Only reason I never thought about selling it myself is that it's a copieright design by hollywood, So how does daz let this peep sell it to begin with?

...when people have legitimate gripes they will post about it occasionally, Xeno. Expound on it all ya like but that's life. It has nothing to do with 'axes to grind'...

My post wasn't addressed at you in particular, Tucan-Tiki.

If you feel that a model of yours has been stolen, then I strongly suggest that you take the matter up with DAZ. In my experience, they are swift to deal with such issues. Although please keep in mind that this is a weekend: and that the DAZ folks are probably at home with their families.

Although I'd say that the chances are that you'd hear something back pretty fast, if you have evidence of your claim.

You can also post something about it in the DAZ forums. That would get quicker action from them than over here.

...when people have legitimate gripes they will post about it occasionally, Xeno. Expound on it all ya like but that's life. It has nothing to do with 'axes to grind'...

You are half-right. In some cases: certainly. But my post wasn't directed at those with 'legitimate gripes'.

Rather, it was directed at those who clearly DO have 'axes to grind'.

It isn't hard to tell the difference.

I fear that you leave me a bit mystified, Tucan, my friend.

The model in "my" image? What image are you talking about?

Uh.....and I don't know what 'attitude' you are referring to, Tucan-Tiki.....rude "I was not talking to you remark"......?

But im not going to let it bother me any further.

A good idea.

......I say as I scratch my head.........

Oh....alright.....I think that I've figured it now.....

You are upset about Xena's cover image on her website.

Keep in mind Tucan, that not all X's are the same.

BTW - Xena is a great merchant. I don't think that she's likely to have stolen anything. But I'd be sure to check with her about it, if I were you.

I hope that you don't find this to be a "rude" suggestion.

oK I see what has happened, I mistook your responce to someone you were aiming at as directed at me, and confused you as the originator of the string as well.

My fault, And I see what you ment that you were not talking to me was ment in a good way rather then the way I took it.

sorry my mistake, But it can be said that someone can take what you said in a bad way if they just posted that they got ripped off....And they are so ticked off that they are not paying close enough attetion at what they are reading my fault again.

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No probs here, Tucan-Tiki.

Now, back to the main fight in this thread.....which is a duplicate of many, many other threads......from the past.

Groudhog Day.

And we're all caught in the loop.

The robot isn't sold at DAZ :) I am not sure where it is sold but it isn't at DAZ.

Deleted posts make a thread sound like hearing only one side of a phone conversation.

;)

That's not a robot in my image, that's Aiko 3 :) He's referring the the robot in Mizrael's image in post #2.

Ahhh, OK.

Yes -- the whole thing was a bit of a mystery -- but now we seem to have gotten to the bottom of it.

It's the Lost in Space robot that's the problem. Another case solved.

Glad to have that one cleared up. Thanks, Xena.

;)

"we now have Apollo (a M3 killer), Terai and Mikki. Daz is outside the Poser market now, instead of defining it." The price of Terai, Mikki, and others will keep v3 and m3 that core figures for a long time to come, unless something can hit their price range. Daz's releasing the core piece for free really helps give it a foothold. "(I think Mikki is seriously ugly)" And unmorphed Mikki, well, she's not exactly a 'want to wake up in the morning' face. I've seen a lot of Asian in my life (I've lived in Asia after all), and she's just got something odd about her. On this page: http://www.contentparadise.com/us/user/product.php?productid=17720&cat=1325&page=1 The profile shots look good, but in the front-on shots, something distracts. I've seen beautiful morphed mikkis, but like v3 the default morph just doesn't appeal. I'm heistant to go into it, because the model might be based on a real person like I think v3 was - and that real person might even look better than the 3d mesh ended out... but she might read some of the comments...

"The price of Terai, Mikki, and others will keep v3 and m3 that core figures for a long time to come, unless something can hit their price range. Daz's releasing the core piece for free really helps give it a foothold." many other figures were released for free. they were ignored.. (just a point of fact there)

V3 also has a notable body of free content, and is largely able to use older v1-2 content as well with some tweaks - much of which is also free. The only competing free figure I know of is Stephanie 3 petite, which never got much support. Having a core of free poducts is needed, to draw people in. This is a hobby field after all, not a professional field.

Stephanie 3 is not free.

I want to see them as the leaders they claim to be set fair pricing for unique, quality products. I don't want to see them as leaders at all...... DAZ has kept prices artificially high and now decided to drop their prices, because others are gaining customers because of their much faires prices. People who make claims like: Once again, DAZ has taken the initiative to make 3D as affordable as possible. , while we all know they've overcharged us for years, shouldn't be looked upon a leaders at all. Reading the mail they've sent makes me sick, I'm glad there are more and more alternatives these days and that surely but slowly DAZ is loosing it's empire.

