Dodger sez
[modified compile of a Trillian conversation in the form of an argument follows]:

To get the Poser community at large to realise that:

a) there are places other than the DAZ store and the RMP that sell Poser content

b) There are places other than the DAZ store that sell GOOD Poser content (the RMP even has some)

c) If someone other than DAZ makes a Poser figure, it doesn't automatically suck

?

I may be venting here a bit, but there's a problem with the dynamic of the community in general and it needs to be addressed...

If someone makes a figure, unless that somoene is the DAZ corporate entity, no one will bother to help by making add-ons. The other merchants and free stuff makers will usually figure it's not worth the time because it won't sell.

But why won't it sell?

Really, let's examine this...

It won't sell because there's no stuff for it.

HEY look, angry bike! (err, vicious cycle).

I know this, you probably know this. Anton sure as $% knows this by now.

Yet we let it happen. We don't bother to make things for the little guy because they won't sell a lot, and then the little guy doesn't have a lot of stuff, so he doesn't sell a lot, so there are less copies of him in circulation, so there are less people who need to buy stuff for him, so there are less sales of stuff for him, so there's a justification to not make stuff for him, even though it's the cause.

I'm not just bitching and whining here, either. I want people's opinions on what figures should have what stuff for them, but NOT DAZ figures. At least not the big popular DAZ figures. Not DAZ Unimesh figures anyway. Other figures. New figures. Other people's figures.

Elle. Apollo Max. Posette. Even HER. The Aeons. Hell, even Grim. Grim there's the classic forgotten guy, even if he IS DAZ.

Why am I [we, all four of us actually] asking this?

Because I'm going to do it my damned self. I will pick a few figures form the response here and champion them. I will address the 'it doesn't have enough stuff' issue with at least one figure and make sure it DOES. Lots. Everything done for anyone that makes sense to convert and new stuff, even textures if need be. Remaps. Morphs. Whatever. And it will be dirt cheap.

The only catch is, if you post here wanting things for someone, you better put your money where your mouth is. Dirt cheap makes that easy, but you're on the honour system and under a public obligation to make the purchase when the stuff arrives.

I think if we work together, we can make this a real honest to god free market rather than an oligopoly like it is now. Screw this big fish crap, screw this little pond crap. The only way our community and market are going to survive in the long run is if they grow. I want a RIVER.

Message edited on: 02/07/2006 14:05

or (d) when somebody introduces a new figure that doesn't suck, it isn't necessarily the case that it secretly incorporates geometry and JPs from Daz or zygote figures.

So many to choose from... but I will vote for Apollo Max.
Other would be the P6 male figures James and Ben. Poor little Ben only has jeans/shirt and shoes... and that is most likely all he will ever have.
One female that I like is Miki, but she is getting "some" support.

Message edited on: 02/07/2006 14:19

I haven't bought anything from daz in over a year. I even removed V3, M3 and SP from my runtime so I wouldn't have to look at all those dang pose libraries. I am now at peace with the world and my teeth are whiter ;)

Glamorous Glennis/Jessi. There are a few packages out for her, but not much. And James.

sigh asked these questions over and over again. there are many excellent figures and merchants out there that don't sell at daz which are ignored.

example : Sixus1 released a deamon figure for next to nothing. excellent figure as well.

daz release a demon figure. not as good. (wing joints to the body for instance)

which gets the support and overwhelming asskissing crap?

yup.

the daz one.... which costs 6 times more.

funny world ain't it?
oh to add. nothing against daz. just the mindless Cult that has grown up around their merchandise.

Message edited on: 02/07/2006 14:28

It's all a case of marketing. DAZ is very good at marketing... they know how to sell you stuff you really don't need. They really make you feel thst if you're not buying their stuff you're inferior and if you don't buy their latest hype, you're not trendy and cool. They portray their figures as superior, even if they're really junk and their good at it. DAZ does understand Poser -- D/S users very well, a lot of them cannot resist temptation and have a hole in their wallet. CP, RMP, RDNA and others do not use these kind of sales tactics, they're much more polite, customer orientated and less aggressive and that is, in this community a weakness. If DAZ would have made AM, James or Jessi, they would have gotten applause, instead of being bashed all the time. I do seriously doubt a lot of people have really given James a try and a closer look. He's a much better figure then M3 is. Good luck in going against the DAZ empire.... The only place that I do spent my money at is mostly CP, but that store sells stuff from the better non DAZ merchants anyway. I do hope that more good merchants (we've seen a few lately) do have the guts to say no to the big empire.

