I have seen that Hentai porn is big and Poser has the capabilities to make much better stuff. Is it worth pursuing?

well... it's bought me my computer, my pickup truck & is on the way to getting me a condo so yeah it does tend to bring in $$$. BUT, even though it's porn you must still be able to tell a good story. You must script it & produce dialogue keeping the story interesting and have compelling characters that keep people coming back for more. Most important, you must be good at producing high quality Poser pics. Produce crap, people will try you once and never be back.

Yep, but as Farside points out, you do have to be kinda good at it. ahem, years of study helps. Hey Farside, where's your stuff shown? Doug

Is there a particular kind of porn that would do better than other kinds? I am thinking that with all the great add-on characters there are a lot of possibilities with women and monsters, etc. Is Poser porn a fetish to its own? And yeah Farside, where can I see your stuff?

Lol, you guys should be discussing this on Renderotica. Lots more info to be had from the people who specialize in this sort of thing.

it can be just about anything... Superheroines in distress works well, sci-fi, woman vs woman, woman vs monsters... whatever floats your boat. From what I've heard gay porn sells well too even though it's not my thing. Basically, go with what you like. If you have a fetish, odds are tons of other people have the same one. And in a way yes, I think Poser porn is becoming a fetish of it's own

hmm..who knew?..with all the huge amount of competition, I wonder how much actual money there is to be made..I'd recommend a site or two but

1. It violates the TOS, and
2. If you ever wondered where baby malware and viruses live..
   caveat emptor..but good luck.

I've gone to Renderotica and I've been very disapointed at what animation that I've seen in the galleries there.

Yes, Farside, DO tell us - where can we see your work? IM us if necessary, as it's needed to avoid a TOS violation in publishing a clickable porno link. By the way, I'm one of those who have posted animations at "the other site", and will readily admit mine are not very good. But I'm the least talented of the lot, and there are others who are quite good.

I'd like to see your stuff too Farside. :-)

Heh. Know what you mean, farang. I've been playing with a futanari short for a couple of weeks now (anyone who knows hentai knows the term; if not, then hop onto usenet and pop over to alt.binaries.pictures.erotic.anime and look up 'DG'in the faq :P ). I do have to defend what Rotica has done, though. The non-premier folks only have 1 meg of file size to play with; the premier artists a whole 5 megs. There's not a whole lot you can do with such a small amount of bandwidth to play with. i'm thinking that if I manage to finish the short I'm working on, then the animation board at Rotica would be a good place to preview a clip for possible sale (or not.). And add me to the list of 'Tell! Tell!' Farside.... Personally, I think that there could be a future in APP. But like Farside said, you would have to write an interesting script, do good camera and lighting work, make =damned= sure that all the stuff you use -can- be used in something potentially commercial... Where you have a real advantage with a CG environment is that you can bring almost =any= fantasy to life. One of the DG scenes I have in build uses Dacort's Naga for one of the characters. Pure fantasy creature, but that just means you can step away from the tired old formulas and get creative (one I want to work on next is cyberporn. HSS and Dacort's Elektra character is a good one to use, and then there's Travellers Psiberia and Psiberion mecha body sets for V2M2). You can get away from the video hydraulics method and meander into that realm called erotica. Just don't forget the fun factor....

Since when does porn have an interesting script? Most of the videos I've seen are the same old thing: "Get naked, and have sex." True, the better porn movies have a small semblence of plot (wink wink), but it's usually just hot sex.

"Since when does porn have an interesting script? Most of the videos I've seen are the same old thing" That's exactly why you need to have an interesting script. The last thing you want if you're trying to get people to remember and keep coming back is for it to be the same old thing. It doesn't matter what it is you do, do your job well and you'll be rewarded for it. Do it poorly and you'll soon be out of business.

Farside, add me to your list to IM with your site address!

You've really piqued my interest now.

Dale's right. It is hard to do very detailed animations within Rotica's bandwidth limits. We're looking into what we can do about that without killing ourselves with the costs. We're starting to get better and better shorts in there, though.

