site, but only for the moment. DON'T ASK ME WHY, I HAVE A CAUSE (not for edgenet, but for the community who stays actually here). But if a company want's to make 100000 Buck's with stuff and a mailing-list they doesn't own, we must be idiots if we stay longer then needed. SHARKEY

show a bit of loyalty to Jack and Ed! they're the ones who made Renderosity what it is maclean PS if you stay here I think you'll be lonely!

Tony, why don't ya just apply for the vacant admin positions then?

then tony can be the sheriff in this new ghost town

I will stay on here with Renderosity, and will go back to answering those questions I may have knowledge on how to help with, making and contributing things again to Free stuff, props, characters and tutorials again, etc. It is good to be back. Thanks Tim

Really? Edgenet is a business. They are in business for business's sake, to make money. They MUST make money, or their board of directors, or whomever makes these decisions will take away the very resources this so called community runs off of. Poser users are lucky they chose Poser to use as a showcase for their easeforum platform, instead of antique cars, 3d Studio Max, or MP3's ;P Have any of you ever done SQL database coding? Have any of you ever coded in c++ till your fingers were sore, and your wrists had carpel tunnel syndrome? Have any of you ever put forth the money it takes to host such a bandwidth as this? Jack and Ed did NOT pay for this. Really. Edgenet did. And Edgenet paid Roy Riggs, Tim Choate, their sysadmins, their easeforum developers, their front office staff, their human resources staff, their hardware and software, etc. I put up database sites all the time, with less staff than Edgenet no doubt supports, that wind up costing the company that puts them up well over $500,000.00 Database site coding is EXPENSIVE. Jack and Ed did lose money, but only because they chose to devote their time here, instead of to working for a living at a paying job to maintain them till this paid off if ever. So they got farther and farther behind in their bills. That is all.

Guy, girls, guerillas, whatever... Anthony wants to stay on here, that's his call... If the stuff Edgenet is pulling doesn't bother him and he wants to hang around here, more power to him... comments like "show a bit of loyalty" really are inappropriate... it's his decision, don't try to pressure him into going if he doesn't want to... And, Bast is right, Edgenet is a business, though I don't agree with their methods (which is the reason I'm leaving), they are in this to make money... Philodox PS: Damn, I hate playing devil's advocate, but I always seem to do it...

They're welcome to run it like a business. Meanwhile - all the artists who have gotten nervous with Edgenets's ideas about "intellectual property rights" are gonna pick up their marbles and leave. I'm not thrilled about setting all my downloads back up again - but its better then paying lawyers to get my work back. They seem to think that we like the brandname or something. It probably never occurred to them that the name is not the substance. The people are what makes this site - the name? Who cares. This is a group of people who are willing to vote with their feet. Pardon me while I go put on my hiking boots. Lyrra

Bast, is not the SQl and C++ coding that make this business. I am programmer for 25 years in all areas. The business is the content of the database not the coding of the databse by itself....misunderstanding. ALso, this site is something else than just a technical context. It is a life and it is a community not only a question of money. For myself I am a buyer from here, zygote or every place I like....but I am not an artist I am just playing with that stuff. ED, Jack, Diane and all those peole are real and they deserve a community they like. I would like to say "CHAPEAU" to those people. Forget about money....Think about community, people, learning opportunities and so on....this go beyond money and this is exactly why I come to this forum and site because the artists are real and they help us....Thanks to all Claude

Don't you all see that? This is a case where he was all for your names being sold down the river, money being made off them, to the highest bidder as it where, which luckily seemed to be Zygote at the time. But only if he was cut into the deal too. Read what he is saying. Read it. The Dark Souls wanted to sell your names. Who is better? The Dark Souls, or Edgenet? Who can say? What really made this placw what it is? Code? Yes, for one thing, yes, ease of user interface in code, for you. Database of users names? Sure, since with that deals can be struck to get small discounts for the users. Members themselves? Certainly! Mostly. It is the members and the collective pool of their knowledge that makes this site what it is, as far as members are concerned. We members should not get so caught up in hero worship, so tied into a cult of personality and loyalty to one individual that we cannot see that, and cannot see that all the parts make the whole.

I am very sorry if I seemed biased or aggressive. I realise that there are 2 sides to this matter. But Bast's remark that in the real world things must be paid for, is valid :: someone has e.g. to pay the electricity bill to run the computer that hosts all this discussion and artwork, and all the other bills and expenses that come in.

People have talked about transferring to Renderotica. If renderosity does go down, and Renderotica gets flooded with ordinary non-erotic refugees from Renderosity, will anyone be able to save everybody's time by bulk-transferring to Renderotica all the very useful models and utilities that people have uploaded to Renderosity down the years?

Sounds to me like we're all just pawns in a bidding war. Has Edgenet responded to any of this? Berge

Jack and Ed would have still been in control though. And I do trust them with my private information. They have proved they won't send out tons of mass emails, or sell my name to others who will. As it is, I don't really care if Renderosity still has my current email address because in a month I'm dumping the email account anyhow. I'm just glad I never had it changed to my new one.

Hey Bast, Nitreug, I'm a database programmer to by profession. I agree with you, the members made this place what it is, but without the software as a abckbone, this place would never have got off the ground to start with. Chailynne - did you say you'd trust Jack and Ed with your personal details because they wouldn't sell them to anyone? I agree with all the people who say they did a great job, because they did, but as for not selling your details read up the thread a little, as Bast says, they have proved how much you can trust them with your personal details. There are no hero's in this mess, nor villains, just a couple of people and a few companies trying to make money. Which is the way life and business is. Did it ever occur to anyone that the more money is made from this place, no matter who gets it, that it prolongs the life of this site. If no one ever made anything from it the plug would have been pulled ages ago. Anthony Appleyard - You won't be by yourself because i will be here with you, even if there is only us two, just like I still visit the PFO (though not as frequently as I perhaps should, just that this place is so much more user-friendly), and just like I will visit Jack and Ed's new site, if and when it turns up. Though I won't be visiting renderotica much, I usually have two small daughters hanging around.

pdblake, I am a web developer / database programmer also, and though I agree with you that the software is the technical backbone, other software could just as easily have been used.. Also, seeing how Edgenet sells their software and many other people are using it, does that mean that they have the right to run all those sites? Darrin

pdblake, I am a web developer / database programmer also, and though I agree with you that the software is the technical backbone, other software could just as easily have been used.. Also, seeing how Edgenet sells their software and many other people are using it, does that mean that they have the right to run all those sites? Darrin

philodox...you're right. maybe "show a little loyalty" is an inappropriate comment and I apologize. everyone should decide for themselves. it's a free net, right? I have no problem with profit AT ALL. it's healthy! but I prefer known quantities (ie people) to faceless companies. I'm just sorry that this whole thing has split the community, but I sincerely hope that whatever new sites come put of it that they AND Renderosity go from strength to strength. I HATE this shit! maclean

This thread is getting to the point where it needs to be moved ;-) Noting the language, I guess it'll be C&D. -JH.