I have come to the conclusion that the reason we are seeing so many naked vickys in images is because the people have either one of a few problems.

1, they don't have clothing to put on her.
2, they can't afford to buy anything to dress her in.
3, they use D|S and bought some outfit they thought would look good but they can't seem to get it to fit.
4, they have D|S, V3, Head and Body Morphs and still nothing fits correctly.
5, out of all frustration they find it is easier to just do an image with a naked vicky in it holding a sword or sitting on the ground .

Hmm, i think i fit in there somewhere.

CD
(Frustration Beats everyone sometime)

Message edited on: 07/14/2005 00:14

Deviates!!!

I'd opt for the 'doesn't have a thing to wear' one, luckily my V3 has lots of free clothes from RDNA. I just can't get her in a pic as yet....

i'll opt for 3-5... i just checked and its seems they are my main problems.

Well, given the choice of seeing Naked Vickies vs. Naked Michaels... I don't know, there's something about the female form as compared to the male naked form. All those hanging gibblettes are just not attractive.

Or a hairy back:)

Oh come one guys! You know what women are like! How many times do you hear them saying, "I haven't a thing to wear!"

2, 3, 4, and 5, Arrrrggghhhh!!!!! Plus the same applies to bald Vickys.

"I don't know, there's something about the female form as compared to the male naked form. All those hanging gibblettes are just not attractive." Well, it depends on whom you ask, certainly. :-)))) I'm certain women will generally rather look at a naked male figure than a naked female figure. The main problem is that almost all the naked male and female figures around here are the same or very similar. Apparently nobody heard about the Face Room.

The face room only works on the P5 and P6 figures.

... all the free clothes that are available do not fit well over the .. ermmm... mammary glands and other assets that people love to give their models :) that's the reason maybe?

"The face room only works on the P5 and P6 figures." Oops. Yeah, you're right. Still, a Judy from the Face Room looks better than a cookie-cutter Vickie.

can't keep her in clothes..;) If I'd take the time to learn the cr2, python, and Poser naming convention, I'd just have one big drawer full of clothes, armor, etc..;) 'sides, if I posed the unclothed version, how could I check up on stats at work?..;)
yeah, I've never figured out what it is women see in men..now if only so many of them didn't agree..;)

Well, the swords are cheaper than clothes!!

That's what you think, marc! :-)

Hmm... Besides which, you take an otherwise bummer scene and add a nude Vicky in it, and suddenly it's a masterpiece for some reason. Well, I can guess at the reason, but... AHEM. Anyhow, nude girls attract viewings. =)

Aye, it's all a popularity contest, with sexuality at it's core. Is there anything morally wrong with sexually exploiting women? Nope, they certainly appear to love it. Many of them fight for their right to BE exploited. (shrugs)

Oh, the shame of it all, I only have naked posettes in my images.

uh what's new?

1. They have no clue how the software works that they use and lack determination to learn it. 8. They lack inspiration to create great images. 9. They're so frustrated since they've never seen a real naked woman before, this is the closest they can get. 10. They for sure should have chosen a different hobby, instead of poluting the 3d world and giving Bryce, Poser and Vue a bad name. 11. Unfortunally, they are many of them, so the keep on encouraging each other with untruthfull comments like, "great art or great work and such", thus giving each other the impression they create great art, while in fact they've just created another piece of junk, which is a waste of cyber space.