I don't think it's a "mindless cult." But I don't think there's much one person (or even a few people) can do about it. People stick with DAZ figures for the same reason most people stick with Windows. No, we aren't blind to the flaws of Windows. Yes, we know all about all the advantages of Macs and Linux. But they don't outweight the big advantage: compatibility.

I vote for Apollo Max. It's a great figure and does have a little bit of decent support, especially at RDNA. I can't promise I'll buy just anything for him since my artwork is predominantly Sci-Fi oriented. But, I have put my money where my mouth is previously for other figures by supporting the good Sci-Fi content providers out there. Some of the products may be a bit pricey, but I recognize that the Sci-Fi market appears a bit smaller than the fantasy and pin-up markets, so I'm willing to pay for quality. If it is skin tight or has a bare mid-riff though, I'm not buying it - I need practical, believable clothing. As a side note, I'd also love to see some things for your Zzasz figure at PoserPros. Some Sci-Fi armor perhaps?

I have to disagree. it is a mindless cult. you see.. the Cult will buy anything, whether they need it or not, whthter they will use it or not. If that ain't cult behavior, I need to change my dictionary....

Apollo Max is a good choice ... especially since those who purchase "Practical Poser 6" get a compact version and will be looking for stuff for him!

Guilty as charged yout honour! Yes I am on record as saying I won't buy a figure because----- Yada, yada! I said this about Miki and am now regretting it! Like many I imagine, I have some plastic to spend each Month on content for what is a hobby for me, and over the last couple of years I have purchased many clothing items for V3, M3 you get the picture. I didn't get Miki because I would have to start all over again getting stuff for her which limits, in the short term what I can do image wise with her! I'm now regretting that decision and intend getting her next Month. My reasons are simple, the renders I've seen of her make her look really excellent and the support for her among merchants is growing, hence more stuff for her. I'm not a modeller and don't intend to ever model so I need value for money for what I need to buy, So here's to you for trying, I hope you succeed!

There is some support for Miki, now that you mention it. I think it's because she really does offer something V3 doesn't: a realistic, expressive Asian face. I do buy stuff for Miki. I would buy stuff for Koji, if there were any. (Though frankly, I don't care for Koji's body. I don't care for M3's body, either, but at least it's easy to morph.)

I would buy stuff for Miki and Koji. Though probably not pinup gear. I like Miki's casual clothing pack, stuff like that.

I have to disagree. it is a mindless cult. you see.. the Cult will buy anything, whether they need it or not, whthter they will use it or not.

I don't think that applies to the average Poser user. You'd have to be awfully wealthy to do that these days; there's so much stuff being sold.

I admit I have "bought" things I don't really need from DAZ...but usually, it's not for real money. For example, I bought the Dragonworld stuff, and got the free Wyvern, even though I didn't really need any of it. But I had the $50 gift certificate from Christmas, and it was expiring. I would either lose it and get nothing, or use it to "buy" the Dragonworld stuff. I bought the Dragonworld stuff.

DAZ marketing at its finest...

Well, I have bought lots of different figures and almost all of them have virtually no support. The last alternative female figure I put my hopes in was Neftis's Elle, which, although a great figure, has nothing like the content available for any of the DAZ figures. WW could certainly ease the lack of clothes but there's still a dearth of stuff available. As a content creator, I got burned making a texture set for a figure that wasn't well supported, too. I almost started working on Renda/Renda 2, too. Be a long time before I do that again. Chances are I'll make a new set for Miki because she appears to be doing well. Other, non DAZ models, I'll wait and see.

Dang I just typed a long reply to this..and it disappeared..durnit! Runs over and kicks the Renderosity webmaster in the kneecap..lol Never mind..I'll try a condensed version.. I want to see somebody make new models not based on the "giants" and and..maybe some stuff that is still is based on the original Poser Pro Pack characters..like Posette..something like 3Dream did with Eternal Posette (no longer available) of course. gasp..Poser Pro Pack..well yeah..so? ..at least I don't come here complaining it won't work..lol and for the record it was not cheap when I bought it either :P I wont however diss Daz..they are pricey..true..but they have been pretty decent to me..well ok..at least one person there has been :0) But I would say 99% of what I buy is here at Renderosity..

Ditto Tunesy. My runtime is a DAZ-free zone. Got tired of proprietary lock-down. Might be a personal bias involved, though: Vicky looks and acts like my ex-wife. Forces her stuff to the top of the list with exclamation points, crashes the system if everything isn't just right.

