I have an unopened, original copy of Carrara 4 Standard. It's still in the box and isn't pirated or anything.

Does anyone know where and how I can go about selling it?

Thanks!

P.S. Also, what price do you think I can get for it?

Message edited on: 07/14/2005 23:02

Attached Link: http://www.s1.hashmirror.com/ftp/VM/GregDemo/demo.html

Did you get a side deal with Hash if you convert a predetermined number of Carrara users to AM you get a free upgrade? Just kidding. It just that the last three posts that I have read from you, you seem to be pushing AM.
I personally was impressed by there user gallery. I like to get a demo at some point.

Buggy program though. I've been a hash user since it first became animation master. Great community, but the bugs can be nasty. Most have "work-arounds" but they are so often that it slows workflow to a point that I rarely use it and have now uninstalled. Now to actually answer ju8nkm9l's question. I'd try http://ebay.com

Attached Link: http://www.s1.hashmirror.com/ftp/pub/movies/RandyHair.mov

ju8nkm9l, Why did you decide to sell your copy? Just asking out of curiousity. I guess you could try Ebay if all else fails. People selling software on ebay all the time. A lot of it is already opened or pre used. But I guess it still sells.

Like Carrara 1 and I believe 2, A:M had a couple of versions that were buggy. I believe that the last buggy version was 3 editions ago. It has been very stable and I have had the last two version without experiencing any problems. Never had a crash.

I own the latest version. Many of the same issues exist.

So your saying that Blender is more stable that Animation Master...yeah. I seem to be reading about alot of stability issues with Carrara and Transposer as of late. Hummmm....

My copy of Carrara 4 has been pretty stable when I import my poser figures. Occassionally it will seem to hang if I import a big .pz3 (say something with 3 or 4 unimesh figures) but after a little bit progress bar appears, followed shortly afterwards by the scene itself. Using C4 and Poser 6 for the record.

GabrielK wrote: "Using C4 and Poser 6 for the record." There is a whole thread devoted to that not working. 3rdimension wrote: "It is really frustrating when transposer won't recognize or work well with poser 6." Nicholas86 wrote: "...on getting Poser 6 figures into Carrara via Transposer. Well as of now there is no support. And Eovia's statement is that as soon as they have access to the Poser 6 SDK they will update Transposer to support Poser 6." But, that's a different thread...

Yeah but AM is still buggy, especially on the Mac. I personally have had no issues with Carrara 3, and if there was ever a glitch it was fixed pretty quickly. But man the Hash crew couldn't even get through there Macworld demos without crashing the app at least once... I have a friend that has stayed current with AM and he is constantly cursing it. Of course YMMV, but I would take Carrara over the constant and well publicized bugs of AM any day. Regards, Paul

I had no end of trouble with C3 and C4pro in Windows98. Too many "Error is line 44" messages. I installed WindowsXP Home and C3 and C4pro worked perfectly. Same system. I un-installed Poser 5 since I had Poser 6 installed also. Now I can't import Poser 5 or 6 into Carrara anymore. I'm patiently waiting for TransPoser 2.5 if one is made.

Info man, you aren't making any sense. But anyway. Like I said AM is a good ap but very buggy. I will say I've never come across any bugs as serious as the ones AM has in Carrara. Shonner- Thats really odd. Did you uninstall transposer and reinstall. Make sure to reset transposer to find poser 5.

Well I have Carrara 3. I am speculating and trying to gather the funds to jump to 4 Pro. I had very little issues with Carrara since EOVIA took over the project and came out with the patch for the broken Metacreations version. I don't do this for a living so Carrara fits pretty good as a hobbyist tool. I also hear that AM dose not play good with other applications so if you use it you are stuck with it all through out a project so it's not like you can combine both Carrara's strengths and AM to complete a project. Carrara at lest seems a bit more flexible from what I understand. I am also on a Mac and I make my living as a graphic designer, I do use PC's to but avoid them as much as possible du too security and instability problems. I have had my share of Widows XP problems with malware and having to reinstall stuff, so I just stick with OS X 10.4.2.

