I have an hitch to buy something from rendero these days , but nothing is pushing me enought to do it!, can someone point me to an exiting product. Thanks Blackdowg.

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Apollo Maximus: Quality, value and innovation. Wardrobe Wizard: I can't imagine ever using Poser without it ever again. I use it every single time I open up Poser. If it ever ceases to be supported and eventually stops working or something...I'll be giving up Poser. Before WW came along, I was so frustrated with getting clothing to fit that I quit using poser and uninstalled it more times than I can remember. Since WW, I actually find Poser fun and a whole lot less frustrating ... and far more versatile. Those are my 2 picks for this year. As for RO items? Look in KymJ's store. Gorgeous natural/real looking characters. Neomea has some gorgeous characters too. I think I own most of them.

Wardobe Wizard ..hands Down!!! withot it many would not have gotten Apollo

If you have Poser 6, I would consider the P6 Realism Kit.

Poser 6, ApolloMax, and then PhilC's Wardrobe Wizard. and I got them in that order, wardrobe wizard wasn't available when I got Apollomax. as for here at Renderosity? Wouldn't know, haven't bought in ages from this store.

Has to be wardrobe wizard. Irina for SP3 and the girl next store 2 for V3. Apollomax is pretty amazing as well. There are so many talented folks here at Daz and RDNA it's hard to choose. Marque

Still three months to go...who knows what the future brings? We don't have Apollo (yet) and still use P5, so, at the moment, for me, Wardrobe Wizard is the winner. But close behind him, there's a whole bunch of naked Vicky's, new temples and a lot of new swords... Tradition merits our respect.

Quote - "We don't have Apollo (yet)" Apollo has been out for a while now :)

Major Cache at DAZ... period... :)

the DAZ morphing cube was pretty good

Renda!!!!.............LOL!!!

IMHO Best/Most Important releases so far in 2005

Apollo Maximus by Anton Kisiel
Occlusion Master by face_off
HyperReal for M3/V3 by face_off and morris
Wardrobe Wizard by PhilC and Kamlinche

I have lots of other personal favorites but these four have reinvigorated my love of Posercraft. Furthermore, all four are innovative and set new standards. I also think highly of Syyd Raven's "Maquah" texture for A-Max because not only is it up to Syyd's usual high quality as a texture map, but it and its expansion pack come with lots of MAT files that make use of Poser 5/6's shader nodes for various effects. You don't see a lot of that yet.

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I have to say that for me the best poser purchase I made this year was the Wardrobe Wizard.

Particles 2.3 by Poseworks You really got to get this if you have P5 or P6. The only negative is PC Only, but there is word that a MAC Version is in the works for next year and Version 3. Wardrobe Wizard This is the product that allowed me to start using Apollo Max. Until then he was an oddity in my Runtime. Negatives are few on this program, except for the fact it takes you away from Rendering! Puppet Master The first version is good, but I am talking about the next version that has yet to be released. (Quadrapeds) Bipeds is great, but often other poses worked with other figures. This makes them work as good as the original did with the original figure, so there is a possible drawback! Quadrapeds is for all those animals... Pigs can and do Gallop! I can't wait for this one. Poser 6 This does not make the top three, but it does make the top 5 with IBL and Point Lights! P6 also announced that Poser was not dead. That alone should make it number 1, but I have come to believe that the Poser Community is full of diehards and we would still be arguing about the best and worse using P5, PP, or even P4 without the release of P6. I say this next one in all honesty. DAZ Studio. Why does D|S deserve mention? It will allow more users to start buying more products. I am really curious as to how many of the past Best Products see a resurgance in sales in the next few months. I know some will not benefit, but figures, props, etc... can and I believe will. Anything the increases the customer base for Poser Products is good for Poser. (I have a friend who got D|S recently and she is seriously considering getting P6.) Apollo Max? Well, I guess it deserves mention. It is a different figure, but a pricey support (clothes, textures, etc..) and pricey out of the box. If this one is the best, then Poser's Best has gotten too expensive. $50 was good for this figure, but even with all that is included, $100 is too high. I wonder how much cheaper it would have sold, if not sold through RDNA?

