And where can i view mine?

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/members.ez?Who=morganza

a member's record holds pertinent information that only mods/coords/admin can see that can be helpful when dealing with a member

This sounds a bit draconian...

What could mods/coords/admin possibly need to know about a member in order to "deal" with them? What kind of information is "pertinent" and just exactly how "pertinent" is that information? And just exactly what do you mean by "deal" with a member? I doubt it refers to "dealing" as in a nice friendly game of "Go Fish".

Is it anything like Santa's "Naughty and Nice List"? Perhaps it's in the vein of the file the FBI has on "everyone".

I can see my medical records, I can get to see my credit report, I can review my employee file, how can I get to see my member record? Do I need to file a request under the Freedom of Information Act? >:-)

"What could mods/coords/admin possibly need to know about a member in order to "deal" with them?" How about... "Only speaks Spanish" "Written permission filed for rights to redistribute poserized version of Mr X's Tow-truck mesh" "Point-of-contact person for Content Paradise site" Not really very draconian :-) In addition, though, any image or message removals that staff have had to make are automatically recorded on the member record. This way we can be sure that members who have been banned - for example due to copyright violations, or persistently posting images against TOS - have been dealt with correctly. You may always email admin@renderosity.com if you feel a warning has been placed on your record unfairly. Karen Poser & Copyright Mod

I requested my account terminated a few days ago because of this, thats not the explination I got. I don't want to be part of a community that does this to it's members, i had a thread deleted cause i posted a freebie that was linked to an adult community, and was told this incident will go into my member record, like i'm some thug now. Now all I want is my membership terminated so I can move on.

Sorry to hear this morganza!

Sheesh! People make mistakes and this lack of tolerance is unreal, but soooo par for the course here, and that's what makes things like member records draconian.

This place used to be a community, now it's just a store that uses the forums to create "foot-traffic" to support the store.

Sometimes this place is so Jr. High School complete with "Eddie Haskell" hall monitors, it almost makes me wish Kammerer was running the place again...but only almost.

:-)

"What could mods/coords/admin possibly need to know about a member in order to "deal" with them?"

Your permanent member record (just like the one you had in school) also contains information about how you were being nice to the community by posting Star Wars items in the Free Stuff area, not knowing that Renderosity would one day clamp down on copyrighted items.
When Renderosity did clamp down, marks would put in your permanent member record for every item that you had in the Free Stuff section.
Other marks would also be added for the "Thunderbirds", "Doctor Who", "Battle of the Planets", and other items that you were nice enough to share with the community... and that you had been sharing for the previous 3 years before the copyright enforcement in the Free Stuff section.

I believe Helgard (numanoid) also got marks on his permanent member record for having "Aliens" items in the Free Stuff section. And check with TrekkieGrrl- she may have received a mark about her "Star Trek" stuff... that's right- on her permanent member record.

And I'm sure every time you argue with admin, that gets put in your... well, you know.

--John

Hi morganza, please contact admin@renderosity.com who will remove your account for you. John, as I have advised you many times before - if you feel a warning was given unfairly, you can always contact admin@renderosity.com to review it. Karen Poser Mod

How about... "Only speaks Spanish" "Written permission filed for rights to redistribute poserized version of Mr X's Tow-truck mesh" "Point-of-contact person for Content Paradise site" Hmmm.... "Sarcastic and sardonic, but sometimes has good ideas" "Can be helpful, but known to be bitchy at times, approach with caution and only when necessary" "Knows a lot about copyright laws but is not a laywer" "Makes totally inappropriate jokes in serious threads" "Butt looks big in those pants" I'm just imagining some of the stuff that might be in my file.... Hmmm..... bonni

"Butt looks big in those pants" No no Bonni, that's on MINE! LOL

This site is what the members make it, and if you treat them like idiots then they'll leave, there are hundreds of communities like this one, with the same store items and software, this sites survival depends on it's members. P.S. Your big butt is very funny.

I can only imagine what the mods have said about me after they've had to "deal" with me. I would say, but that would only get me in trouble....again.

"a member's record holds pertinent information that only mods/coords/admin can see that can be helpful when dealing with a member"

WOA hold on there ptb.

I have a problem with any old moderator or coorodinator that wants too, having access to such things as credit card numbers, and banking information, I have been a victim of id theft. and given the way id theft occurres everyday nowday's, I have to say that I would I take exception to renderosity even releasing members real names, to other members as well. Wich they do have if you ever buy anything from the store here and there is a permanent record of that purchase, that they can access.

