I expect this to be deleted, so read it while you can

I am officially resigning as a volunteer photo coordinator from RR

My crime, as brought up to administration,
this "unprofessional" statement made within a public forum:
"I can't back a dictatorship, & don't agree with how things have been handled...
if I ever get to a point where I can't empathize with you, please kick my @ss out..."

I don't need the aggravation... I can't stop being me,
I care for the artists of this site,
thought I could make a difference but I can't...
not when I'm still one of you
I only want to make my pictures,
look at the gallery, comment & share,
& live my life in peace~
thank you for all your support
& good luck to the powers that be!

please remove my name from the header

Message edited on: 02/12/2005 15:50

This is a big loss to the RR Community as I feel you were truely one of the best they've ever had Cindy. You know that I understand more than anyone how difficult it is. You keep being yourself..... it's the Cindy we all know and love.

So sorry to read this, Hugs

Couldn't agree more. A great loss to the forum and I use the word "forum" loosely Forum = open discussion doesnt it? There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind as long as your opinion is the same as theirs. Will always back you 100% LP over and out. Go ahead delete it and seal your fait!

i couldn't agree more with Chelle and LP. r'osity just bit itself in the ass with the loss of Cindy. i guess the way i have to look at it, with the exception of Cindy and Michelle...the so called "staff" is a dime a dozen as long as they're "party members" and toe the "pary line". and yeah...the allusion to communist regimes is quite intentional. (btw, DB...good luck my man...yer gonna need it. yer cool and yer a big boy...but watch yer back my friend!) censorship sucks the big one...so have a blast r'osity...kill the f***in' thread but it sure as hell won't change the reality of what's happening.

"divorce" party at my place...BYOB!! lmfao

May I just add I dont get the thing about Rosity bashing, never heard of an organisation that refuses to listen to its peers! To quote the Manic Street Preachers IF YOU TOLLERATE THIS YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE NEXT James Dean Bradfield

yeah, i've been puzzling over that one too. unless of course they believe we're not their peers and therefore "unqualified" to critisize them. and that's what i'm actually thinking it is. oh well...they've made their bed...just hope they enjoy the thorns in it. lol

I'll just say it's their and our loss, Sparkles. But whatever happens in life, you have to be yourself. Otherwise, what the Hell's the point of it all? -=>Donald

I get the feeling there's a walkout in progress (members and mods) :( I do hope you're continuing to be a member.

Well...I don't expect this to be Deleted....well not what You have Posted Cindy, as it is a Forum for doing just that. And...We have gained a lot...especially Me...from Your Free Time....and I am glad You have Posted here...YOU....and not a Sugar Coated Notice of Officialdom that may State...Cynlee Resigned....Ooh! She MUST be a Baaaaaaad Girl. Proud of You....at least You live in the Land of the Free. I salute You....with much Respect!...which is the Word on the Street....Respect!

I guess I don't watch what goes on behind the scenes enough. But to be honest, with the stepping down of Michelle, then Misha, and now Cyn, I am getting a bit worried that something is going on that probably would get me a bit aggrivated if I knew the facts. There are few that I would stand behind blindly but I do have a feeling that these 3 would constitute a good start. Should we be concerned for the longevity of the forum itself? Should we perhaps gather a bunch of E-mail addy's just to be safe? I love most of the peopel here and to be honest I would greatly miss the interaction I have with them. Cyn, Be yourself, there is no one better qualified. As for a dictatorship, I hate regimes. Should we plan for a coup de ta?

Very sad to read this, I do hope you will still be here in the galleries.

You guys are the best!!! This forum is/was/could still be one of the best, we don't have all the bickering here as some of the others... I have never been party to or seen RR bashing here... I luv this site & the artists who make up the site... There are a lot of good people behind the scenes who can work within the system... I took on the job of coordinator because Michelle asked me & I wanted to carry on what she so lovingly nurtured & built with help from others that had faith in her & still do... but when I am asked to compromise my beliefs & my friends, put my personal feelings aside for the better of the community, not make statements that are considered "RR negative"... (which I still don't see myself saying there) well, I guess I'm just not staff material... anyway, I am sorry to have chosen such an unprofessional way of resigning but hey... that's me... I like to keep that personal touch... & I don't plan on leaving but continue posting my pictures, commenting & having fun!!! :] lots of luv! XOXO!!! cindy :] PDA

hi,Cyn. i think i can understand you. the most important thing is, dont delete your gallery and stay here by your friends. your artwork is much loved. * HUGZ * !!!!!!!! #:O) !!!!!!!!!! gerhard

as i mentioned in my comments to your gag order pic, i am surprised at the politics on this site...sorry it worked out for you this way, but your photography will always be appreciated for what it is....FIRST RATE!

