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Subject: When did Disney buy Renderosity?


btsculptor ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 1:11 PM · edited Fri, 15 November 2024 at 12:33 AM

I have had an image removed from the 2D Gallery today - it can be seen at http://www.byrontaylor.com/afinity.html - and asked to remove links to a photographer's site that has an age-restricted area. All that is in this area of his site are his nudes. Just like the age-restricted area of my site, where mo Poser images are, or similar areas on the sites of several photographers who regularly contribute to Renderosity. One of them has already pulled all of his work. Is this the wave of Renderosity - to turn PG? One of the main applications that made Rendero is Poser, whose main function is to render the human body. Are all Poser figures going to have to be clothed next? This is not why I have a membership here - I came here to experiment with images of the human body without being censored because I showed pictured of "nekkid women!" Is anyone else having problems with this? Bueller?


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 1:35 PM

Hello, This violation refers to the portion of the TOS that states "Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are age restricted due to content, and/or pornographic in nature." This has been in the TOS for a very long time. You agreed to abide by the TOS when registering with Renderosity. Thank you, Stacey Community Manager


btsculptor ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 1:41 PM

but that site has no more "adult" content than does Renderosity!


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 1:47 PM

As the moderator replied to you Age restricted applies to anything that is Stated to be unsuitable for those under the age of 18. As you have that warning on your site it is against TOS to link to it. Thanks Stacey


btsculptor ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 1:49 PM

I thought you had to have that warning on a site that showed as much as a nipple - is that wrong? I thought it was just like the nudity flags here...


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 1:53 PM

Also Renderosity does not show nudity for visitors coming in to the site and the default for not showing nudity is set when registering then members must go in to their profile page to change it if they want to see nudity. There is no age restriction warning on our site. Thanks Stacey


btsculptor ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 2:09 PM

So anyone of any age can click the nudity button and see the nudity on Renderosity?


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 2:30 PM

Yes thats correct. Thanks Stacey


Brendan ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 6:22 PM

"Advertising or linking to any publications and/or web sites that are age restricted due to content, and/or pornographic in nature." Better remove most of the Web Ring Top 15 then!...more links to more smut than you can shake a stick at!


btsculptor ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 6:24 PM

That's kind of what I'm afraid of...


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 7:10 PM

Hello Brendan, If you run across any webring links that are linking to an age restricted site, please IM or email Debbie M. Webring links are put into pending so they can be reviewed before approving and I am certainly not aware of any that are linking to age restricted sites so please let us know which one(s) you are referring to. Thanks Stacey Community Manager


elizabyte ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 7:17 PM

Renderosity does not show nudity for visitors coming in to the site My erotica site doesn't show nudity to visitors. You have to register to see the gallery. Can I link to it from here? (I was told I couldn't, so I haven't, but now I'm wondering just what the actual rules are.) bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 7:25 PM

Bonni, No, you cannot link to an Erotica site as that is different than artistic nudity. As far as the webring links, I am looking in to this as it appears some links where changed after approval. It is hard for us to control links that were changed after the webring was approved. We are going to look in to a better way to handle this. Thanks Stacey Community Manager


elizabyte ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 7:29 PM

It is hard for us to control links that were changed after the webring was approved. We are going to look in to a better way to handle this. Many webring systems allow you to be notified if a URL, title, or other specified factor changes. Perhaps that's something to consider. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 7:33 PM

Thanks for the suggestion Bonni, we will look into that. Stacey


SeanE ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 7:37 PM

who's the leading render site? It's made for you and meeee... r-e-n... d-e-r...o-s-i-t-y!....!


xoconostle ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 8:23 PM

Who is the current Merchant of the Month? ;-)


btsculptor ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 8:45 PM

hee hee hee - yeah, no eritoca there!


Brendan ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 9:05 PM

Thank you for your reply Stacey. I am a little bit mystified by the seeming reduction of criteria as to what is unacceptable, according to the TOS, regarding this particular subject. "If you run across any webring links that are linking to an age restricted site, please IM or email Debbie M. Webring links are put into pending so they can be reviewed before approving and I am certainly not aware of any that are linking to age restricted sites so please let us know which one(s) you are referring to." Has the TOS been suddenly revised? what happened to the "and/or pornographic in nature." part? ----- Minka Moons!...Jenny Juggs!!....Missy Mounds!!!.....Tammy Titans!!!! I could get into this Poser merchandising milarky, Danny Donkey!...Sammy Stonker!!....Benny Bonkstick!!!.....Larry Lovemuscle!!!!...the possibilities for exciting stiff stimulus in the creation of a fecundity of artistic and desirable marketplace products are endless.


kawecki ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 9:10 PM

Easy work around, just remove from your site any warning, age restriction message, any "eroticxxx" + "bondxxx" word and it's done!

Stupidity also evolves!


elizabyte ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 9:17 PM

Danny Donkey!...Sammy Stonker!!....Benny Bonkstick!!!.....Larry Lovemuscle!!!! Someone did submit a male character of that sort. It wasn't allowed. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


xoconostle ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 10:10 PM

Maybe this goes without saying but I meant no disrespect to the merchant. :-)


elizabyte ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 11:43 PM

Maybe this goes without saying but I meant no disrespect to the merchant. :-) Oh, ditto. Definitely. bonni

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 11:45 PM

**It's a small world after all!

It's a small world after all!

It's a small world after all!

It's a small world after all!