Wardrobe Wizard by PhilC and Kamilche
Puppet Master by Kamilche at PhilC

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Where is Wardrobe Wizard by PhilC and Kamilche sold at?? Did a search here and couldn't find it.

Both can be found at PhilC's store

$50 was good for [Apollo Maximus], but even with all that is included, $100 is too high.

Putting together an equivalent package for M3 -- base figure, head morphs, body morphs, bodysuit, hi-rez textures -- you'd be looking at about $85 and that's even factoring in that the M3 base is free. For a David package of similar content, you're looking at $115. All things considered, Apollo is actually priced close to the same as other male figures, the main difference being you spend the $$ in one shot rather than in bits and pieces like the unimesh figures.

Syyd's M3 textures are the same price as ApolloMax textures, no price difference. Anton's ApolloMax clothing includes ALL morphs and scaling for ApolloMax. Plus each clothing pack works with the other clothing packages. so you can mix and match WITH morphs. Try and find THAT in other clothing items, it's a very very rare thing. Worth every penny. Funny, the original question blackdow asked was point out a product at Renderosity for purchase. So far there have been few posting things here in the store to buy. Face-Off's produts are great though and sold here. ratscloset $100 is too high?? Why? CP sells figures now, few morphs and you have to buy addon morph packages. If you want Jessi you have to buy Poser 6 ($99), and then addon body and face morph packages for $19 each package, so to get Jessi is $137. Daz as Orca stated would be comparable for features and included products.

And of course you only need THREE files to get a fully functional Apollo,M2 ,V2 { CR2 -.OBJ -PNG) THE "UNIMESS" clones require 800 support files in place to operate their tedious INJ/REM/CHAN/VIS/DELTAS for the BODY not even counting the face packs :-/ but i still consider Wardrobe wizard the must have poser product of 2005 followed closely by Puppetmaster for us animators.

For the record ( for those that want to know, For the record comes out "Fir tge recird" if your right hand is not in the correct position when you start typing! lol )

For the record, I do not have David, Girl, SP3, S, etc.... With that said, the DAZ figures are available much cheaper with some planning and patience than the quoted prices. (For total out of pocket expense, you can get David, M3, V3 all complete with Hi Res Textures for between $128 TO $135 and that includes a Clothing Pack for David. New Members at DAZ can save even more!)

I do not know many people that buy DAZ figures at regular price. I never have bought one figure at regular price there. I also will not buy the Morph Packs for Jessie or James. They might be great figures, but I personally was disappointed that those types of Morphs were not included to even a limited extent in the Poser Content. Even Judy and Don had more Morphs.

My comments were not at the quality or the value of the figure itself, as much as it was the marketing of the figure through RDNA. I think it could be sold for less if it was not sold at RDNA. I have a lot of things that I would like to get from RDNA, but so far none of them have ever come on sale (Mostly older items). So, if you do not get it when it is initially offered, you do not seem to get any opportunity for a Sale Price. I will say with the revamp of the site, maybe some other things will change at RDNA. DAZ often offers items cheaper than the original Sale. At $50 Max was a great value, but I do not feel it is such a value at $100 that I could recommend the figure, especially considering you still need to clothe him! I can recommend V3 and M3, because there is so much affordable content out there available for the figures. Apollo seems to not have that support expect in the higher priced products.

I know Anton's and others position on DAZ Marketing and low/cut rate pricing policy at times, but I also have seen many of these same people make fun of Turbosquid and Zygote for some of there prices. Some people have put Apollo on a pedastal and as it stands right now he seems to have troubles living up to the expectations. I will support the next figure and with the introduction of Wardrobe Wizard, Apollo is coming out of my Runtime more!

Hi ratscloset! Dna puts everything on sale, for an introductory period, at very competitive if not LOW prices. I dont know where you got your marketing info from. Then we have real deals, quite a deal at that price. AND, to boot, we have a 50% storewide sale every year, in fact its coming up November 1st. We also have one of the most extensive "free" Poser sections you'll ever find, stocked frmo P4 to P6 with incredible goodies. As far as AM2005 is concerned, he enjoys fantastic sales, and incredible support by both his creator and DNA. Bah humbug, ya just can't please everybody LOL.