Those folks are unpaid member volunteers, NOT renderosity employees. As such they should not have access to that kind of information about other members. NOTE the period.

In fact I can see no reason why they would need too.

"This site is what the members make it"

No its not, this site is what the owners/admins make it.

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ok.. obviously i could've chosen my words a little more carefully there are no CC numbers, banking info.. the only names there are what you signed up with that anyone can see.. people make honest mistakes, most are settled without ever putting anything in a member's record & most "dealings" are in helping members not writing them up

Grey_Tower wrote: "I can see my medical records, I can get to see my credit report, I can review my employee file, how can I get to see my member record? Do I need to file a request under the Freedom of Information Act?". Ditto. Please can each member see his/her own member record? I lost several Gerry Anderson UFO series models in the copyright purge. They were useful to people, because some of them appeared in several Renderosity gallery renders. And another member lost a Judge Dredd Lawgiver pistol a few days after he put it in the freestuff.

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Please can each member see his/her own member record? Id like to hear the answer to this one as well..if the answer is no...there's gonna be a stink Im sure. If its yes, then where do we find it?...its not on the profile page.

There's something I'd like to know about member records. The TOS state that a first violation results in deletion of a post and an entry in the member record. A second violation results in a temporary ban - and another entry. A third violation results in a permanent ban. I've been a member here for almost two years now. Fairly active, in this period I've posted almost 200 images and over a thousand forum posts. Two of my images have been removed for TOS violations, long ago, and none of my forum posts have been removed. I'd say I'm a well behaved member here. Still, should I post something that would be considered a TOS violation, it would be the third one and I could be permanently banned according to the TOS. Now I don't think I run the risk of getting permanently banned if I should post another thing that went a little over the edge. It wouldn't be reasonable, and in my experience the mods and coordinators here are very reasonable people. Still I'd like to know better what the Renderosity policy is regarding incidental minor TOS violations. On a side note: two weeks ago I posted an image that could be considered a TOS violation. Instead of simply deleting it and recording a warning, the coordinator politely asked me by PM to change the image. I really appreciated this, I fixed the image and now it's TOS safe. Kudos to Angel1 for handling this in a professional and pleasant manner!

" Kudos to Angel1 for handling this in a professional and pleasant manner! " You are lucky. My experience was less than this.

" In answer to you all's question about viewing your members record. As stated before by the Mods the warnings and notes can not be viewed by anyone other then the Mod's,Coord's and Admin here it is for our records to keep track of trouble makers and such."

which is not legally correct in several countries, (UK/US/Canada/Members of the EU etc). I suggest you contact a legal council and get correct facts on this matter rather than spread disinformation in the manner that you are doing.

"Everyone signed the TOS when they joined I would advise people to reread it to make sure they understand it." which should be amended to say "Sine we change the TOS on a regular basis without prior notification to the membership. warning : the TOS you agreed to has probably been changed. we suggest re-reading the TOS at least once a month for the changes. thank you."

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If anyone has concerns regarding their member record please contact me privately and we will discuss it. The member record is for the teams use so that we can keep track of issues and so we are not all handling the same issue at the same time. Its for our internal use. When we make a change in the TOS we do announce it so that members will be informed of the change as we did with the new child image guidelines. We also educate members when we make changes before handing out warnings, again as we did with the changes on the child image guidelines. If a member is adhering to the TOS, then there shouldn't be a problem or concern with their member record. Stacey Community Manager

" If anyone has concerns regarding their member record please contact me privately and we will discuss it. The member record is for the teams use so that we can keep track of issues and so we are not all handling the same issue at the same time. Its for our internal use." no problems there. but under several countries laws, if a record is held the person the record is concerning can request to see said record at anytime. that is the arguement and why I suggested that legal council be consulted since the stance that the records here are exempt from such laws is quite incorrect. as to th notification I have only seen 1 notification in the 6 years I have been a member but I am aware of at least 3 changes made after the fact by complaints in forum or by reviewing the TOS myself.