I'm making an image with a nekkid vickie.... half completed for about 8 months now. (edit - the scene, not the vickie)

Message edited on: 07/15/2005 04:01

@aeilkema 7. They have no clue how the software works that they use and lack determination to learn it i fall in to part of this one but i don't lack the determination but i do lack the ability and time to learn the program. 8. They lack inspiration to create great images. I have never lacked inspiration to create great images, as most of my inspiration comes from most of the great art work done by others on this site. 9. They're so frustrated since they've never seen a real naked woman before, this is the closest they can get I have definitely seen a real woman naked, well i hope my wife is a real woman or someone is in trouble. 10. They for sure should have chosen a different hobby, instead of poluting the 3d world and giving Bryce, Poser and Vue a bad name. Why should i or anyone else that can only use the naked vicky chose another hobby instead of doing 3d art work. Its that kind of attitued that forces people away from the 3d world. CD (Bah, your attitued stinks)

Had to go back 34 images to find a Vickie, and she was clothed. Back 36, vickie, clothes. On to 40, oh look another clothes wearing vickie. Where are all the naked ones? Hey! theres one, naked, kinda. And I can see that ones buttocks. ooooohhhh.

It's a freaking tidal wave of filth and smut. Can't we do a petition or something?

(seriously thinking about doing an animation of a naked vickie walking thru a temple, and posting a frame a day. Cause I so do love these threads.)

Wow, someone's obviously having a bad week. LSD is not an asshole. He's a pretty nice guy, actually... And, um... well, enough said. Stacey is also a nice person and can defend herself if she so wishes. Actually, she has, many, many, many, many times on the community forum. Anyhow...

@Incarnadine- Daz has V3 (and M3, to be fair) for free..(the razor), but without a lot of body and face morphs (the blades).
There's 'some' clothing out there, but the whole bit about 'these clothes fit that model' tend to make the wardrobes a trial at times.

Besides which, I just went through pretty much Renderosity's entire wardrobe for Vicki2 and Vicki3, looking for clothing for a project for a friend of mine. We wanted something sexy, but not overtly sexy (so no bikinis or lingerie). You know what I found? Bikinis and lingerie. It is rediculously difficult to find free semi-modest clothing. It's all either transparent (which could be fixed, I suppose), or open every which way and tight. =)

I have come to another conclusion. I will keep quiet from now on and not post anything on this forum for a few reasons. thanks guys, i think i'll take what aeilkema said in #10 and find another hobby. one where people will help, advise and not ridicule others because of their lack of talent or knowledge of using a program. CD (Was willing to listen and learn. Instead he got a load of BS)

CD-- You shouldn't let one or two people (or any amount, for that matter) get you down. More likely, what they are doing is lashing out in their own frustrations than at you, specifically. Some of us are tired of seeing Vicki3 with the breast dials turned all the way up and specular set to high and not much else, that's all. I've found a really great way to deal with it, however. I simply avoid the Poser gallery like the plague. =) The Bryce gallery has very little in that way, and usually it's more tasteful than the Poser stuff. Maya has almost none at all, as far as I can tell, and same goes for C4D. Wings has none at all, unless someone is modeling their own figure (in which case I'd be the first to cheer them on). So keep at it, but don't ever stop learning. I've been using Bryce for pretty near seven or eight years now, give or take, and I'm still learning a lot. Don't be content simply to use other people's models; pick them apart and see what makes them tick so that you can make them yourself. Download Wings and learn how to use that (draculaz has a really great tutorial here on that subject). Anyway, that's my opinion and my soap box, I suppose. But I really believe that everyone has the ability to make stuff as good as Rochr's, if only they try hard enough and practice enough and learn enough. And I'm sure that Rudy would say the same thing. =)

Hi Pakled- I actually have them (and the morphs) but as you could see from my image on my artist's page I am kinda lazy when it comes to razors and blades (grin) I also am enjoying the challenge working with the mesh editing tools in C4D to bring the figures up to acceptable in each image. Plus there is also the I have never done a naked vickie image! @shinyary2, I agree there are to many spin tyhe dials artworks in some gallery areas but there are also some truly great works as well with naked vickies - try Richardson or Beton for example. Also there is some nudity in the C4D gallery but it is usually done in a more serious and tastful manner. I know I try to keep my attempts that way. Everything else goes over to renderotica and even there I try to keep a clasier and artistic ethic to my erotic works.