I'm verrrrry sorry to see you go, Cindy, but i don't blame you for stepping down...not a bit. i'm all for freedom, and I also back you 100%. I think you have the right to speak your mind, even it differs from the "powers that be." Our freedoms are being taken away everywhere. If you can't speak your mind here in the forum, then why would you want to continue to volunteer here? no, you can't stop being you, and why should you wanna try to be someone else? If you can't be yourself here AND be coordinator, then i understand why you step down. I would do the same. I'm also having some really bad vibes. Two people step down in 2 days...and Michelle just left a few months ago. sigh Like i said, i wouldn't do this job for the world. I mean, you're not even paid to do this job, so what's the point in continuing to do it if you can't speak your mind and be yourself? Like you said, you don't need the aggravation. anyway, you're a helluva an artist and you do one helluva a job in here. luv you just the way you are and I will raise the freedom flag with you girl! I hope you are still planning on being around!!!! hugest hugggggggzzzzzzzz sheila

oh, i see now that you ARE gonna still be around!! Yippppeeeee!!!! Ok, let's have fun in here!!! I mean, uh...are you still gonna be around in here as a regular member??? i sure hope so!!!!!!!

glad to see you're not leaving the site and look foward to seeing your uploads....always wondered how your free spirit would fit into the rr system..now i know..lol

Cyn - Contrary to what might be thought, I too am very sadden to see you leave. You did an outstanding job as Coordintator and it will be a loss to Rosity to see you leave the team. As with all things, there are two sides, and due to the Non Disclosure Agreement, that all staff members must sign, I am not privy to discuss mine. But, please note, I did not, "bring" your statement to the attention of the Admins - they had already taken note. Again, all staff members sign an NDA, which we are all obligated to abide by - shrug. I take the blame for not emphasising that point enough when you were brought onto the team - My Bad! Also, Just for the Record - no one ever asked you to resign, in fact, the opposite is true - I asked you not to resign! What can I say, but ... being a staff member is not an easy job. And I do truly appreciate all that you have done, and I am sure will continue to do for the community. You are a great asset to the community. Thank you for all the hours you have spent sharing your time and talent. Sincerely, Dee-Marie

I 2 belive you were truely one of the best they've ever had...and Im proud on your behalf..that U dont compromise on what U belive in!!!! The world needs moore people like U!!! Looking forward to see lot more of your gorgeous work...can imagin that U getting more time..for your own creativity!!! The credit and honnor you're achiving from all us other RR folks..that admires U!!!! luv 'ya!!!! Puss & Kram

What now!? Dark clouds are taking away the light. What is happening? Are there green cubes on the horizon? Do we have to call dr. Susan Calvin to solve a positronic brain dysfunction? Did I appear once again in the wrong parallel world? Aaaarrrrrrrggggggghhh! stamping feet Will this world never change? Why are systems always designed in a way the true artists cannot fit in? Is J.S. Bach imprisoned again? Or does Rembrandt has to use his paintings as packing-paper for the take-away Chinese? sigh hand in Einstein-hairs I'm terribly sorry you've come in this situation, Cyn! I am glad you stay here (Photography wouldn't be the same without you) and pulllleeeaase, never stop being you!!! Personal integrity is a part of life as I've learned, and letting that go would violate the one who you are. So your choice is very wise although I regret with the others you being a coordinator :~( Thank you so much for what you've done!!! siiiiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhh

Dee, I'm just wondering when an NDA (which doesn't stand up in court in the vast majority of cases, btw) is an excuse for not doing the right thing? I'm also wondering what r'osity feels it has to hide when requiring its volunteer staff to sign one. It's certainly not as though Cindy were giving the "secrets" of the server away. Or passwords or anything else involved with the actual running of the site. (Maybe if she had, the worthless database might have been run in the correct manner.) I think you and the rest of the "powers" at r'osity fail to realize that without the work of the artists being uploaded free of charge to r'osity, you wouldn't have your "kingdom" to play with in the first place. Is this the manner in which they're thanked? By censorship, repression of ideas and back-stabbing? It certainly appears to be from my point of view. Excuses are a dime a dozen. Positive action is quite rare. I'm only seeing and hearing excuses around here. A sad statement to the effectiveness of the "leadership" I might add. Maybe if all of you were more concerned with honesty and the just treatment of the rest of the staff and the members, there wouldn't be a need to change volunteer staff on such a regular basis. When it becomes a "crime" to stand up for the individuals who are the very reason for the existance of this site, something has gone terribly wrong. And that is NOT an opinion...that is a statement of fact. Regardless of your excuses and protestations of innocence, the majority of blame lies squarely on your shoulders. I guarantee you that had you treated Cindy with the respect she justly deserves, she would still be here as a coordinator. Cindy has been a mentor and guide for the majority of photographers since their first day on r'osity. She is the one person who has made this a positive experience for all of us. Most importantly, she has earned our respect and love with hard work and dedication. Can you say the same?

Ah yes great logic and reasoning from geneb19 . It is very noticeable who puts the most in and who drifts in and out. The statement is as non committal as I have ever seen, and hiding behind a NDA is Oh so convenient! If you stepped down you could then talk without obligation to the NDA.!!! One simple and impulsive action made most or all of this happen, and yes I agree with geneb19 100% that most of this sits firmly on your shoulders. You now have a choice to stand by the majority or bow down to the minority run with the sheep or hunt with the wolves The recent forum and gallery activity speaks volumes, and just goes to show where the majority of members stand. Sincerity is one thing honour is something entirely different.

cynlee - I don't see this as a loss to me, I see this as a burden lifted from cynlee's shoulders and now she can continue helping, commenting, sharing as always!! I see this as a lost to the RR team, as they lose a dedicated, caring co-worker.

both jan-carel and gene make excellent points. Personal integrity IS verrrrry important. You have to do what you feel is right. I just don't blame Cindy a bit for stepping down. She said in this thread she felt like she had to compromise her values and her friendships and had to put her own personal feelings aside for the "betterment" of this community. i certainly understand why you are stepping down, Cindy. I don't consider Cindy to be "unprofessional" either. She treats people with kindness, gentleness, and fairness. And she speaks her mind. I'm glad she does. What Gene said about Cindy: "Cindy has been a mentor and guide for the majority of photographers since their first day on r'osity. She is the one person who has made this a positive experience for all of us. Most importantly, she has earned our respect and love with hard work and dedication." ...well, it's absolutely true! As i said in another thread, volunteers are verrrrry special. I was a volunteer most of my life. Also, at one job, i overseed our volunteer activities. The most important thing is to always remind volunteers of how special they are...because they ARE. People who give freely of their time to help others without expecting a dime in return need a LOT of pats on the back and encouragement. I do wonder how much support and encouragement Cindy has been given. Michelle, Misha, and Cindy, have now all gone and i'm just terribly, terribly sad about it. The high turnover of staff here in the forum says something. my opinion is we should be allowed to express our opinions and talk about things openly. i think an open forum is all about, well...openness. and i think it's a shame when paid and unpaid staff can't say how they feel if they might have something "negative" to say about the group. If Cindy or other staff (paid or unpaid) sees problems in the forum or elsewhere in RR, well, i just don't understand why it's considered "unprofessional" to talk about the problems they see, and talk about it publically. When you communicate openly, then if there are problems within the system, well, that open communication is one way to solve the problems. I believe that people in leadership positions should encourage open discussion. But sadly, it seems like just about everywhere you go, expressing a "dissenting" opinion is not encouraged. sigh this whole thing just makes me really sad and disappointed. i guess that's all i have to say for now. hugz Cindy!

Normally, NDA's cover things we're not meant to mention publicly until given permission to do so. Like software release info provided by a company or big site changes that may still be in the planning stage. No one wants their hard spent hours of work undermined by someone speaking about their project before their project is ready for public viewing. It can cause problems later on when things that were speculation are not implemented but were presented to the public as fact prematurly. I don't know what all happened here to cause anyone to leave but I thought I'd just help you understand why even a volunteer (which, by the way, we all are on some level) would be required to sign an NDA.

