Do all Brycers have to hate the Vue interface? Are all Vue-ers ex-Brycers who will "never look back"? Are Brycers and Vue-ers doomed to fighting each other for eternity? ;-) No, my friends! I own both, and dearly love them both! The new version of Vue may be really impressive (they've overhauled most of everything and added some really cool lighting options), there's still stuff I prefer to do in Bryce. I had to say it. My 2 cents.

I wholeheartedly agree with all the above :-)

I agree. I think one should work in what they feel comfortable doing, and if you master both, that doubles your creative opportunity and output.

I have both and like both, they each have their strengths and weaknesses, too bad they aren't compatible so that you could interchange files.....

I don't think it's hate..I think it's personal preference. I have both & prefer Vue for various reasons. In fact if Daz doesn't bring Bryce up to speed so to speak, I'll probably dump it. Not because I hate it, I just prefer it. The interface suits me better, it's more windows oriented & that's what I'm used to in all my apps. I do think Brycers are more loyal though and I think that this is confused with "hate"...I am not loyal to ANY software...For example if E-ON/Curious Labs/Jasc-Corel etc decided to put the software in limbo..I'll move on, I'm not a patient women ;) LOL. If I can afford it I like the newest & latest. This IMHO causes me less work & frustration down the road. Again MY personal preference.

We dont hate Vue. Its a good app and excellent imagery can come out of it. But something thats so damn tiresome for most Brycers, is to constantly having to hear just how much Bryce sucks, its so outdated, why dont we ditch it and buy the superior Vue, blabla blabla blabla etc. As far as i know, its still the guy behind the wheel that makes a difference, not the program, no matter how superior an app may be. There is a limit on how much crap one should accept, especially when a comment like "Bryce sucks" means the exact same thing that your work does as well. I personally dont use Vue, because i dont like the UI or the controls. I find them unworkable, so its not for me. But that doesnt mean that its a bad app at all.

Ditto what Rochr said, and as far as postwork & or adding to a render with a 2d app, I prefer the control on certain details that no 3d app to date can handle. Even the pros re-touch video frame by frame for finite control. I've even encorporated what I've learned in 3D apps into 2d. Give a try sometime, you'd be surprised.

I don't hate it either.
Different strokes folks!!

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I think the same thing goes for any software company....there are trolls in every forum....Poser sux/Vue sux/Bryce sux/Daz Studio sux etc...it seems to me no one is ever happy with anything..bitch..bitch...bitch..instead of trying to find solutions or ask for help.

I tryed a demo of vue once, but it was so buggy I had to uninstall it again. But from the little I got to see, vue had some options that I could really like for bryce to get. Like working in layers. But I dont hate any program just because I use Bryce :o)

TRAITORS!!! I hate poser because I use bryce...but that's just me. And the fact that poser characters always look fake. Almost always.

I agree with what all of you have said. I use Bryce, i have DAZ Studio(it sux;)) I have wings, don't use or have ever used Poser, Vue, Lightwave, 3d studio max. But i will not say either of them sux or anything bad about them because i have never used them so how would i know the good or bad in them. I am only able to do somethings in Bryce but i'm learning, hardest thing for me with bryce is texturing individual sections of a model due to only being able to use one hand, but i'm sure i'll find a better way than holding a pen or pencil in my mouth to hold down the ctrl key to pick the section i want to texture.

I tried the Vue4 demo awhile back. I didn't really like the interface, but I was impressed by the results, mainly the skies/atmospheres. I think Bryce spoiled me for the higher end progs, since Bryce is so easy to use. I might make the jump to Vue5 though. Not being much of a postwork expert, Vue offers excellent results right out of the box, especially with all the new Vue5 features. I've been trying for maybe 5, 6 yrs to make a Bryce sky look un-cheesy, and it's getting frustrating as hell. No matter how you slice it (without postwork), Bryce skies don't look too realistic. I wonder what Bryce6 skies will do?

I learned 3D with Bryce, but had a hard time getting aquainted with the interface of Vue (trial version) It offcourse takes some time but it shouldn't be so hard to get to know vue when you've worked with Bryce for a long time? Johannes

LunarTick - I can't help wondering why you don't get some handyman or machine-shop to make you some kind of little gizmo. It couldn't be too difficult to design something, so that when you wanted to press ctrl you could just lean on something with your elbow. And ctrl, alt, shift, spacebar etc.

pogmahone i had thought about that and started to have a friend help me to design such a gizmo a few years ago which in the long run would have been put on the market for anyone that needed such a device to aide them using a keyboard.
The one down fall we had was when we asked around all the machine-shops, handymen it was going to cost much more than we had ever thought.
The cheapest we could get it done for and the price was quoted on a cheap version using scrap material which was partly metal and plastic was $143.00AUD.