Message edited on: 07/16/2005 10:11

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PAGZone wrote: "I personally have had no issues with Carrara 3, and if there was ever a glitch it was fixed pretty quickly." Very interesting. So Hash buts out "buggy" software and Eovia puts out bascally "bug free" software. But in previous posts you said... PAGZone wrote: How's the stability? I won't use Amapi on Mac because it is so unstable. PAGZone wrote: Vue is a bit quirky under Mac, I am glad I am not the only one to think so. It only took me about 3 minutes playing with a Procedural Terrain to crash the app... PAGZone wrote: You mentioned Amapi 7 being "fixed" is it still buggy and unstable? It was when I last used it on the Mac. I had to give it up because of constant crashes. It's a shame really because it really has a ton of modeling options and I would love to learn it. PAGZone wrote: Eovia, if you are reading, it is really annoying to have to fill out a form and enter your serial number just to get a patch. I mean is this really necessary? No other software package I own makes you do this, well except Roxio, and most people hate that too... Just thought I would rant and see what other people think of this... PAGZone wrote: Well I ran the update and it states that it updates either 3.0 or 3.01 and the new version is 3.02.64 PAGZone wrote: I am reall being bothered by the Unexpected Quits in C under OS X. When I first got C2 I thought the stability rocked. Al the quits under OS 9 were gone. Now a slew of new "Unexpected quits" are showing their ugly face. The spline modeller quits constantly, the vertex modeller quits alot. I am starting to get inundated with crashes! What the heck is going on with this? Ok I want to document all errors here to pass on to eovia and hopefully check off which ones they are aware of. You see when the program crashes, your work is lost, no warning no nothing. Seems that there is not a lot of error trapping code. OS X users, let's start posting are crashes and try to reproduce each others bugs. And there you have it, another "Carrara enthusiast" testifying to the rock solidness of Eovia products.

I can always count on you Info for some humor:)

The closet door slowly creaks open out of the dark, this forums well know "Carrara enthusiast" and sometimes radical Nicholas86 steps up and endorses: I own the latest version (Animation Master), Nicholas86 wrote. And thats the truth

Please continue Info...you make me laugh:) say more!! PLEASE!!

Nicholas86 wrote, "Make sure to reset transposer to find poser 5." Like I said. I un-installed Poser 5. So there's nothing for Transposer to find. I'm using Vue 5 Infinite now to render imported Poser 6 models. So I can wait for Eovia to release a patch (if one is coming).

Is it just me or has anyone else took notice of the this threads authors name? It almost looks like those personalized license plates. To me, reading it like a license plate it says "junk mail" with a number placed between each word. Humm...(ju-8-nk...m-9-l).

InfoCentral: Amapi although bundled with Carrara 4 is really a totally separate package that is completely developed independently from Carrara. It even has it's own professional version not bundled with anything else. So siting PAGZone criticism of it's stability and trying to link it to Carrara is not objective since one package is independent to the other. It's like criticizing Illustrators bugs and liking them to Photoshop. You are right however that no software is totally perfect, but we will not argue that some bugs are worse then others. What good is software that will crash and corrupt a file that renders hours of work worthless? There is software that is so bad that it's unusable. Amapi 5 for the Mac is such an example. Apple has such a small market share that efforts to fix bugs on dual platform packages, specially from small developers become almost an after thought. It is aggravating because OS X rocks in stability, performance and security. The funny part about this is that your bigger developer packages often run a lot smoother and better on the Mac then on there PC equivalents. I can site QuarkXpress, Adobe CS1 and 2, including all packages on the suite. We run all these pakedges at work, PC and Mac side by side so I do have a day to day experience that hands down favors the Mac.

Message edited on: 07/16/2005 15:17

re: Poser 6 and C4/Transposer, I hadn't realized there was a thread about this issue. I kind of stumbled onto a workaround. I tried importing my Poser 6 scene and it wouldn't work at first. So I tried pointing it into the Poser 4 directory. After that my Poser 6 scene loaded without any errors. I guess I'd gotten used to doing that so it hadn't occurred to me that Poser 6 wasn't "officially" supported just yet.

Infocentral, why do you even hang out here in the Carrara forums it is obious to everyone here that you just don't like anything that Eovia does or sells. What exactly do you use and if you like it so much. Just go hang out over there and enjoy it. Move on man. Ringo

Well, well, well, if it isnt the ever arrogant Ringo coming down into this forum to tell someone off again. You know the problem in this forum isnt with people like me, its with people like you. We all basically get along here. We have different views on issues but we have respect for one another. We usually engage in a fair amount of discussion and people share their knowledge and experiences in the discussions. In the end we usually have a good laugh and we all part company on friendly terms. For the most part, by the end of the thread, I feel that all parties are happy that they participated. That is until people like you extremists show up and the first post in the thread is tell another member to take a hike. There are a few extremists here who would like nothing more then to direct the course of conversation on this forum. Then are the "say nothing bad about Eovia or their products" or we will attack you. They are to ones who say, "go away" when the truth is told. They are also the ones who are in constant contact with Eovia. We all know who you are. "Oh, don't say anything bad about Eovia or their products on the forum. Contact them secretly by e-mail so no one will hear about what is going on." Give me a break! The fact is that I am a Carrara user and I have dealt with Eovia. I will discuss with users here about issues that develop whenever I wish and I will not be shutdown by those who agenda it is to promote Eovia at all costs. I believe there are a lot more of us moderate Carrara users here who won't be molded or told what to say or not to say or how to say or where to say or who to say it too. You want to debate with me. I'm here. You want to attack me personally. Read the TOS! You few outspoken company frontmen don't run this forum or this website but you have forced the moderater to lock a few threads due to your postings and misbehavior. So dont tell me where to go because I certainly have never told you where to go.