So because you buy things at Daz you feel everything should be at the Daz prices and that Daz sets the bar for pricing. IC. shakes head and wanders off

"I think it could be sold for less if it was not sold at RDNA" ????? Huh? Just wondering how you figure that when everyone at RDNA sets their own prices and our brokers earn more then most other poser content houses percentage wise..... "I have a lot of things that I would like to get from RDNA, but so far none of them have ever come on sale (Mostly older items)." Like Syyd said, Come Nov 1st we run a massive 50% off sale. We have done it every year we have been open. :) -Trav

I agree that DNA has excellent intro sales and exceptional products. I did not discover RDNA until a little over a year ago and have desired several releases, and many of the older products. The problem I saw was for someone coming late to the game (after the intro sale for a particular item).

Now with what has been stated here it seems I had an error last fall that did not get resolved. If it is suppose to be a storewide sale then there was a problem, last year during the sale, of the four things I had in my Cart, none were showing on sale. When I asked about it, I never did get a response. (I E-Mailed Traveller twice, then the sale was over so I gave up.) I still have one or two of the items in my Cart and since you assure me everything is suppose to be on sale I will push for a response this year if they are not (and I have any funds). I will be honest, I assumed because it was an older item that it was not on sale. RDNA and staff are normally very helpful and very fair so I took the non response as the answer, which does not really bother me since they were items I wanted, but did not need. The comment about could have been sold for less if not at RDNA has nothing to do with RDNA. My opinion would have been the same if sold RDNA, DAZ, PoserPros, or here.

As far as DAZ Pricing goes, I do not think everything should be DAZ Pricing. Someone pointed out the Apollo was no more expensive than a DAZ figure. I was pointing out that comparing Apollo to a DAZ figure when it came to pricing was not that good of a comparison, since today a new member at DAZ could get V3, M3, and D3 for $135 out of pocket. That is with no Sale Price on any of the figures, morphs, or textures!

Well I am sorry you didn't get a responce at that time. Not sure what happened, but I can give you an answer now. In our old store software if an item was in your cart before the sale started, it stayed at the price it was at when you put it in the cart. So to get the sale price you would need to delete them from your cart and re-add them. Currently the new store software will require this as well until we get that updated.

Well, that was the problem. :? Seriously, as I typed the other post, I wondered if it was the issue... Damn you Traveller.... Now I am off to fill my Cart (just to keep track of everything, now that I understand the workings!) The sale is close enough to the holidays, maybe I can talk my better half into an early present!

No problem :) Try our new wishlist feature. You can use that to store what you want until the sale. :) -Trav

"I was pointing out that comparing Apollo to a DAZ figure when it came to pricing was not that good of a comparison, since today a new member at DAZ could get V3, M3, and D3 for $135 out of pocket. That is with no Sale Price on any of the figures, morphs, or textures!" See I do not under stand your math at all. This is what I see, you tell me where you get your $$. V3 base free, M3 base is free, but David even the bundle is $99.99 with no discounts. If you add in the V3 and M3 morphs and textures it goes way up. $29.95 for M3 body and head morphs and $39.95 if you get the v3/M3 head/body bundle. but no textures, no body suits etc. any way I add it up ApolloMax pricing at full price is comparable to other figures on the market. no marketing game, straight non sale prices it's a competatively priced figure. The misconception that something is too high priced gets spread in the community and the truth stands in the $$ once added up.

Yes I discovered that the first day. I use to use my Cart for a Wishlist.

I will preempt this with saying one thing... If you are buying at least $100 of DAZ Originals, buy a Monthly PC Membership.

New Member 30% Discount on one Cart Load
Join PC Cost $29.95

So far $29.95 spent.

Get $5 Voucher and 30% Off DAZ Originals

Now go shopping

David Bundle $99.95
M3 and V3 Free
M3/V3 Morph Pack $49.95
Hi Res Textures for V3/M3/D3 $24.95 each ($74.85)

Total of Cartload $224.75
30% PC Discount <67.43>

Sub Total $157.32

30% New Member Coupon Off the Sub Total <$47.19>

Total $110.13

Less $5 PC Voucher

Cash out $105.13

Add Original PC Membership Purchase $135.08

Note: If you wait for the Semi Annual DAZ Sale, you could save $30 to $40 depending on the Discount. If you do it when DAZ offers the PC membership to the public you might save more as well (Sometimes DAZ does not give the 30% Off Discount on these free Trials, but sometimes they also waive the $29.95, then the Annual Plan becomes a viable option!)