I dont wait for the support to come to the figures I like.

I bring the figures I like to the support:

James (and Koji) have a great face, but I couldnt care less about their bodys.
M3s body isnt perfect, but far more versaitle and it has tons of support.
So why should I bother with their unsupported bodys if all it takes is a bit of Frankensteining to get all the support I could ever want. ^-^

Same for Jessi and Miki, and any other non-DAZ Mesh out there.

Resistance is futile. Prepare to be DAZimilated.

;-)

stahlratte

Thats one thing I do dislike..that 8 mile long !V3 inj list under poses..Daz should have known better than doing that at least.. But then again..V3 isn't as Pro Pack friendly as the earlier versions I wont toss V3 mostly because I got too many better looking girls from around here that needs her base..wonder if I can just use the base and still toss the 8 mile list though???

James, Miki, Judy and EJ, those are my gals and guys. The girls steal all Vickies clothes and skin. James, can steal all the other guy's clothes. I've gotten to where I can do a hair fit in about a minute. With these models, I can create a city full of people, all with different faces and bodies. And although not perfect, the three of them are far superior to anything Unimesh. The only issue: lack of body morphs for James. ::::: Opera :::::

Dang, Stahlrette. That looks pretty good. I wouldn't mind Koji's head on David's body, or Miki's head on SP's body. But how do you handle the textures?

So far the head and upper part of the neck take James textures, while the rest takes M3 textures. So you have to blend one of the textures to the other in photoshop first and maybe do a bit of postwork where both meet.

Would be far better if the head would be remapped to M3, but I really do suck at mapping. LOL.

Maybe one day a kind soul like AprilYSH who remapped Dork, Posette and Stephanie I will remap Jessi, James, Koji and Miki to take V3 and M3 textures. ;-)

I agree, although Mikis original body really isnt bad, her head on Stephanie Petites body would be a great combo.

stahlratte

Mike3s body YUK!!!

Mike3s body YUK!!!<<

Well, not everybody can have such a nice body as the DORK : ;-)

That brings me back to the original topic.
Pitklad is just investing a lot of time to give the P4 Dork a complete overhaul.

I dont think hed mind a little support to bring the Dork back into the spotlight a bit. ^-^

stahlratte

I find it interesting, here we have a thread about moving away from Daz products and supporting other vendors. and we have ppl talking about mixing daz products into other vendors products. defeating the point of the questions / excersise? proving my Cult theory? we'll schedule that debate for next week.

Yes I am a DAZoholic, I want to quit but Aiko wont let me.

radstorm - you can always tuck the !!!V3 stuff in the Pose folder wherever it suits you, or rearrange the whole library they way you see it fit, especially in Poser 6 (or so I heard), just don't touch the !!!DAZ, Geometry and Textures folders which you don't see from inside the Poser anyway :)

I have a whole zoo in my runtime, from DAZ people to the most unexpected humans (and non humans) ever created for Poser. I use whatever suits my mood.

DAZ is not the only place to get Poser content, actually I got to know about it some years after I started to work with Poser :) If you don't like something, don't use it, that's simple. And blaming on DAZ (CP, Sixus1, etc) that some figures do not get enough support is illogical. Merchants want to earn money, not only to do something they love to do. And it's not a merchant's fault that V3 stuff sells way better than anything else... I'd like to see more support for Eroko and MDP Anime Girl :) THEY are totally unsupported :)