There's a number of big-busted pin-ups in the gallery here... that's as about as close as it gets to porn for this site.

I have some few nice, short and small gif animations there, the original bink video are very good, but the only way to see them is to download and run them.

Oh yes please, farang. An IM to me too :o) So you can actually earn money on this? Typical.. I give away the wrong stuff and sell the wrong stuff LOL

.bookmark i wish i could see farside's work samples. oh and rmemeber, rotica went on a crusade to ban many/most anime looking pictures (erotic or porn) i know what i am talking about, my gallery was once nearly deleted... anyway my vision of hentai, porn or erotism does not fit the common use of rotica out there, of course it is out of boundaries here too at RO because of tos, i understand. i am looking for some FREE adult reliable hosting where i can just express MY vision of hentai and erotism with poser. IM me for links if possible

Actually, when you have an interesting script, good dialog and high-quality visuals it ceases to be porn and becomes erotica. I earn some pin money to keep Vicky in clothes (or out of them), but I'm not ordering a pickup truck any time soon ...

I have to agree with Diane agreeing with me... :P Rotica has done a very nice thing with the animation galleries; you at -least- have a public venue. And it -is- good practice to learn how to cut your filesize down to size so you can get a simple loop within the requirements. At our level of craft, you have to learn the art of trade-off; texture detail vs. filesize, compression codec vs. installation base, and so on. Erotica is the goal in my book. If I can create a scene, explicit or not, that can catch the eye, and make the watcher's breathing deepen, that delicious little shiver shoot through them (or if they laugh, but with that dreamy eyed 'that might actually be fun' look), then I figure I've done my job. The fact that there =are= no ready to buy motion packs or available motion captures for this particular subject only adds to the joy. You as an animator have to do it with all the sneaky creativity you can muster.

bookmarked where can you sell CG porn or what sites will buy it???

don't know what hentai is (only Japanese term I've seen is something called 'bukake'..and believe me, you don't wanna know..;) but I'm an expert on henpecked..;)

bukake is a very xtreme and specific japanese fetish... don't really like it AFAIK :) same on chibari (bondage with ropes) though i am impressed by the knot skills/technic it involves...

You do know you're giving me ideas here ;-) I'd like to know a few good places to market erotica. Stills though, not video, I'm still learning that -- though I can write the scripts if anyone wants a collaborator. Other than the "R" site, I don't know of any sites that aren't total sleazeball/virus hatcheries. IM me too, please?

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Well I quit my day job as a programmer and do poser erotica full time now. It pays a little less right now due to the current work load but now that I can do it full time that will change. You have to know what buttons to push when doing adult material. A naked Vicky "doing it" isn't going to cut it. You have to focus on themes, not just nudity. Anyone can find a naked pic of a girl in a temple. Plus posing is absolute key. Facial expressions are a must and details are very important. I can't tell you how much stuff I've seen that is posed so dull and boring with a family photo album style of camera work. As for Hentai, I would personally avoid that arena. Why? Because there are so many Japanese producers who do so much of it that its a saturated market. Now I think you could probably get somewhere if your stuff was exceptional since about 90% of the hentai stuff sold (manga and mags) is crap. Check out http://www.dlsite.com to see what kind of stuff is sold. Be warned that a fair amount of this stuff is complete crap (8 renders or 12 pics and that's all). Also, even though some anime and hentai is well done, I think the figure style is a cop out artistically. I prefer western style figures (sophistcated faces with better eyes and head shapes). There is far less of it and, when done right, looks way better than the plastic doll stuff done in anime. But to each their own. But to answer your question, yes you can make money but you gotta push people's buttons to do it.

Byrdie, the Premier area of Rotica is a good place. Artists are invited into that area and share a 50% split of subscriptions. Some of them are starting to make a pretty good chunk of change. So, start posting your work there and be sure to call my attention to it. No guarantees, we have a limit on the number of artists that can be in Premier, so invitations go out as we have openings, but posting and getting our attention is a good start.