You could swap Bryce, Aiko Bundle, and some other options for David and get the same deal.

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I do not think this constitutes a Sale, but the 30% New Member Coupon is good for anyone that has not bought anything at DAZ. They will need to set up a new Account and make these or other purchases. All they have to do is just go to DAZ by Clicking Here.

The VALUE of a product is the price at full price that a broker or metchant chooses. What I've been saying, across the board is that price for price ApolloMax is competatively priced as other figures at NON sale prices. David bundle $99.95, ApolloMax at RuntimeDNA $99.95. price for price. ApolloMax scales to young adult, dwarf, or bounce out of the box and David doesn't. If you want a figure that has features that other figures don't price wise ApolloMax is cometativly priced and the full price of ApolloMax is well worth it. Why is it that nobody in any of the forums runs around and says that the David bundle isn't worth it, it's too pricey but it keeps coming up with ApolloMax? They are the same price.

Well, I think D3 is overpriced as well! That is why I do not have him. I had a choice and I got Apollo, but I also would not have called David a Poser Product of the year even if I did have him. The lack of Clothes in the Apollo Bundle was something of a disappointment. I got Aiko Bundle, but only when it was on sale and I had a big Voucher (I think she ended up costing me under $10 for the Pro Bundle.) I will grant you this, IF you do not have any figures, IF you are looking for a realistic Male, and IF you are not use to Posing traditional Poser Figures then Apollo could be the figure for you. I think once there is a Female version it will help Apollo achieve a better standing from my standpoint. Part of my lack of total embracement of Apollo is working with him is just different. For me, working with the Apollo figure is kind of like using my sons computer, he is lefthanded and uses Left Handed Buttons on his Trackball. I am always clicking the wrong one, and once I get use to it, I am done until the next time I need to sit at his Computer. With the addition of Wardrobe Wizard to my resources, I am using Apollo more so maybe I will be a true convert in time. I would like to get a believable female figure out of him, but he is just too much of a man. (The one thing I hate about all the Mil Figures, they look too much like the original, V3! It takes a lot of work and good textures to get them to not look like morphed Females! LOL!

You think D3 is overpriced. You don't like ApolloMax because you don't know how to use him because he's different. You only grab things on sale with vouchers and you only like mil figures when they are don't look like females but not the males. However you bought ApolloMax. WOW! Your a hard nut. hahaha my head is spinning, I'm going to go to bed and try and forget this thread....wow.

Yes I do think D3 is overpriced. (You still have to buy the Hi Res textures.) If he had the Hi Res Textures included in the bundle, even if he was $5 more, it would be a better priced package. I did not say I did not like Apollo, I said I do not think he is a top canidate for Product of the Year! He was in my top ten list, but I do not think he qualifies as number 1! I also said that I thought he could have been sold for less (thus increasing the market demand for additional products) if he was not sold through a Marketplace. With regards to the Mil Figures, it is easy to get a good unique female of most any type out of V3, between morphs, available textures, etc... doing the same with the male Mil figures is a quite a bit harder. Many seem to have that Backstreet Boys look! Apollo has a much better look out of the box, thus why I got him. (But being different, he is hard to get a good render in a different way than the Mil figures.) When there is a comprable Female Figure or if Apollo could be morphed into a good female, then I think my main issue with him would disappear since I would be using one design of a figure. Just because I do not like the pricing, does not mean I do not like the product and to be honest the only reason I could get Apollo at the time was a GC! Between Apollo and several items I had in my cart, I chose Apollo.

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-Apollo was $49.95 when he was released. -his quality exceeds other figures. -his clothing quality exceeds other figures. -his value exceeds other figures(thoug Daz changed some prices after his release) ratcloset wrote>>"Apollo Max? Well, I guess it deserves mention." I am always saddened when when people feel the need to make comments like that. Evven if a customer doesn't want to buy a fugre and support it financially, moral support would be nice. And not soft put downs.