Message edited on: 02/13/2005 10:02

if the thread had not been moved to Mt. Doom in the first place then it would not have called attention to administration... but since it had, then they too became involved & no, I never said to anyone! that you asked for my resignation or threatened to fire me... but believe what you will... my decision to leave is entirely mine for the reasons given... i musta been temporarily dazed to agree to a NDA where i cannot express my view openly... i was not putting you or RR down, & was hurt that it was viewed that way... & i am really sorry this has caused you stress, i am NOT declaring war but i can not in all good consciousness enforce rules that are no where to be found or have to be read from in between the lines & see members/friends belittled & patronized & treated with little respect

AS a direct result of the over the top, disrespectful, and rude comments that have been direct toward me. And to save the Forum from stress, I am resigning my Photo Forum Post. I am truly sorry for any stress and angst that my actions have caused - Again - I have always tried to be fair and helpful. But, alas, I am human - I made a mistake in moving the thread - and as a result of trying to correct that error a Forum WAR has broken out. I am tired of sitting at the computer in tears - and quite frankly, I do not wish to have another stroke due to the hateful words of this group towards me. I am not only leaving the Photo Forum, but will also be leaving Renderosity. I do this to keep peace and to keep peace of mind. Please note that I wish you all well and I really did [up until last week] enjoy my stay with you. Sincerely Dee-Marie

I will publicly ask you to please, reconsider.

now THAT is a terrible major loss!! because even though you have your faults like we all do & i do, you did a ton of good work for RR, over & beyond the call of duty! & i hope people will see that too!! you are a person with feelings & i am really sorry that you have become a victim & casualty because RR really needs you! :'(

Thank you Sir T, You are very gallant, as always, and I adore that you would come to my support. Your friendship is treasured. Please note, that I am not "slinking off," and although some may feel it is a victory for their side - I do not feel like there are any winners - we have all lost something through all of this. However, due to my stroke last year, and the recent death of my service dog, the death of several of my close Rosity Artist - whose obituarires I have written, and now this. I am truly emotionally-spent. It is time for me to leave. I wish you all the very best. Sincerely, Dee-Marie

I too will publicly ask you to reconsider!

Hey Cyn, thanks for the kind words As to my faults - yeah, I know I have a ton, we all do, but that is what makes us human - shrug. I truly did support you, I appreciated ALL the work that you did in the forums, and in the community, and truly did not want you to resign, and did much to keep it from happening. gentle hugs Dee-Marie

Thank you Sandy - You have been the bright spot in my daily Rosity life- I love you very much, Hugs Dee-Marie

And you in mine sweet lady. I love you too and will miss you :O) Hugs back to you Sandy

Good luck to both of you, Deemarie and Cynlee. I hope you can look back at your time here and find a few good memories.

no victory here... you have come to my aid in the past on problems, that i would never deny, you've been under a great deal of stress... the photo gallery/forum are not easy to run, it's a huge responsibility... one that i don't want either... again, i am sorry Dee it came to this... we did have fun & i did enjoy working with you in the short time we've been together... you do what you feel you have to, just as i have & we can all move on... RR will not fall apart over it but hopefully come together & be stronger ...my hugz too

I donot know what happen but I tell you resign and deleteing your gallery will not change R.R. at all . R.R. will do what it do no matter what. I donot come to the photo formus much but when I do it peaceful here compare to bryce forum where they cut you and smile about it and give each other high fives. Bryce got it good points too. But this photo forum is nice to come to. hope no one leaves R.R. just keep on posting and go about your way here in R.R. [ I got an image deleted by R.R. that had no nudes or any thing that would get it deleted but they came up with something that you have to read between the lines and then guess at it; lol. I know how R.R. can be] just because a few people was offined by the image. hope I make cent here sometime I do not can not write too good .

Holy crap.. feels like everytime I log into the forum someone else is leaving. o_O Dark clouds are gathering over RR, but I hope we can drive them away :(