Michal edited to add some details

Message edited on: 02/07/2006 16:29

I dunno, I currently have in my Runtime, Vic3, Steph3, David, Mike3, Freak, The Girl, Miki, Koji, Jessi, James, The Girl Next Door [yeah she runs off vic3 but you try and put v3 clothes on her..so I consider her a different character] Aiko3, Hiro, the Troll, Sixus1 Minotaur & Centaur,...David is a sweet character even if he is from DAZ. I think a lot of people have purchased from places like DAZ and Renderosity due to their popularity...some people might feel smaller independent producers might not have good credit card safety...Or might feel like they're more likely to get ripped off compared to the bigger company or they question the sites security, might think they won't get any customer service. I know when I've purchased from other smaller Poser sites I've second-guessed myself on my use of my credit card. Another item is, when I bought Poser5 as a brand new customer, I was treated to advertisements in the box for DAZ, Renderosity and RunTimeDNA...so as a brand spanking new Poser nut where do you think I went? Did I know any better? Nope. Personally, I'm looking for what looks as close to real as possible. Some places that have their own characters they have looked too cartoony to me to spend money on them. Now, I got the Girl, Aiko3 for free from DAZ during a sale, have I used them yet? Nope. Also a lot of people are looking for flexibility in their models, adding morphs and the changeabilty and ease of use. I could be wrong but the DAZ family have very long morph lists. Also a lot of people look at the galleries and see what other people are using, give these artists who constantly get 40-50 comments on each piece of their art a new character model to work with and see if that doesn't boost sales. I think DAZ wouldn't be where it is today without Rosity, and same goes the other way around. Rosity is a huge melting pot, its ability to entertain a wide range of artists is its draw. Word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising, ie going back to those artists who can gather large numbers of hits/comments. When a new character or texture hits the market, I do a search in the galleries to see how other people have used them, how they look etc. What I would really like to see is more content for the guys. I'm kind of tired to seeing 10 things for the females to every 1 item for the guys. I wish the guys would come over looking as good as the females, but I think the most % of Poser artists are men. The Poser-men are coming along, but certainly at a slower pace compared to the female figures. I've often heard that the reason why there aren't many items to pick from is because there is no market for it...well if all we had to pick from was funky looking stuff then of course we're not going to pay money for it which in the long run isn't going to make them popular or create a decent market. Some of these merchants who put out some really great looking female characters need to try and dish out some good looking men for a change...how about that for a challenge? [there are some out there, don't get me wrong, but a very low %] I have sent a few of these artists and email to see if they are going to come out with a male character to match their females and I've been told it's in the works...so far it's been over a year now and no male sighted. Ok, I'm getting off the soap box now, I've probably mangled the subject with my tangent. I don't even know if I stayed on topic...waves Rosity ate my post, hopefully didn't post twice...

Thanks 4blueyes..I will try that :0) Once again I repeat..I won't diss Daz..I have to give them credit for creating a successful model..you have to remember back then nobody else was creating an alternative.. Another reason is that there are merchants who sell there and here also such as Quarker..I don't think they sell at Daz because they are cult followers :0) It's not always big that attracts the band wagon either..a good example would be Long Hair Evolution..look at the following it got..and it's a freebie :0)

First off, I bought a few of the Aeon Products: I really loved The Boy. So far there hasn't been any other companion for Girl close to him. What happened to them, they seemed to die out for lack of clothes, textures etc. I have gone with the Poser 6 Family as well as Miki, Koji, Terai Yuki 2 and Apollo Max. My Miki Folder seems to be growing, mainly do to merchant support. TY2 also seems to be gaining in support from some merchants. I would buy more for Koji, James and AM, if more textures, clothes etc were available. I like AM and wish the newest Casual clothes were for AM, not just M3. Both James and Koji are still waiting for Full Body Morphs. I believe there is a Body Builder "Only" morph for James. Re:Maybe one day a kind soul like AprilYSH who remapped Dork, Posette and Stephanie I will remap Jessi, James, Koji and Miki to take V3 and M3 textures. ;-) Maybe some merchants could get together as PhilC and Kamilche did with WW etc and come up with a Universal Texture Converter that would work with AM, Koji, James, Jessi, Miki etc????? I think WardRobe Wizard has helped alot with my divestiture of Daz Figures. I can now modify clothes for the figures I do like using, such as Miki, Koji etc. By all means, please Give it a Try merchants. I was hoping for a female companion for Apollo Max. Unfortunately it sounds like Anton has stopped production on her. Cheers DR

I'm not going to get involved in the politics here, but would really like to see more clothes for Kiki. No, she's not a Daz character, but is made by Lady Little Fox who is now at RDNA...is that a problem? Anyway you asked and that's what I would like to see more of. :-)

*and we have ppl talking about mixing daz products into other vendors products.

defeating the point of the questions / excersise? proving my Cult theory?*

No, proving my "compatibility" theory. :)

"Frankensteins" are useful because they can wear the same clothing as DAZ figures. Wardrobe Wizard is great, but it's not the same as having clothing that is actually made for the figure.

no, they are not that useful since they break EULA terms.

read the EULA's lad.. you'll see.
and your're STILL going back to Daz for morph's and clothes. we're trying to encourage support for OTHER vendors. did you miss that?