Since I have been around we inform when we make a TOS change so not sure exactly what changes that weren't announced that you are talking about. As far as the member record I don't know "laws" surrounding this but I will certainly find out. I don't think its at all the same as some of the examples others were giving like medical records, credit reports, etc. We'll see. Stacey

Example of such a law :

the UK's Data Protection Act : any records kept on an individual - electronic, paper or any other recorded means- must be given up unaltered to said individual upon request.

this is binding for companies, clubs,hospitals, gov depts (subject to defence clause) etc - any records other than those marked secret (defence of the realm) have to be released as requested.

(I know that one well from working in IT depts in the UK. we had to know it chapter and verse.)

as to notifications - the sudden enforcement of the copyright rules (which had not been enforced at all for several years) is one example. also the addition of the holding time for freestuff is another.

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I'll find out what is what when I get in the office tomorrow. Also the copyright rules and freestuff holding times were actually changes in the original TOS? I'm not aware of those changes in the TOS. Maybe they were changes before my time but as far as I know actual changes in how the TOS reads are announced to the community. Stac

only recently Stacy. put it this way, only the last 3 changes have been announced.... there were many before that.. the TOS now is not the TOS I agreed to in '99...

Well we will be always announcing them now this I know because I will be sure its done. But if everyone re read it on the last 3 changes then they are aware of how it reads presently and any future changes will be known to members. Thanks and I'll let ya know what I find out about the member records as soon as I can. In the meantime as I stated above, if anyone has any concerns about their member record please contact me and I'll be glad to discuss it. Stacey

"Also the copyright rules and freestuff holding times were actually changes in the original TOS? I'm not aware of those changes in the TOS. Maybe they were changes before my time but as far as I know actual changes in how the TOS reads are announced to the community.

Free stuff providers who had their original meshes approved by the PTB were suddenly told they had a "warning" in their "records" for modeling something possibly tradmarked/tradedress/whatever. (real world items even) Something approved by this site, I might add. That's they type of situation I'm sure that's being refered to.
Something just so wrong about this site telling a member something is ok then turning around a issuing "warnings" about the very thing they said ok to.
If you're wondering where the lack of faith is coming from...

I personally think that each member is entitled to 'view' his/her personal record, kept on file here at RR, for their 'own records'..that it shouldn't be just for PTB eyes only.. and members shouldn't have to 'ask' if they can see them, or told what they contain...if 'anything' is written about a member, that member has full rights to know about it..and should be able to view it in its entirety..like maybe in ones own account page.

I am a member of many forums such as this, mod a few, and even own a few...nowhere have I heard of a site keeping 'records' of its members actions, unless its in the minds of the mods/admins...

I dont think this is going to go over too well with alot of people myself...could be wrong tho..I have been before..but something about records being kept behind closed doors about members, and they aren't allowed to see them without a 'request'? hmmmmm...To borrow a quote from Kendra,...some wonder where the lack of faith comes from..

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Concerning the "3 strikes and you're out" rule, is there a time limit or not? Is the rule "3 offences within a year", or what? Before the management check on new freestuff started, many people uploaded mesh models whose names included trademarks such as Star Trek and Star Wars and Gerry Anderson series names etc and weren't stopped and people thought that it was acceptable.

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ok.. the record has a copy of any official letter sent to the member when an image is removed from the gallery you should have received a letter stating as such, that is your copy any comments in exact quotes made in the galleries &/or forum that may have been removed for one reason of another (as stated in the TOS) you should be aware of these as you wrote them & should have been informed if removed it goes there automatically, computer generated, as a "record" of what was done & by which mod or cord... instead of haphazardly removing images or comments that may be in violation of the TOS without any kind of record.. it is more of a check system & is not full of juicy little tidbits about each member i can assure you as i mentioned.. not all people read the TOS, innocent violations happen... those are taken into consideration.. there could be a language problem or they need extra help & time in understanding the policies.. issuing bans is not the goal of the member record or the staff

ps... :o)))))))))) come on & smile people, this place is really not so bad!

cynlee wrote:- any official letter sent to the member when an image is removed from the gallery ... you should have received a letter stating as such, that is your copy ... any comments in exact quotes made in the galleries &/or forum that may have been removed for one reason of another (as stated in the TOS) ... you should be aware of these as you wrote them & should have been informed if removed But people's memories fade with time, and old email gets buried or deleted. It would be useful for each member if he/she could access his/her personal file of listed offences and actions therefore taken.

sure Anthony.. personally I see no reason not to let you know by IM or email any & all "violations" of the terms of service noted so you will know where you stand, that is a reasonable request.. the site is just not set up for you to view this yourself.. at the present time :] that would be an administrative & programming issue

But people's memories fade with time, and old email gets buried or deleted. Ack! Anthony got there first..that was coming from me next :D that would be an administrative & programming issue This would indeed be nice if the PTB would consider this as a service to its members.