I am not happy to hear that you, too, are resigning, Dee-Marie. It makes me sad. and i'm sorry all this has put you under so much stress. sigh. as i said in a previous thread, you (and the other mods/coords) need a lot of support and encouragement for the the job that you do. and you need to be acknowledged for a job well done. It's not easy job you do by any means. We're all human. We all make mistakes. We all make errors in judgment. Being a mod or coord. is a huge responsibility. And it's not easy when there is conflict, as there most certainly will be. it's part of life. i certainly don't condemn you or hate you. i think you're a sweet person doing a very hard job. i don't see eye-to-eye with everyone. if i disagree with someone, i try to express it in a way which doesn't come across as mean or disrespectful. i sometimes fail though. like everyone else, i'm human. if any of the words i said hurt you or made you feel bad, i apologize. i don't want to hurt you or anyone else. i just wanted to express my opinion. i wanted to express my feelings. i hope i didn't hurt your feelings in the process, Dee-Marie. I think everyone here should be entitled to say what they think and how they feel, including you. and i think that members of RR, and staff of RR should be permitted to speak openly if they feel there's a problem with the system. But that's just my opinion, and i know that my opinion on this subject really doesn't matter. i'm nobody here...just someone who likes to take pictures. As for that NDA stuff, well, i don't know what the agreement says. i don't know if signing it obligates one to NOT express any dissent toward RR. i understand that certain things should not be "disclosed," and that makes sense and sounds reasonable. But my opinion is that people should be entitled to communicate openly about "the system," and how things are done as long as they are not giving away secrets and important information that needs to be guarded. i just feel like open communication can lead to RR being a better place to be. If people are having problems and issues, then i just think expressing them is the first step toward resolution. i don't feel like a "war" has broken out here, although if i were in your shoes i might feel differently about that. i don't know. what i see is people expressing their opinions and emotions. Sometimes we feel strongly about certain issues and feel we need to make a stand. I stand on the side of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. i believe those freedoms do carry a responsibility to express ourselves in a nonviolent way. i hate violence. i haven't seen anyone be violent here. i've heard people expressing their feelings and opinions. Does that mean we're at war? i don't see it like that. I see it as people expressing thoughts, feelings, and opinions. I am not trying to invalidate your feelings or opinions by stating and expressing mine own. anyway, i, i'm very sorry for all the stress you've been under...both here and in your personal life. I am sorry to see you go, but i do understand. Your physical and emotional well-being is very important. you have to take care of yourself. you can't risk your health. i have enjoyed knowing you Dee-Marie. You have been very kind to me. And you have worked hard for RR. i hope you will at least be back as a member. whatever you decide though, i wish you the best...and i'm so sorry for the pain and stress you're dealing with. hugz sheila

sigh I have been and still am very saddened by all that has happened here.

How a single innocent post on my part regarding an animated banner, managed to spiral out of control, and somehow fester into this total chaotic mess is beyond me.

I have nothing but the greatest respect for all who volunteer their time here both as mods and coordinators. The job is not easy, it's often thankless, and it's far too easy to the brunt of upset feelings.

DeeMarie I know you tried your hardest to handle things as best as you knew how. And I am grateful to you for having taken on the job for me, when I was desperate to break away..... I feel horrible with these recent turns, and I worry about your health. It really is not good for you. I wish you well and nothing but the best. And no believe me there's no victory in your stepping down. Everyone loses. :~(

I've said it before and I'll say it again, my biggest fear when I left was that this place would become another Poser Forum (which I will respectfully keep my opinion of too myself)..... We've always been a laid back group of people here, very opinionated sometimes yes, and aside from maybe one or two incidences in all the time I've been here both as a member and a mod, any differences that may have occured were handled civilly and with mutual respect for all involved. As you may have or may not have noticed we as a group of people and a forum are different than the others, and I like to think too, a little bit better than everyone else. To use the "freckled faced step children" analogy (which I never took as being disrespectful, sorry if some interpreted it that way, for me it is a term of endearment) we are different and we revel in our differences. And this group when I took over became my group of "children".... to be nurtured and loved. And treated like a part of the family..... This is what makes our forum special.

I hope that whatever happens we can still be the same group of people we've always been..... I'm worried .... very worried....

And I am also very very sorry about all of this......

What ever happens now, as a final word I will say that it's been quite the experience getting to know all of you... I hope it can continue as it was.....

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Dee I am sorry if you feel that some of the comments that were made were disrespectful and rude, we are all passionate and emotional set of individuals, things sometimes get heated. Whilst I am sure some of my comments may be in some way responsible for your decision, they were not aimed directly at you or any other individual. There are a set of events that cumulatively have spiralled out of control. I certainly dont blame any one person and in a way we are all at fault at the same time none of us are. None of us know about the personal issues that other members are going through past or present, nor can we allow for what we dont know. I am sorry to hear that you too have resigned; my comment was aimed at the NDA and not personally at you, if you mis-interpreted it then I am truly sorry and I should have made it clear in what I wrote. I certainly dont see your resignation as a victory; there are never winners in any battle of any kind. I wish you all the best Simon