It's a small world after all!**

There. Now try and get that out of your head.

Let that be a lesson to you. It's your punishment for dredging this subject up yet again.

Something To Do At 3:00AM 



elizabyte ( ) posted Tue, 31 May 2005 at 11:54 PM

Welcome to Duloc, such a perfect town Here we have some rules, let us lay them down Don't make waves, stay in line And we'll get along fine Duloc is a perfect place Keep your feet off the grass Shine your shoes, wipe your...face Duloc is, Duloc is Duloc is a perfect place

"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch." - Bette Davis


XENOPHONZ ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 12:12 AM

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......hmmmmmm.....hmmmmmmmmm.......hmmmmmmmmmm.........!**

Something To Do At 3:00AM 



takezo3001 ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 7:32 AM · edited Wed, 01 June 2005 at 7:33 AM

"Quote: It's a small world after all! Hmmm.....hmm.....hmmmm......hmmmmm ......hmmmmmm.....hmmmmmmmmm.......hmmmmmmmmmm.........!" One name...

JOHANN SABASTION BACH!!

Any one of his fugues should clear that lil' ditty up REAL quick! ;^D

Message edited on: 06/01/2005 07:33



Mark_uk ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 10:56 AM

"Erotica site as that is different than artistic nudity." and that decision is subjective???


lemur01 ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 11:12 AM

Erotica, from the Greek eros, "love", are works of art, including literature, photography, sculpture and painting, that deal substantively with erotically stimulating or arousing descriptions. Erotica is rather a modern word used to describe the portrayal of human sensuality and sexuality with high-art aspirations, differentiating such work from commercial pornography. Ipso facto, renderosity IS an erotica site. Even the TOS admits it: '... no extreme or explicit S&M bondage situations/ no lewd or obscene sexual references] '. So as long as its not 'extreme' or 'explicit' its ok. Jack


cambert ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 11:16 AM

"that decision is subjective???" Worse than that usually: arbitrary. Why bother having a clear policy when it's more fun to make it up as you go along? That way, decisions depend on what mood you're in. If it's a Monday morning and you're in a crappy mood, the TOS can mean whatever you want it to mean, and people you don't like can suddenly find themselves outside the rules. I also wonder whether it would be a different decision depending on the nude being male or female. My bet is that something relatively tame (say, along the lines of Mapplethorpe's 'Man in a Nylon Suit') would be gotten rid of, whilst the blood-spattered uber-titty brigade march on to conquer the galleries unhindered. It's a thought, isn't it?


StaceyG ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 12:03 PM

Cambert, None of our decisions are based on personal feelings. As we have explained repeatedly, decisions on violations are not made by any one staff member but as a team decision. So the Monday morning crappy mood scenario doesn't fit in to our decisions. We have answered the original questions regarding this topic so before this gets out of hand, it may be time to move on. Thanks, Stacey Community Manager


Bobasaur ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 1:32 PM

For the record: Erotica, from the Greek eros, "love", The Greeks had at least three words we translate as "love." The word "eros" specifically referred to a sexual "love." I suspect it would be better translated as "lust" in the context of our society, even though "love" is used. Somehow saying I "eros" Starbucks Frappaccino's just feels wrong. But I do love them!

Before they made me they broke the mold!
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rdonovan ( ) posted Wed, 01 June 2005 at 7:02 PM

Re #17, 18, 19, 21: lol As long as they look like they're over 18... ;)


cambert ( ) posted Thu, 02 June 2005 at 4:09 AM

Hi Stacey, Thanks for your response. My 'Monday morning' scenario was probably a bit unfair - end of the day grouchiness, I'm afraid. Nevertheless, in the four-ish years I've been here, I've seen a lot of very arbitrary decisions alongside many more principled ones. Come to think of it, the arbitrary ones didn't tend to be about whether any given picture was within the TOS; usually they were more important than that. Sorry if I've been unfair - I know the mods work hard to be fair over TOS issues. Just as an intellectual exercise though, would Mapplethorpe's 'Man in a Nylon Suit' be within the TOS (assuming he'd submitted it himself, of course)? cam


Khai ( ) posted Thu, 02 June 2005 at 4:08 PM

"As we have explained repeatedly, decisions on violations are not made by any one staff member but as a team decision. So the Monday morning crappy mood scenario doesn't fit in to our decisions." I'm sorry.. I hadda comment.. the team ain't human??? - studies have shown Monday Morning Crappy Syndrome affects 99% of the Human Race and the effects last till Tuesday AM (12.01Am New Zealand Time) ;)


shinyary2 ( ) posted Fri, 03 June 2005 at 1:38 AM

Aye, forget Greenwich, let's go to New Zealand time! =) I don't think that Monday Morning would affect everyone in exactly the same way at exactly the same time, and having no one principled enough to postpone his/her vote until he/she could make an objective decision (assuming they are allowed to postpone, of course). Even if they are not allowed to postpone, nevertheless I think that they are in general principled enough to make an objective decision in spite of a bad mood. It's just being mature enough to not take out your frustrations on your website. Just my $.02


bonestructure ( ) posted Sat, 04 June 2005 at 11:13 AM

I find this entire discussion completely absurd

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LornaW ( ) posted Sun, 05 June 2005 at 8:21 AM

Lol! I came into this thread hoping maybe Disney did buy a share of this place. I happen to like Disney, that Prince Charming is a real hunk, hee.. Absurd is lightly put bonestructure, try "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!"


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