I did not say that as a soft put down or otherwise. To deserve mention in a list of best products is not a put down. I did buy Apollo. I do like Apollo. I find it hard to make use of Apollo, because he is different and until WW clothing him was very costly for me.

When I read the first post of this thread, I wrote a mental list of top 5. Apollo was not there. After reading the other posts, I felt the figure should be in the list, thus deserve mention thus he was an afterthought for me mostly because I have not used him much. I notice others had similar comments in reference to clothing (If it were not for Wardrobe Wizard, I would not have gotten Apollo...) so, I am not alone in my opinion of his support.

As far as quality exceeding other figures, that may be true, but it does not mean it will succeed in the market. Many different industries have had a product that exceeded the quality of all its competition, but many of those products failed because they were not marketed in such a way that there was enough consumer support. BETA was better than VHS in quality and even won a law suit against JVC, but Sony loss the market by the time the case was over to VHS which had a hold on the market and JVC gladly paid the fine that Sony had asked in the original Lawsuit.

Oh, and speaking of Moral Support.... make sure that is not a "Do as I say, not as I Do" comment. You sometimes seem to have troubles giving moral support in certain quarters! (c; For what it is worth, I said I like Apollo, but with comments like yours, I wonder why would I want to support the creator of any such product. Obviously you are very touchy about anything but gushing praise for Apollo and I will take your comments with that understanding. |c:

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Ratcloset, You and I don't really know each other, so I will take your comment in stride. You are entitled to your opinion. As I am to mine. You bought something, you got something. My personality, or your perception of it, is irrelevant. I am saddened that like others before you, you feel the need to put down, make personal insults, and threats. My intent was not to offend you. It was to point out where you were mistaken and perhaps insensitive.

Thank you for showing me 'where I was mistaken.' LOL! Life can go on now! (c:

Perhaps it would be best to just ignore each other rather than to keep replying and get this thread locked?

No problem. With all the content and variations around, it is sometime hard to compare value. And because Apollo's base includes everything, it is a common mistake. Cheers and no hard feelings, Anton

Things are cool now. no biggie.

In the pricing comparison, I paid almost exactly for the David bundle (sale pricing) as AM was. (sale pricing). The difference was that the David price was because I was a Plat Club member. So actually it was more if you factor in the cost of the club. However, this thread isn't about pricing, it's about what people consider the best Poser product of 2005. My votes would be 1. P6 itself for combining the ease of PP with the power of P5. 2. ApolloMax for the best rigging and versatility I've seen in a figure without the extra file bloat. 3. Puppet Master

Seriously, no hard feelings were taken and hopefully none caused. As I said, I like Apollo and it did make my Top Ten List. Maybe I would have had it higher on my list if I could have made more use of him. With Wardrobe Wizard the figure is getting more use in my Runtime. I also am axiously awaiting the female counterpart.

I am saddened that like others before you, you feel the need to put down, make personal insults......<<" yeah, TERRIBLE AINT IT ?? I can only imagine how Dan Farr must feel to read the negative, speculative , borderline slanderous venom *some people have spewed, in this very Forum about His business practices ,and the alleged intentions of his Company ya I too miss the "good old day"s when everyone gave selfless Moral support to poser product creators :-)

Apollo Maximus - Anton Skin Shader - face_off Wardrobe Wizard - PhilC / Kamilche Daz Cyclorama - I think it came out last year but I use it all the time. Out of the many environments I've purchased that has become the most useful prop I own. a little late on this.... 8^)

Wolf, Your views on my experiences are well known. I know you think they are venomous, slanderous and petty. However, my experience was very real, and I don't appreciate it being judged and trivialized by someone who wasn't privy enough to make a fair assesment. Worry about Wolf and Wolf's business, and I will worry about Anton and Anton's business.

"I don't appreciate it being judged and trivialized by someone who wasn't privy enough to make a fair assesment."<< Ahh .....the difference here is that "wolfs business" Dirt &All, is never aired in a public forum where it can be subject to being"trivialized" by those who indeed are not privy to all the Facts. :-) Cheers