Pinklet wrote: The funny part about this is that your bigger developer packages often run a lot smoother and better on the Mac then on there PC equivalents. I can site QuarkXpress, Adobe CS1 and 2, including all packages on the suite. We run all these packages at work, PC and Mac side by side so I do have a day to day experience that hands down favors the Mac. You know I have been a devote PC user since giving up my Atari ST for the Radio Shack Tandy 1000; my first PC with a 10 mb hard drive. The Atari didnt have a hard drive so you had to use floppies. I soon found out that having a superior GUI didnt matter if the software base wasnt there. I learned DOS and started using the PC. Now I have read that Apple is going to start using the Intel processor. When they do that and if they can increase their software base I am definitely looking at adding a Mac to my tool chest. I think that Final Cut Pro would probably be my first purchase.

No wonder InfoCentral hangs over here. The AM forum is dead. Like five post if that only. I know that this has nothing to do with the quality of the package I also use Corel Painter which I have in hi-regard, and it's forums are always dead too. But it sure make it boring to post if no one answers, and nothing to read or learn.

No one uses Renderosity for A:M; they all use the Hash forums. In A:M the forums are actually build into the software. Load the software and you can go directly to the forums. There pretty active there. I believe the A:M forum is dead here because of this reason and because Renderosity started out as a Poser website. A:M doesn't play with Poser. There are similarities though. Such as the libraries, premade poses, and pose sliders as opposed to pose dials. There have been some that said it could be a Poser replacement except that Poser has conforming clothing that sets it apart from everyone. This is the big difference; the ability to change clothes.

Apple has more then just a fancy GUI, it is also rock solid in stability and there is no trojan horses, or viruses, or spyware plaguing it like Windows. If you like command line it also has Terminal that arguably is much more robust then DOS ever was. You are correct that Apple dose not have as many developers as Windows, but we have all the major players like Maya, Adobe, Microsoft etc. Believe me it dose have an advantage on Windows as it is the only computer manufacture for desk top computers that develops it's own OS and Hardware under the same roof. This insures two things not found on Windows, true plug and play compatibility and rock solid stability. I have some very bad experiences with Windows, at one time we got infected by some nasty malware that not even a HP server hardware engineer was able to clear up. I had to reformat the HD and re install and restore all my Apps and data. I will not say the OS X is perfect, but compared to Widows it sure seems that way. I don't even have antivirus software running on any of my Macs at this point. I will not go as far as to state that it will stay that way, but at least Apple is extremely proactive on keeping OS X as safe as possible.

Well, don't hold back Pinklet. Tell us how you feel about your Mac.

How many Windows users do you know that actually state that they love Windows. On the other side, almost every Mac user will state they love OS X. Although on second thought you may not like it, since apparantly your favorite App A.M. seems to be pretty buggy on it.

Interesting...what's this? I think I hear the men in white coming...

Windows users tolerate WindowsXP and don't know much about the Mac. Mac users hate Bill Gates more than they like OSX. One group makes choices based on hate.

I've heard negative and positive about both platforms. I'll remain a PC user for price alone. You can purchase a PC system that is equivalent to a MAC system in performance for half the price. I have used both MAC and PC. And I will say that I've abused them both. And rarely did things crash or freeze, etc. The only things I experienced on MACs were out of memory errors. On PCs occasionally a program would freeze and have to be restarted.