Incarnadine-- Also i-popba is very good with artistic nudity. I don't deny that many great works of art have artistic nudity in them; shucks, look at Michaelangelo and Raphael. All I'm complaining about are the dial users, because they hurt themselves by not learning anything and putting themselves on plateaus. I also personally find enormous breasts disgusting. =)

I tend to find the fixation somewhat sad but occaionally humourous, (They usually make me think of one roadside billboard advert for a breast augmentation clinic in Texas, "It's Texas - everything IS bigger".)

Message edited on: 07/15/2005 20:38

Ew...

LOL

I hardly ever look at the thumbnail more than a glance and move on. I'm looking for great images. Unfortunately some of the images that look great judging from the thumbnails have vickies with 6-packs. Hello! The only women I've seen with 6-packs are body builders. Personally, I prefer a toned midriff to a ripped one. The ones with 6-packs scare me.

???

"The Holy Grail of 3D graphics is NOT sexuality." - In art there is no holy grail! - there is only the artist, what he or she wants to say ans the observor and what he or she wants to interpret in relation to the work. "90% of the REAL money involved with our medium-of-choice is NOT sexuality. It's in humor, and realism, and in special effects. The Matrix, Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc, and the Lord of the Rings teach this very lesson." - so only bigtime movie animation is a valid pursuit according to your logic. Architectural and product visualization? Where does art come in? Can it? Nudity does not necessarily equal porn. To claim so is to proclaim that one has some serious personal issues in my opinion. "It's tantamount" to being a rapist/drug user/illegal arms seller..." A bit over the top here aren't we? Ah well, I guess I do, disagree that is, to a certain extent.

Time to let this thread die, IMHO.

sigh..here we go again..;) Well, to be honest, you think it's hard finding free clothes for Vickie..try finding them for Mike!..;) I have to hand it to Sixus1 site, because they'll at least offer something to clad your downloads right away..;)

Incarnadine, don't take things so literally. Just because you know what the Holy Grail of art isn't doesn't mean the Holy Grail even exists. I know a car isn't a time machine but that doesn't mean a time machine exists. Those big time movies are just a few very prominent examples of what kind of 3D art is selling. Other similar but smaller-scale art of the same type is selling very well, too. No one wants a plain square building, so there is plenty of room for art there, too. Nudity does not necesarily equal porn. Sexuality CAN be a means to art but it SHOULD NOT be the ONLY one. To me, art is good when I can look at something other than the subject and still be intrigued. Sure, a vicky might be in some neat revealing clothing and lit by some advanced lighting but the chains and everything else haven't been paid that same amount of attention. I think that might be the point of this whole discussion.

Some of the most highly-charged sexual images I've seen over the years have featured characters that are fully clothed.

@suicidenation- thank you for not taking offense. Looking back I believe the issue I had was more with the degree than the sentiment of what you said! "...the time and attention to detail in general that goes into a scene. Goes back to the word artwork : if there's no work involved, it's not artwork! And in many cases, what we're seeing is a stock, nude woman character because that's how they come. It takes no "talent" or real "work" to dial some sliders around, but it takes both to do so and produce something fantastic, imaginitive, or magical..." - an excellent summation IMO. Also my personal opinion in general but sometimes wonderful accidents happen without any work and the image just is. "...but the chains and everything else haven't been paid that same amount of attention." - that bugs the hell out of me too, all aspects of an image should be the best that you can do. Good enough, isn't! In a new artist the level of craftsmanship behind the artistic vision can be excused but should evolve over time to compliment the vision in my opinion. Yes, I make erotic art as well as my more traditional works, but I always try to engage the viewer in a story or to make them think about a story. It's not enough to just have a point in time image, you must engage the viewers mind to be truly erotic. This also holds true for any work. @bryster - I know what you mean. It is not about what is seen butr about what is implied, again engaging the viewers brain (grin).

"But alas, mourn lordstormdragon not. He was an asshole, anyway, as far as I can tell!" - sneaky dude too! (grin - mumbles something about never trusting people with more letters in a nick than mine and multiple capitals to boot)