Go with what you like. You'll do a better job of it. Mason is right, realistic facial expressions can really make the difference between otherwise equally well done images. Don't skimp on the sets, they do a lot for realism. Have bodies/faces that are unique and memorable. Check out the images of mature women by IlGeco at 'Rotica, they're outstanding on all three counts. Obviously, if you're doing explicit images, you need attention to detail on the genitalia. You're competing with an enormous body of real photographs and films. Using Poser makes it different and so probably gives you somewhat of an edge in getting noticed, though there's an increasing amount of Poserotica out there. The good news is that most of it is pretty poor. If you're good, you'll really stand out.

What the hell is that smell?!!!!

Wow it was a nice site!

"oh and rmemeber, rotica went on a crusade to ban many/most anime looking pictures (erotic or porn) i know what i am talking about, my gallery was once nearly deleted..." Funny My---er Tentacus's are all still there. ehehehe(Just outed myself) Maybe the pics removed were TOS violations (Obviously under-aged characters maybe?) I seriously considered Doing this for money a while back... But for one I don't know how to actually go about getting paid for it. Also the volume of work I'd need to complete would be pretty difficult I think. I pretty much lost interest halfway thru a long, and complex comic series I did on rotica a while back after a short burst of Pervy creativity. H_H Oh and Ernyoka Now that I outed myself thanks for the recent comment. ^_^ (Blush)

[ "oh and rmemeber, rotica went on a crusade to ban many/most anime looking pictures (erotic or porn) i know what i am talking about, my gallery was once nearly deleted..." Funny My---er Tentacus's are all still there. ehehehe(Just outed myself) Maybe the pics removed were TOS violations (Obviously under-aged characters maybe?)] Anime is a tough call for Rotica. We do not allow ANY images of children on our site (whether the image is erotic or not). Anime tends to look childlike to begin with. If it looks TOO childlike, it goes.

Gah now you're making me curious, Berserga.. I take it you're using another name "over there"? I have an anime pic at r'otica which SOME have said was too childlike. Of course I do not agree, or I wouldn't have posted it, but yeah, anime IS a tough one. (I have somoe other pics there too, just for the record. Not using this name but I don't think I'm hard to find though L) lmckenzie... L I never knew you could eat bukkake.. er.. uhm.. bad wording.. that it was ALSO made of noodles. And I think bukkakke is like porn in general - everybody knows about it, a LOT of people look at it, but hardly noone will ever admit it - let alone admit MAKING it :o) Heh and those who look at id aren't enjoying it either ;o)

"I never knew you could eat bukkake..." A classic line if there ever was one! I thought you lived in enlightened Scandanavia. You mean noone admits it over there either? Hmmm, reconsider travel itenerary. It's almost become like Voldemort in Harry Potter, "He whose name must not be spoken." I saw your pics at the "other place," very nice. Oops, that is, this sinner that I know saw them and said they were nice. PTL

Tentacus would be the name I have used.

As for Anime characters looking Childlike. while it's true Japanese tastes tend to go a bit young, the drawing style IT'S SELF doesn't nessisarily give any impression of age. A highschool girl's uniform on the other hand... ^_- Oh and all my characters are at least 18 (21 in some areas :p)

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Tentacus would be the name I have used. That's YOU?! :oD I LOVED that series. And no, they didn't look "too young" IMO. Heh and for all of us with RaunchyMinds there's another place too on the net ;o) (though there's currently something weird going on with one of their servers :o/ )

"Byrdie, the Premier area of Rotica is a good place. Artists are invited into that area and share a 50% split of subscriptions."

So do you need to have a Premier subscription? I've only got one to the free area. Haven't posted anything yet, though, but I'm thinking about it. Need to browse the galleries a bit more so I can better figure out what appeals & what doesn't. My forays into published erotica have been literary, for the most part, and very successful in terms of audience feedback -- the only "pay" one gets for fanfiction/art.