Message edited on: 02/07/2006 17:01

I'm not planning to sell or redistribute. Though as I understand it, you can redistribute them, as long as they are encoded. Otherwise, how could Little_Dragon distribute Mia?

and that can be revoked/recalled/banned at anytime by Daz. read the EULA.

Eh. I don't care. I'm not a merchant. I'm not planning to redistribute anything. I wouldn't expect Frankensteins to ever really catch on, due to the texture issue. (Unless it's an anime figure, like Bel-Bel.)

ok.. then why are talking about it in this thread, which is asking about what support is wanted for NON DAZ FIGURES?
since it seems you've not read the first post and are just blathering on.
I'd really like an answer to that.

Message edited on: 02/07/2006 17:11

I believe the question is more about why do non DAZ figures not sell as well as their DAZ counterparts.

proving my Cult theory?<<

Hardly.

Rather a lesson in eclecticism. :-)

Use the stuff that works and throw away what not works.
And obviously the non-DAZ meshes dont "work" for the majority of users.

As for EULAs., you better get your facts straight.
As long as you decode them properly, Frankensteins are fine.
Only one merchant obviously thinks that his creations must be protected from unauthorized improvments. ;-)

You want to break DAZ dominance ?

Fine, then maybe start by creating some meshes that are actually better than their unimesh.
Not just better because it isnt DAZ, but better because they are more realistic, have better mesh topology, are more versaitle, more easy to use and (VERY IMPORTANT) are more attractive.

And price them right so that everybody can afford it.

THEN, and ONLY then, you might have a chance that people give up their gigabites of DAZ content and switch over.

Everything else is just wishfull thinking.

Most merchants need to make money and have only limited time. So they of course will spend their time for things that bring the most profit.
I supported NEA/Posette and Dork just for fun, but if I wanted to make money from my stuff, I wouldnt have touched them with a ten foot pole.
I really like them, but from a monetary point of view, products for them would be be a waste of time because they would be unsaleable these days.

If you want to support a non-DAZ mesh, just do it.
But dont expect others to voluntarily loose money.

Things are not like they are because DAZ are devils incarnate and the Poserites are mindless sheep.
Things are what they are because all other meshes are simply not good enough to compete.
And they wont get better with more support.

As for UTC and WardrobeWizzard.
It was pretty stupid from e-frontier to not map Jessi and James like V3 and M3, or at least map them like V2 and M2 like Judy and Don.
From what I know there wont be a Jessi/James UTC plugin because the developer simply doesnt see enogh sales for it to be worthwhile.
And Im VERY sceptical about any kind of automatic clothing conversions.
You just cant get the same quality with converted clothes than you get with clothes that were made for the mesh.
And the more detailed the clothing mesh is, the more the conversion will lack cmpared to the original item.

So I very much prefer to use hybrids, as they can be clothed as easily as the original meshes without any loss of quality.

stahlratte

I am willing to support any vender that creates stuff I need, and note I am here..not at Daz :o) Let's not forget too..there are lots of merchants who create stuff not based on anything except their own ideas..such as props, scenery, types of textures, scripts, etc It's also nice to see someone still is working with the old Poser characters like Dork. :0) I also agree..there needs to be more support of the male characters..so all these girls will have more of a variety to smack around .. or worse (see my severed head thread) lol

I did read the first post. I answered part c). As for a) and b)...can't answer that, because I've always bought my Poser stuff all over the place. 3dCommune, PoserPros (even before it was DAZ), Faerie-Dreams, Netherworks, RDNA, CP, etc. It's more convenient to shop at one big store, but if a merchant offers a better price at his or her Web site, I'll shop there.

"As for EULAs., you better get your facts straight. As long as you decode them properly, Frankensteins are fine. Only one merchant obviously thinks that his creations must be protected from unauthorized improvments. ;-)" get yours straight. th Daz EULA covers dirivative works of which a hybrid is one and Dazz reserve the right to force any dirivative to be withdrawn at their request. again. READ THE EULA. as to the merchant who's that?

" I did read the first post. I answered part c). As for a) and b)...can't answer that, because I've always bought my Poser stuff all over the place. 3dCommune, PoserPros (even before it was DAZ), Faerie-Dreams, Netherworks, RDNA, CP, etc. It's more convenient to shop at one big store, but if a merchant offers a better price at his or her Web site, I'll shop there." I'm sorry. your later posts missed the point of the discussion so I did'nt know if you had read the post.

It's called "thread drift." You may or may not have noticed, but it happens here. A lot.