Dee, The uproar at r'osity will pass, dear one. :-) Hey, just look at it as something to take our minds off our drab "real world" lives. What you did wasn't in any way done to be nasty. And what you did has been blown way out of proportion by a lot of people, especially myself. Once again, I do apologize for creating an atmosphere that made you decide to leave. I never wanted to see that at all. There is no sense of victory when it involves losing someone who is a good person. Believe me when I say that I know you are a good person too. Forgive me for stating things too strongly or harshly and for feeling I was "protecting" a very dear friend. The things I said were never intended to make you resign. Michelle, I revel in the fact that I'm a "freckled faced step child". (Although I've always heard it phrased "red-headed step child". hehe) You bear no blame for this happening either. You didn't make any of us voice our opinions nor did you force us to say anything we didn't choose to say. As you well know, that's the purpose of an open forum. While things might be said that others don't like or appreciate, they are hopefully said in honesty...and that's all I can ask. I also feel this is a very healthy outpouring of viewpoints that should have occured long ago. Yourself nor Dee either one, are to blame for the rules and regulations being what r'osity make them. It's the owners and officers who have to accept that responsibility. If be voicing our opinions, a decision to become more understanding and more human is made by them...then we've accomplished something positive. (I won't hold my breath however. :-/) Ok...isn't it time we got on with Life now? We've all beat ourselves and everyone else up about this so it's time to let the bruises and cuts and scrapes heal so we can do it again at a later time. ;-) (I for one intend to start wearing elbow and knee pads though! The head gear is a little overboard though so I'll leave it in the closet. hehe) Peace and Light to everyone here on r'osity!!

Sorry, I'm late and didn't know about what happened, but I can imagine because I noticed some problems like this in other forums and got mails about the stuff what is going on there. And I was wondering why I never noticed the stuff in this forum. I think that it was Cynlees service and careness about us all so that we were protected from overruled stuff! I guess when she isn't the good soul here anymore we will have the same problems like the other forums. If everybody resigned we don't have much fun in future. We perhaps must look for another or our own community. LOL I admire you, Cynlee, for your courage and that you say what you think! ;o) I really wish it will work out to our best!

Attached Link: Byrdwatcher, a field guide to the Byrds of LA

I can only hope the good souls will continue here as i plan to & the use of "checks & balances" can be applied across the board... this may be terribly out of place & OT... but i do not have a photo or any more of my own words to express my feelings right now... but i do have a song that just popped into my head to help soothe & let us move on, i have found music to be good for the soul... i hope some of you will remember it... may i just quote a stanza or 2 & share in it's history: *"There is a season, turn, turn, turn And a time to every purpose under heaven A time to build up, a time to break down A time to dance, a time to mourn A time to cast away stones A time to gather stones together To everything, turn, turn, turn There is a season, turn, turn, turn And a time to every purpose under heaven... A time for peace, I swear it's not too late"* "Roger McGuinn of the Byrds arranged "Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is A Season)" for Judy Collins on her 1963 album, Judy Collins #3 (Elektra, 1963) In 1965 it was then released by the Byrds capturing the time of late 1965 The words, were adapted by Pete Seeger from chapter three of the Book of Ecclesiastes Having come from the pioneering wartime generation of Guthrie and Leadbelly, and having paid dearly for his principles -- Seeger and the Weavers were black-listed in the mid '50s for their refusal to cooperate with the House Un-American Activities Committee -- Seeger was considered an elder statesman of the folk music world by the time the Byrds recorded "Turn! Turn! Turn!" what has this to do with the thread? I don't know but i was inspired to share it here

Doesn't have a damned thing to do with the thread...thank God. lol And the Byrds and that specific song are one of my all time favorites. It's also a very good "healing" song and that's what it has to do with this tread...'cause it's time to heal. :-)

These are dark clouds indeed hanging over here now - I am terribly saddened by both resignations both people have contributed loads in their different ways to make the photo forum & R'osity a truly good place to be. It seems only now are people realising that there are human beings at the other end of a line. People with feelings and people who get hurt. Surely these problems would not occur in real life where communication is so much more than words alone. Disputes can only be settled by communication and words are not enough. Words are all I have here though, so I want Dee-Marie & Cindy to know that I value their contribution to the short time I have been here very much and am deeply saddened to think either is hurt or stepping down from their roles. R

that in the Bible Ecclesiastes Chapter 3: 1-8 that why it heals