Weird, link works for me, maybe something with being a forum member or something. I agree with the "Poserizing" comments ya made. Esentially EVERY figure is poserized from a modeling application, seems a bit odd that some would be iffy about a figure reguarding that.

I love The G.I.R.L. since the first time that I saw her. Though by the way I think that DAZ has delayed her release to create expectation, and has tried to kill Sara1 to have not inner competition against an own free character. The little trouble to DAZ is that in this stupid and too long wait (I dont believe that a new model needs a complete line of products initially, it overwhelms the buyer), new and interesting free models have appeared (H.E.R.), and the community has bet loudly for Sara's continuity. I dont know, it depends about the price, and Im afraid that its going to be very high

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"I agree with the "Poserizing" comments ya made. Esentially EVERY figure is poserized from a modeling application, seems a bit odd that some would be iffy about a figure reguarding that." Well, I have to DISagree completely. I don't see any negative connotations associated with the term "poserizing". Frankly, I think it fits. If rigging a figure in a high end app could be associated with a term, I'd call it "Maya-izing" or "Max-izing", but as you can see those slang terms just don't sound as good (I think 'poserizing' actually sounds pretty cool). I think being so 'politically correct' and worrying so much about slang terms regarding Poser is just saying that the snobby attitude some folks have about the application actually bothers you. In other words, THEY win. The way to show people that the application should be taken seriously, is to USE it and, if you're inclined, to make money using it. ;-) As far as being iffy about a figure when it's converted to a Poser format, well... I can't help that. Because the bones and falloff joint meathod Poser uses to rig it's figures just aren't as good as the more advanced techniques out there. So when a model has been seen and "loved" by so many people, there are curious concerns that it simply might not look quite as good as what they've seen of it when converted to the Poser format, particularly the joints and how they bend (not so much the mesh). Don't forget, the majority of renders we've seen so far (if not ALL of them) of GIRL have been rendered in either Lightwave or 3dsMax. There's going to be a difference I'm sure, and some people might get a little disappointed if their renders of the figure aren't up to snuff with what they've seen of her from other apps. Now I know people have said that she's been rigged a particular way that makes her bend very close to what we've seen before, so I'm just curious about that. That's all. ;-)

• as long as the price isn't too high. I've been drooooooling over her ever since the first sightings last year :] Fish

By the way, in the last thread about this matter, DAZ offers a 5$ coupon in The G.I.R.L.'s buy until midnight Monday, July 26th, 2004 ... it means that The G.I.R.L.'s release already isnt a reality of days, but of hours...

Is it? That's not clear to me. They said they're giving us a coupon to help us save up for GIRL. It doesn't say it has to be used on GIRL.

Moreover, there's another message in the forum saying DAZ will be closed today (Friday), due a state holiday in Utah. I would assume that means no more stuff appearing in the store today. The coupon expires Monday, so it sounds like we won't be able to use the coupon on GIRL.

Thanks for the heads up on the coupon, I missed that one!

I don't think she is actually going to be out this week or next, incidently. Soon, though. ;-)

Well, Maxx... my point, to sum it up very plainly, is that I really think people need to not be presumptuous about a figure going from whatever app to Poser. I understand all too well the downfalls Poser does have, but it just gets tiring to see Poser so derided. As far as being politically correct about a term, well, I'm usually about as far from politically correct as you can get, hence my very low level of activity in these forums. I've had other "high end" people refer to what we do as "just poserizing" something, though, and I find that while the work may have a certain ring to it, the connotations I see it in are often not meant in a positive way. Maybe just the difference between your experiences and mine, but that's what I see. As far as what you mention about the "more advanced" methods of rigging out there, well, sure there are more advanced methods. And those methods have thier issues as well, just as they have thier strong points. I, for one, actually like the system that Poser has, though I think it could stand some tweaks most definitely. I think it has some very strong points in comparison to skin weighting and lattice as used with the bone systesms in other packages, but it has it's weak points as well (primarily, IMO, that of not being able to a have a child part weld to multiple parent parts, but that's a discussion for another day...). I guess what I'm driving at here is that a comparison of a model from Max, Maya, Lightwave, or whatever to a version of it rigged for Poser is sort of like apples and oranges. Maybe it's a point of naivety on my part, but I actually have faith in the customers, that they will accept that such figures are not going to be identicle to thier source versions, but will be as close as they can be while taking as many advantages as they can from the positive aspects of what Poser has to offer. - Les

I have no use for any toon figure. Toon figures don't interest me.

So....the answer is no.