"The fact is that I am a Carrara user and I have dealt with Eovia. I will discuss with users here about issues that develop whenever I wish and I will not be shutdown by those who agenda it is to promote Eovia at all costs." Glad someone is "dealing" with Eovia. I promote Eovia at all costs! In fact I went up hill both ways in the snow to deliver a boxed version of Carrara to someone. In fact I even installed it and forced them to use the software. And Info as to the TOS. You should read up on them. This comment you made to me the other day I took as offensive: Boileau: "A fool always finds a greater fool to admire him." Plus you made this comment about the person trying to find outinformation: Disraeli: "It is much easier to be critical than to be correct." Now I realize you may think you are being smart, and just had a "lets quote" day. But if you look objectively at your posts and what other people say. Most of the time you seem to come off as being rude and impolite. For instance its inappropriate to go into a Software specific forum and promote other software constantly. I understand if people ask for compatible tools, etc. But often you go out of your way to push other software on people. I frequent the AM forums at hash.com and I would never push Carrara on people simply because I think its inappropriate. And please if you have the time do us a favor and share some of the talent you possess from being such a skilled and knowledgeable AM/Carrara/Poser/Shade/etc user. I've asked you this before but you sidestepped it and completely ignored it. We would all respect you more if you demonstrated some of your technical skills. Because as of right now you just seem to show up to make inappropriate comments and rarely contribute any advice to the user besides try "this" software instead.

Yeah, right! Just to skim the top you forgot Lightwave, Cinema 4D, Motionbuilder, and Modo. Then there are the specialized programs that you probably never even heard of since your not in the studio business. You make the wrong assumption that I use A:M all the time. I play around with it from time to time. I am very impressed with its features and price. I have a friend over there that works for Rock Star Games who uses it on a regular basis. It just doesnt fit in the production pipeline. Even after all this discussion you can't seem to get the TOS. It is a simple concept. It really is. You discuss the topic not the person. You extremists have a very hard time with it. Why? Because in any high school or college debate when you stop discussing the topic and the object of the discussion becomes the person debating. You loose. You have forfeited because you can no longer debate the issue logically and lowered youself to simple name-calling. This is called logic and they have college courses you can take to learn about them. This is also why the moderator had to lock a couple of past threads. You guys are like Mike Tyson biting the opponents ear because he feels he is loosing the fight. Right away you quite discussing the issue and bite at the person. Childrenlets play fair and lets play by the TOS or this thread will probably be the next thread locked. "Stupidity would be very charming if it only had better manners." -- Unknown

Nice how you sidestepped showing us your work yet again and started pointing fingers again. Thanks for proving my point. "Why? Because in any high school or college debate when you stop discussing the topic and the object of the discussion becomes the person debating. You loose." Its spelled lose. Not loose. And you should follow your own advice. This threads main question: Does anyone know where and how I can go about selling it? Your answer: doubt if you would be able to get half of what you paid for it. Contact Hash and tell them you would gladly trade your copy of Carrara for a copy of Animation Master. Interesting that you failed to answer even that simple question. Just as interesting as how you have nothing to prove yourself besides words. I have never directly called you anything, but merely stated the general feeling about how you act. So please don't accuse me of name calling. Oh and who is the "friend" at Rock Star Games, I know someone from there myself perhaps they know each other.

Shonner: I don't hate Bill Gates, I just think that his company puts out extremely mediocre tools and utilizes it's monopolistic position to illegally crush competition. D.O.J. case and what is going on with the EU should be enough proof of my statement. Being a monopoly is not illegal, but using that unique position to force deals is.

Nicolas86: This is one of the myths surrounding the Mac OS platform, configure a PC box from Dell to comparably challenge a top of the G5 today, and you end spending more money at times. We custom built a PC for our office, this thing has all the bells and whistles that you could get at that time, it was extremely close to the price of a G5 so this price thing no longer holds true, unless you go with the very bottom of the barrel configurations, PC and Mac are very competitive on price now and days. Yes the PC platform dose warrant you the flexibility of building your own box, but considering that Apple uses top quality components, to be totally fair you would have to configure the PC in the same fashion, this would render you PC very close to the price of a comparable Mac. In the end it's just a tool, but half the fun is how you get there. Now for professional 3D work the Widows platform dose hold the edge, you guys have more advanced 3D specific cards, no argument there. Also, I will never claim that a PC can not produce good quality work, the work is not done by the computer, but by the user and I have seen your Gallery and I think you are pretty talented.

InfoCentral: You can call me crazy, but at least I am not the one hanging out on the Carrara/RayDram forum pushing other software titles only to get the reaction of it's users. There is a word to describe you, a yea, Troll. You also think this is some kind of competition since you talk about loosing, who is to decide who wins an argument or who loses. As far as I understand it this is only a platform to exchange ideas and help each other out, not a debate competition. You seem to get offended by others calling you names then you use offensive language that is simply uncalled for. Ringo dose have a point, what are you doing here? Just look at your first post on this thread, "I doubt if you would be able to get half of what you paid for it. Contact Hash and tell them you would gladly trade your copy of Carrara for a copy of Animation Master." Don't you think a simple e-bay would have sufficed. The guy is simply asking about what we think he could sell his copy of Carrara and where he could sell it. He never mention getting advice about other software titles. Besides if you know all these software titles like you claim, shouldn't you be busy animating the next Pixar film instead of monitoring (Trolling), the Rederosity Carrara forum. If you think Carrara is such a mediocre crummy tool then don't use it, but please stop antagonizing its users with your worthless posts. I had been polite until you insinuated that I am crazy, and you know what I probably am, but at least I recognize it, what your excuse.