OK, here's my take on the subject (as a whole). Firstly, I'd have to say (from my reading & legal advice received) - "Frankenstiens" are perfectly within the terms of the EULA so long as you do not redistribute them. Redistributing them requires permission or encoding against the originals. Encoding is a bit "iffy" without permission (as the current EULA doesn't provide any exceptions), but DAZ seem to be sweet with it. I don't rely on good intentions - but others seem fine to shrug Secondly, I would say the best figures to support would be those that do not require third-party purchases. Apollo Maximus IS a good figure, but his price is hefty. James is pretty good, Domus/Dork is great for low poly (compared to other Poser figures that is), Jessi (when her angry brow is morphed away) is decent, etc. All of them come free with Poser or are a free download away. And frankly - their body shapes are closer to "reality" than the Unimesh crew anyway! I mean - M3 looks like he was castrated young, and don't get me started on David. And to be honest - I have not seen a single woman look like V3's body. There are also some of the toonish characters out there aside from Aiko that could use support. HER is a great model with next to no support. Netherworks did some great morphs for here (which are selling at a very nice price btw), but there are next to no outfits/props for the figure. I'd say, from a marketting standpoint, the best thing to do is to determine what outfits/content you are best at making and then focus on the figures that will complement that. If you're into morphing/altering figures - go for the Project Human bases and release an "XFX Variant" of them, like you did with Aeon. If you're good at sci-fi/vehicles/etc - I'd say go for HER & HIM - they are well suited to a stylistic set of content or for anime-like stuff - Maya/Anime-doll (free/low-cost). If you are into clothing - go for one of the default or altered default figures. The way I see it, with DAZ having released V3/M3 for "free" (with that EULA I cannot say that without the inverted commas) - you'd be fighting a hard uphill battle to get people to purchase a figure for ~$50 and then buying your content. Stick to the low cost & free models, as the barrier to entry on them is much lower. --EK

I got no problems shopping at a merchant's personal site either, randy..sometimes you can find really good stuff there you won't find on their big site store list...such as PhilC and others.. What I won't do is join those PPV (pay per view) or pay membership poser sites. I am only going to spend on a merchant's product, not on the webmaster's overhead.

th Daz EULA covers dirivative works of which a hybrid is one and Dazz reserve the right to force any dirivative to be withdrawn at their request.<< And your point is ? With the same paragraph, they could force each and any clothing item to be withdrawn, too, because they all are derivative works. There is an afwul lot of things wrtten in EULAs just to cover every possible situation, but that doesnt mean that this part would be ever enforced. With the same paragraph, they could force any clothing item to be withdrawn, too. So what makes you think they would ever do this ? But if you really, really, REALLY want to be on the safe side, you just can create a conforming head for the DAZ figures like Neftis did. As for the merchant, I know that Anton doesnt allow his AM geometry to be redistributed, not even encoded. This makes of course distribution of any Hybrids impossible. stahlratte

Yeah, PhilC's got some great stuff, and some great deals. I am willing to join subscription sites, but they have to have an established reputation. I have PoserWorld and Props Club subscriptions, and I'm happy with them, but it took a long time before I signed up. Basically, enough time so that I got an idea of what kind of stuff they would have, how regularly it would be uploaded, etc.

"With the same paragraph, they could force each and any clothing item to be withdrawn, too, because they all are derivative works." bingo! you get it!

I've bought at DAZ, Renderosity, 3DCommune, PoserPros, RDNA, Sixus1, CP, you name it. I shop where the items I want are sold. Which is all over the place. Including DAZ and Renderosity. Different marketplaces have different specialties. For natural environments RDNA is just about unbeatable. For monsters there's Sixus1. I like most unimesh figures, despite their obvious shortcomings - so that's DAZ. Transmapped hair - either Kozaburo or the 'rosity RMP. Skin textures - here at 'rosity. The list goes on, Ad infinitum and/or ad nauseam. That said, if someone made a good medieval outfit or Roman/medieval armor and weapons for James, I'd buy it. Fantasy outfit for Eternal Judy or Glamorous Jessi - I'd buy it. Doesn't matter at what marketplace.

bingo! you get it!<<

Again, and your point is ?

Oh wait, I just read in your profile that sixus1 is "your manager ?!"

Hmm, didnt sixus try to distribute a free figure that could wear V3 clothing and DAZ was OK with that as long as she was distributed encoded. But sixus refused to that and rather withdrew her completely ?

Hmmm......seems this is not about cults, but more about hidden agendas. LOL. ;-p

stahlratte