Buying the GIRL is on my list. However, I wonder if I'll have to buy the HeadMorphs set, the BodyMorph set, the textures set, the clothes pack 1, hair1, hair2, hair3, textures for hair1, textures for hair2, textures for hair3, textures for clothes pack1... And I wonder if, after that, I will have a complete starter for a character that will last long or just another good project that will die after a few months of crazy...

I have Neftoon Gal and since she seems a bit underestimated in this thread in favor of Girl, Her and Sara, I want to say that I think that Neftoon Gal has some "spice" to herself that is kind of unique in my opinion. The picture posted in this thread shows it very well I think. Neftoon Gal has facial expressions that look much livelier to me. I would like to see some clothes done for Neftoon Gal.

"However, I wonder if I'll have to buy the HeadMorphs set, the BodyMorph set, the textures set, the clothes pack 1, hair1, hair2, hair3, textures for hair1, textures for hair2, textures for hair3, textures for clothes pack1... " taking into account recent daz policy.. you'll buy the base figure, then the HeadMorph Pack, add in the Bodymorph pack.. you'll have a naked, but usable figure.. again taking into account the kinda pricing.. (non PC ya know) .. say about.. $90 - $120 before you can do anything serious.. (this based on Vicky 3 and Mikey 3 releases and not being a member of the PC)

Not me. I don't do sexy pin-ups and the name of "girl" for a supposedly adult female model is a put-off. Accurate, given her childish features, but still a put-off. (And I never bought a game-boy either.) If I was to purchase any model in the cartoon genre, it would probably be AnimeDoll: I'm far more apt to do something in that realm than a pin-up, and the model looks more flexible. Carolly

GIRL with V3 InternationalBeauties map Type 3, 3Dream Lux hair, RDNA LaSprite wings, my earmorphs and pose. She is a dream to work with.

Poser 5 render, no postwork except adding frame and text.

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Puntomaus, YOU HAVE The G.I.R.L. ... I hate you ... sigh ... sob ... I need her ...

Interesting. Is she a unimesh figure, then?

No, she has her own mapping. But there is an option to use V3 textures.

Will She use "morph injection"???? ( praying that the answer is NO!!!)

No, she has her own mapping. But there is an option to use V3 textures. How does that work? Are there two OBJs or something?

UV file similar to how V3 1st came out and you could use uv mapper to use V2 maps. essentially yes, 2 objs one mapped for each uv set. I don't understand how it's done, would like to learn how, but never found a tutorial on how you do it, only seen Daz's uvs files to do it.

Yep, two objects and two Cr2s - one for her own mapping and one to take the V3 textures.

How can you not love her? Actually, pretty easily. Neftis' ToonGal is, IMHO, much more stylish. There are those, I know, who think Neftis ripped off the G.I.R.L., but I'd simply say it's an improvement.

I'm noticing the way the bends at the joints work in that pose. very interesting. And so much for no renders from Poser, ;)

For the most part her joint bends look good, but in the above pictures the shoulders look a bit too high, giving her a muscle bound look. Just my opinion of course. mike

The collars are actually raised in both those poses of mine. I'm still getting used to posing her :)

So they have done what I've been whining about then, and finally gone beyond the simplistic rigs used currently. I should've known after seeing the rig Kim used in MAX that he'd never settle for the poor rigs currently used by figures. Now that makes me think seriously about buying her. Very seriously. Any chance we could get a rigging screencap? Pretty please? lol

Even if she was rigged to not break at the folds, I still wouldn't buy her. Look at those huge blobby feet! Her upper arms are too short. THIS in addition to toonish proportions... oversize head and wasp-waist. I can cover creases in post work or morph a pretty face, but if I have to rescale all the body parts, why bother?

takes hammer fixes feet okay check. takes vice and stretches arms okay check. vices head so it's not oversized okay check. gotta stretch the waist okay check. kills toon proportions okay check. dusts off hands okay think the product for you is ready now. http://secure.daz3d.com/shop.php?op=itemdetails&item=1098 smiles really big it's a TOON! it's supposed to be that way.

LOL @ Machine Hauksdottir, seems like you want a human shaped model, not a fantasy shaped model, so you are right, the Girl wouldn't be suited to you. She is the shape and size that Kim wants her to be. It was never said anywhere that her proportions would change once turned into a Poser model. Personally I like her proportions. Perhaps Kim's morphs will include smaller hands and feet shrug Haven't opened the last beta yet. Ynsaen, the rigging isn't that much different than the current Millennium figures. Just a few subtle changes that seem to make a world of difference. She does have round shoulders though, but my images tend to make them look bigger than they are. I think Maus' image is more representative of her actual figure.

This is G.I.R.L. in Studio. Post was painted clothing and integration with a photo in PS.