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Attached Link: Logitech

AS, thats great thanks. only $55.00AUD. Will see if i can get one here in Aus if not i'll order one either on the net or get my Logitech dealer to get it in for me. I have their 4 button optical mouse at the moment and that is great.

I did a quick look, you can get 5 button mice from other companies for less money, but hey, EIGHT buttons...and if it would work for you, that would be awesome. I would contact them first, though to make doubly SURE regular keyboard keys can be mapped to it (ctrl, shift, etc). I just didn't see anything on their site that explicitly said the mice could do that. (but, I would assume they could) AS

I use Nostromo game pad for all of my software, I higly reccomend it for modeling and gaming !!! :) Click HERE to check it out, i use older model, n50, sold in videogame stores for like 25 US$ :)

Oh...and another quick opinion on Vue vs. Bryce; Yup, no real animosity between users, it just really almost always comes down to what each person likes in their GUI. ;o) AS

I think the interface in the case of Bryce and Vue is the important issue. The results (IMHO) from Bryce and Vue seem very similar to me. I don't know vue at all, but I can't see much point going through a vue learning curve in order to produce the same level of crap that I do now.

My decision for going with Bryce as opposed to Vue was simple. On my Mac Vue crashed every 5 minutes. Whereas I have yet to get a "application has unexpectedly quit" message with Bryce. Furthermore, I found Bryce to be more fun to use, whereas Vue was more like work.

Here are the buttons.....

I think that problem of animosities between bryce-vue communities' lies in very different approach to the interface in both applications.

Very original Bryce approach is very different from more classical 3D interfaces as Vue has. If you learned only one of them it may be difficult to switch to another.

Knowing Vue interface I could relatively easily use Cinema 4D or Lightwave, but initially I had a lot of problems with Poser which is more similar to Bryce in its interface.
And vice-versa someone who learned Bryce interface may find Vue interface unusual. (although actual Vue 5 interface offers options that can make such change easier - ex. you can work only on one view and perform all operations inside it - however I still prefer 4 views :-))

Lucky are those who really learned both applications and are able to take the best form each of them.

It's strange that there is very little discussion ex. what is better Vue or Cinema, Bryce or Lightwave ? But it's maybe because those applications are designed for different users...

I wish a nice week-end to all Brycers !
May creativity be with you !

Cheers,

Robert

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no problems here..only beef I had with Vue was that it wouldn't run on Win 2k..but 3 does, and it's 'amazing' how much it resembles Bryce..;) I still have it loaded, should probably trot it out again..hey, if you get good results, I don't care what tools it used..;)

I have both Vue and Bryce but Ive put Vue on the back burner. Bryce, having been around longer and having a better reputation than the Johnny-come-lately Vue, became my steady stable for terrain generation. Although Vue has the more traditional GUI, with which Im quite familiar with from the use of 3D Studio over the years, I find it less intuitive than Bryce to use. I think I would use Vue more if there was interchangeability between it and Bryce. With Bryce, it was love at first sight even when it was solely relegated to the Mac domain. Both packages can produce gorgeous scenes, but Bryce is my baby for terrain and background generation as it stands now.

I have Vue4 and don't use it too much because it has issues with my computer. I've tried it on my friend's computer and the results are similar to Bryce IMHO. There are some pros and cons of course. I have yet to try Vue Pro, I've seen some very sweet results. I also agree with dougcd on the Bryce skies. @Swade_Hey I have a mouse just like that one and Iv'e been very pleased with it ;-) As far as the issue here I personally have no animousity towards Vue. I do prefer to use Bryce because I'm more accustomed to it, it has spoiled me rotten.

Aye, I have Bryce 5 and NO Vue. I can't really justify buying Vue since from a money-making standpoint Bryce can take care of most of my needs. Instead, I chose Rhino 2. Last year it was Lightwave 7. I'd rather have a plethora of tools than two tools alone that are very similar... But I'm trying to keep an open mind about Vue. We'll see what DAZ does with Bryce 6... then I'll buy one of them...