Yeesh - this thread has really derailed into something else. I just wanted to know where I could sell my Carrara 4 Standard! Thanks for the helpful responses to my question, GabrielK, Nicholas86 et al: I guess I'll try Ebay. As to why I'm selling it? Well, not to contribute to a flame war, but I already have Poser 6 and would have liked to integrate the two. However, I didn't know I'd have to purchase TransPoser (2?) to properly integrate them, and I don't want to incur any additional expenses. InfoCentral: Yes, my username is derived from the word "junkmail": it's the first thing that came to my mind when renderosity.com asked me for my email address in order to register. I am loathe to provde such information to websites as it seems to be interpreted as a signal to bombard the address provider with random junkmail. Thankfully, Renderosity seems to have been an exception to that rule. Unfortunately, I'm not interested at all in AnimationMaster. Thank you.

Unfortunately, both Carrara and Animation Master have the same thing in common - they can't integrate with Poser 6. If you want a rock solid program that integrates well with Poser 6, you can make props, clothes, etc, comes with a superior rendering engine, and you can animate you Poser scene within it, try - SHADE. Its cheep, integrates well with Poser 6, has its own forum here on renderosity, and they currently holding group training/challenges so learning is easy.

Hummmm....sounds like the natives are getting restless...

And info still avoids any of my questions and comments:) ju8nkm9l- you might also want to think about joining the yahoo Carrara list and post up there that you are selling. sorry carrara doesn't fit your needs.

FYI it is possible to get your Poser characters imported into Carrara without Transposer. It takes more time and effort to do it that way but it can be done. I had to do it "by hand" back before I upgraded to C4 Pro (which came with Transposer). Basically it involves exporting as OBJ and importing into Carrara and manually assigning your textures.

Yep.

Not that I want to step into where the sharks were so recently feeding (I can still see chunks of chum floating on the water), but if you make sure to keep the .mtl file Poser exports along with the .obj, Carrara will pick up the majority of the textures and set them up correctly. The main place it falls down is on the transparencies; you have to set those up by hand.

My only thinking nomuse is that he likely wants to bring in animated models.

Nomuse, you're right. I had forgotten about the .mtl files. It does indeed export the textures. It's been so long since I've had to do it manually. Now I remember what it was that I disliked; those darn transparencies. They did get tedious after awhile. Saving the materials/shaders settings did help somewhat. And after awhile, you did get used to just doing it. Just the same, I'm happy that Transposer came with C4Pro. :)

Attached Link: http://www.datamike.com/susu.htm

Many people have forgotten about Bryce as well. Its rendering was fine in the 90's.

InfoCentral: Why do you bother on this forum? Anytime there is a message by you it is full of negativity. And then you do stuff like this and dig up old messages from people and take them out of context. As to my replies you have quoted, you make absolutely no good point other then to show your true ignorance and immaturity. To all the posts of mine that you brought out of context simply to slam me: Get a Life! Did I say Carrara was bug free? NO! Did I say there were issues: YES! But I have none serious now as they have fixed the most annoying ones that I came across. Can you say the same for AM? Seems that it is still ridden with bugs. You mention previous posts of mine about Vue and Amapi. Well guess what Vue for Mac was buggy, but is now quite stable as the developers at e-on have fixed most of the annoying crashing bugs. Vue has NOTHING to do with Carrara and is not even a relevant comparison. Same with Amapi, although now under the same company as Carrara, Amapi is not related in any other way and was buggy long before they merged with Eovia. Again not a relevant comparison. You come on to the Carrara forum and if anyone makes note of any problems with C you immediately jump on the bandwagon to push TrueSpace, Hash or other software. Yeah that's real helpful. To Quote you: "We have different views on issues but we have respect for one another." Yeah, you really showed a lot of respect to me didn't you? I made one comment about my experiences with AM and that of a few friends. Wow, why don't you dig through your own archives and see the amount of respect you haven't shown to people on this forum in the past... I have no problems with people discussing problems with Eovia products, I am not quiet when I have had problems. But I do take offense at your attack on me personally: To quote you again: "You want to attack me personally. Read the TOS!" Perhaps you should read the TOS and spend the next few years apologizing to all the Renderosity members you have offended and been rude to in the past. Peace Out. Paul