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?you lived in enlightened Scandanavia?
Denmark is the enlightened Scandinavia! I live in Sweden. We have no many rightwing puritans but instead left winged feminism and the different is not so big. Ok I?m self-leftwing and in some sense ?feminist? but not a fundamentalist. There are some good arguments against porno hens some of the girls in porno industry are treated badly. But this argument not working on the CG-porno, but the fundamentalists want to ban it to.
I have made some Anime ?hentai? fanart and want to post it somewhere. If not on rotica so I know where to put it?

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You can post anime/hentai on Rotica as long as the characters don't look like children.

byrdie, no you don't need to subscribe to the Premier area (although it's a very good deal for the chance to view some really incredible artwork). We choose Premier artists from our main galleries and occasionally from work we see elsewhere. but if we don't see you, we can't invite you.

Thanks, will see what I can come up with. Though I'm an entirely different critter over there ;-)

lmckenzie.. As Denmark was the first country worldwide to allow picture pornography, I think a lot of people here are kind of fed up with it G After all it's been part of daily life, more or less for the last 30 years or so. So it's just not a big deal. But as in sweden, some groups are starting to make a counter action, mostly against porn'ish commercials and posters. Not (yet) against 3D porn. It's not uncommon to watch porn here, in fact back at the "porno liberation" you could hardly see a danish movie where the actors didn't undress at somepart of the movie, there was a LOAD of more or less softcore films made back then, and I think most people have seen some hardcore porn, and if they're asked they would probably "admit" it too but as with everything related to sex its not exactely something you discuss with your neighbour over the garden wall... Depending on neighbour of course L

Pakled, 'Hentai' is chicken bondage :-D

::snerk:: That sounds like it smacks of the "B" word that gets us all TOS'd -- even from Rotica. Anybody notice that? Btw, this doesn't mean I do that sorta thing in my art or stories (and certainly not in RL!!!) But I do think there should be a bit more leeway where there's a magically transformed human or an alien or somebody in a costume involved. Things can be pretty interesting then ;-) Um, is there an adult flag I should set anywhere regarding this post? It does cover mature subject matter (sex) and I really don't wanna upset any applecarts ;-)

{Btw, this doesn't mean I do that sorta thing in my art or stories (and certainly not in RL!!!) But I do think there should be a bit more leeway where there's a magically transformed human or an alien or somebody in a costume involved. Things can be pretty interesting then ;-)] Read our TOS. Mythical beasts, aliens and such are not included in the "B" category.

Thanks. I already did and it's very nice to know that. As for the other, I guess I just gotta be careful with what I have my wizards get turned into when they run afoul (minds out of the gutter, that wasn't a pun) of incompetent dark sorcerers and there's only one way to break the spell ;-)

I made enough to buy an airpump for my blow-up doll :P

If you have fundamentalists in Sweden, God help you. Maybe we can send you some of ours. Each country has it's own peculiar hangups around sex. Japan produces some of most extreme and bizarre erotica on the planet and yet they prohibit the explicit display of genitals. Italy, home of the Vatican, at one time at least, produced a lot of 'naughty nun' sex films. For some strange reason, a lot of people are far more indignant and energetic about eliminating images of people having sex than they are about eliminating war, poverty or pollution.

"Each country has it's own peculiar hangups around sex. Japan produces some of most extreme and bizarre erotica on the planet and yet they prohibit the explicit display of genitals." That Law is a hold over from the early days of the post war occupation. Though Japan historically has been very free minded about the depiction of sex in art, (You should see some of those old ink paintings!) During the Imperialist years, this wasn't the case. Even Kissing was banned in movies. The allied occupation actually brought back most of these freedoms, but set a definate limit when it came to showing detailed adult genitalia, or groins touching etc... I think it was this restriction that led to so many weird fetishes popping up in Japan. I mean you can't show a Penis, but you can show a tentacle. This probably also didn't hurt the rise of Lolicon in the earliest 80s adult anime OVAs. (Cream Lemon, and the Lolita series)