I will bring up the suggestion regarding members having access to their member records to the admin team. Also as far as "laws" are concerned, I know Khai brought up some laws regarding other countries but since Renderosity is based in the US, we are governed by US law. As cynlee stated the removal of images and comments is an automatic process that puts the info on the member record along with the communications staff sends to you regarding the removal. The only information on someone's member record is the email/IM that was sent to you about the removal. We don't put personal opinions or thoughts on a member record. If you would like to refresh your memory on any communications you have received regarding a TOS violation, please let me know privately and I can resend it to you. Thanks Stacey

** I will bring up the suggestion regarding members having access to their member records to the admin team.** Thanks Stacey, its appreciated. :)

No problem:) I will let you all know as soon as I can. Stacey

me again, sorry "but since Renderosity is based in the US, we are governed by US law." not entirely correct. you see, renderosity can be held accountable to international law. case in point : renderosity in the past has held images / freebies that can (and were/are) directly linked to Nazi Germany. under german law, the german government can request such items to be removed. if they are not, then the german govenment will order the ISP's in the country to block the website until such time as th offending articles are removed /and / or impose a fine on the owners of the website. (see cases against Amazon and Ebay).

Hi Khai, I'm not disputing you because I don't know the laws, I just know that we have to make sure we are in compliance with US laws since we are based here and its a privately owned site. Not sure of issues such as the one you were referring to above. Thanks Stacey

yes you are compliant to US laws. except this is an international site and with that you do have some responsibilites. EBay and Amazon are "privately owned sites" yet they had to comply with German Law in the cases I sited and it was Ebay US and Amazon US, the home companies that were charged in this case. being 'US Based' and following 'US Law' did not shield them. they were / are internationally accessed, hence they were affected by this. why do you think Microsoft and Google are following Chinese law on censorship? it's not just them trading there... think on that.

I think it would be good to be able to see wether you have any violations or how many etc. For instance : I can't be sure if I have any!? and the one Image I was asked to remove was in relation to the new nudity policies last year. Was a mention of the removal (violation) placed on my record then, while the community was still 'being educated' on the new policies or was it left off the record because it was an 'unintentional' violation of the tos? I can't remember wether it was mentioned to me at the time :) So you see it would be handy to view this information and then if I do disagree with anything on my record I can ask fo it to be reviewed :)

Khai, just curious, are you an attorney?

no.. just worked in IT depts for international companies where we hadda know this stuff to protect our own asses. gods I wish I did'nt know it and it wasn't nessecary to know it. I do know that with the german case, both companies complied with german law after lengthy discussions. by the "US law" model, they did'nt have to.. but there again, they would not be trading in germany. I'm not saying renderosity needs to follow every country's laws. but I am saying, as a international site they do have responsibilities and they are affected by local country law if that government chooses to enforce it.

at my parents house in the UK, I have a 50 page manual from one of the companies listing what we could do, don't and what the company was responsible for on the website. I am taking my information from that, which was drawn up by the lawyers on the 4th floor over a period of abou six months, (I know this, since I was the one fixing the computers). I do know what I'm talking about. thank you for your comments. do you have anthing else to add?

As I said before, I'm don't know everything about the law as I'm not a lawyer and that is the only way I would be comfortable saying what's what. I will find out about the member record in regards to members having access to their personal record. And again, if anyone has any questions or concerns about their member record, please contact me via IM/email and I'll be glad to discuss it with you. Thanks Stacey

I sent you an IM:) Stac

I think it would be good to be able to see wether you have any violations or how many etc. For instance : I can't be sure if I have any!? and the one Image I was asked to remove was in relation to the new nudity policies last year. Was a mention of the removal (violation) placed on my record then, while the community was still 'being educated' on the new policies or was it left off the record because it was an 'unintentional' violation of the tos? I can't remember wether it was mentioned to me at the time :) So you see it would be handy to view this information and then if I do disagree with anything on my record I can ask fo it to be reviewed :)

Well I'll just sit here and quietly polish my halo until I discover I have some kind of "record" and that my halo is about to become a noose LOL ...

yep Kym...seems about the size of it :)