I love her look and I, personally, prefer her more toonish, so I don't like seeing her in "skin" textures anymore than I like to see Sara with them. To me it takes them out of their ToonWorld.

Cris Message edited on: 07/25/2004 02:59

~so I don't like seeing her in "skin" textures~ goes and sits in corner ;P

I like using skintextures on her. I am trying all of my V3 maps on her and she really looks cool in those fantasy textures from Paul Willocks or Ecstacy.

Anyway, here is another one, a PinUp render. Poser 5 Firefly and PI XL for postwork (filter added).

Ok, you two...lol...we can agree to disagree...yes? ;) Cris

Hehe, yes we can :-)

I don't care for the fat wrists and ankles in most of the images posted here. But they look okay in Cris' image. Is there a morph to slenderize the wrists and ankles, or is it just the angle in that pic?

"I love her look and I, personally, prefer her more toonish, so I don't like seeing her in "skin" textures anymore than I like to see Sara with them. To me it takes them out of their ToonWorld." I completely Agree!! No offense to anyone but the "vickyization" of this model with photorealistic skin textures and transmapped hair, totally destroys her original Charm :-(. she looks like a modified "mill girl" or "preteen" this way I plan on using her only with basic colored skin and yes the solid hair!! to each their own however :-)

If I hadn't added this textures and hair I would have had to post her bold in her base color only and without eyebrows. We just got the latest version with her original hairstyle and texture few hours ago.

Regarding skintextures: you have to keep in mind that maybe one of the first questions will be: can I use my V3 textures on her or do I have to buy all new textures. The option to use V3 skins adds to the variety and I think this is a good thing :-).

randym77, there is a KneeThin and AnkleThin morph included that is set to 1 by default (in my images to 1.5).

So where is the download for the Free GIRL???? Seems everybody has a copy of the model except people that want it, even people that don't want it have it. Daz Forum is flooded with pictures now. I know, I know. Brokers get advanced copies to produce things, I know. Just seems like another market deluge. So we all know what the IT of the week is, anybody have a clue or idea what the next big IT is gunna be? I am so burned out and could care less and less about this stuff.

I am so burned out and could care less and less about this stuff. Mind if I join you? Let's face it: within the first month, we'll see: -- "Impractical armour" -- Fairy ear morphs -- Lots of textures for the bra and thong -- a few thousand hair colour textures -- a vaginal morph Did I miss anything?

Hi, Randy. It is the angles I try to choose. Kind of like people photograph better from one side than another. Same thing. Camera focal lengths, posing a certain way...they all do different things. MC, of course there is hype with pics from the brokers. Heck, that was to be expected. We've been trying to finish our products (while G.I.R.L. was being finalized) and were just waiting for the word to be able to show things, so it should be expected that the brokers would all show at the same time. It's a business and promotion is the way you create excitement. Now, if the products for G.I.R.L., or any coming product from anyone - DAZ or otherwise, didn't look good, then you wouldn't get excitement or the hoped for anticipation. I'm sorry you feel burned out and I do understand where you come from with that, but I've sure worked hard on my stuff and can only hope it pleases some. Cris

Cris I understand. Didn't mean to come off sort of the way I did. Daz forum just got flooded and any non GIRL related stuff is hard to find right now. There is just a feelin as if the model were already released however it's only the brokers. oh well, another month and it will be something else. I have to learn to lighten up, it's becoming more and more difficult for me to do. Sorry bout dat.

NP, MC. Here's a different perspective from the other side (the one tinged with paranoia for the broker W): "Ok, they've given us permission to put up images...cool, here we go. Wow, lots of nice things. Oh, nice, someone responded. Oh, wow, my stuff is already down at the bottom of 'last viewed'? Does anyone like G.I.R.L.? Does anyone like what I'm making? Sheesh, only a day out with images and hardly anyone has said anything. Oh, cool, someone responded...oh, that they don't like toons." LOL, there's always another perspective on any of these things, eh? Cris

Cris, when DAZ releases The G.I.R.L.? Any date?

Unfortunatey, I don't have a firm date, just a very strong very soon. Normally, once they give the go-ahead to brokers to post, it's really around the corner (if there are no last minute problems). Cris

Thanks for the info, all. Are you allowed to talk about how she's rigged? Does it make her difficult to pose?

LOL @ Sean. You forgot "morphs to make her boobs even bigger."

And I was wondering what Jim was gonna do. He complains about SP's feet being too big. GIRL looks like a hobbit pinup. All she needs is a "hairy feet" texture. ;-)

" How can you not love her?" easy.. she looks like 2 things.. a little girl with boob's and 'the perfect cutesy factor' I'll stick with H.E.R. if I use a toon at all.. bows out at this point