LOL@aeilkema What would you be without your dearest enemy, huh? Plain meaningless, me thinks :P

DAZ has kept prices artificially high Well I'm not sure what YOU think our time is worth, but I know for sure we modellers do NOT get paid a proper wage for what we do. People who work in MacDonalds make more than us per hour :/ I'd be laughing all the way to the bank if I could make $10 p/h doing this! (I work sometimes 16 hour days)

Yup again. 8-)

...we're spoiled as Poser hobbyists. I can think of a few things to complain about regarding Poser and related stuff, but prices isn't one of them.

Please keep in mind that it isn't "prices in general" which some are objecting to -- but only the prices as they are specifically found at DAZ.

Personally, I haven't noticed that DAZ prices are any worse than most other Poser-related sites. You get a few $2.49 items here and there elsewhere -- but those types of packages usually lack the features of more expensive items.

If anyone wants to see what true-structure 3D model pricing is all about, then go to Turbosquid. Of course, taking the costs up to that same level for Poser items would kill the Poser market, and effectively put an end this fun hobby for most people.

I think most customers realise the the price of poser content is extremely low for the work involved. I think every customer should try at least once to make a simple figure, texture, prop or morph set, just to get a faint idea of what's involved. Like Xena, I work all hours. (It's 1.30 am here and I've just finished for the day. That's since 10am this morning). It's not just the modelling or texturing. That's the easy part. When you get to editing the code, adding MATs, lighting, beta-testing, packaging and doing promo images, that's when you really begin to regret ever getting into this business. And remember..... none of the above pays a single cent! Like Stephen King said "Nobody pays a writer to write a book. They only pay him to publish it". Well, it's the same for merchants. After you spend the time making a product, there's no guarantee that the site will actually accept it. I work through DAZ, and despite what some people say, their standards are very high indeed. They don't take everything that's thrown at them. And, even if they do, you'll only be paid if it sells, and according to how well it sells, so you never really have a clue how much you'll get for your time in the end. I'm not sitting here whining about how hard life is. I get along just fine. But it's taken me a few years to get here, and seeing a very few people mouthing off about over-priced content leaves me with the distinct feeling that they know not of what they speak. But as I said, thankfully most customers have a bit more sense. mac

Yep, what mac said!

As a beta tester I know how much work goes into a custom figure or conforming clothes and hair. I would never ever get the idea to complain about prices too high. Sometimes I think products are priced too low for all the work and effort that went into them.

RE:I'm not sitting here whining about how hard life is. I get along just fine. But it's taken me a few years to get here, and seeing a very few people mouthing off about over-priced content leaves me with the distinct feeling that they know not of what they speak. But as I said, thankfully most customers have a bit more sense. I think this same topic was discussed once before in the Daz Forums. A manufacturer places a commodity on the market with the hope that it will sell and show a monetary return for hisher labor. The consumer decides if the commodity is something they like enough to buy it. In general, does the consumer really take into acount how much blood, sweat and tears went into the production? Very doubtful. Does everyone care how much time the farmer spent producing the food you eat? My brother and I used to spend our summers helping our father build a Custom Home each year. Did the buyer really care how many hours were spent doing this, No. How much will it cost us to buy and can't you lower that price some more? - Always If it doesn't sell well, then maybe the producer needs to consider lowering the asking price or modify the product. If it does sell well, then most likely the consumer market felt it was a fair price. Name recognition also helps No doubt that content producers spend many hours of love and devotion on their products. No doubt as to the quality of many content products. Good, Bad or indifferent,It's still a consumer driven market though. Just because the consumer isn't buying doesn't mean the quality and craftsmanship isn't good. Considering the hefty commission that content sites collect, I do believe they have room to adjust prices to consumer demand, without taking anything more away from the content producer. There are major chains that count their profits per units sold in cents. Cheers DR

Considering the hefty commission that content sites collect, I do believe they have room to adjust prices to consumer demand, without taking anything more away from the content producer. Will you be my agent? ROFLMAO!! ;-)

Considering the hefty commission that content sites collect, I do believe they have room to adjust prices to consumer demand, without taking anything more away from the content producer. Yep, but not in this life! It does not work this way, it's always split 50/50 and taken from both sides, not just from one. Cool if it were so, but it isn't!

RE:Yep, but not in this life! It does not work this way, it's always split 50/50 and taken from both sides, not just from one. Cool if it were so, but it isn't! Interesting. I read the other day that a well known producer was offered a 6040 split. Wonder what would happen if the content producers banded together for the sole purpose of negotiaion and used some bodyorganization to negotiate that split? Then again if everyone is happy giving the saleman as much as 8 hours a day of your labor to sell your product, so be it. Cheers DR

They need a Poser Content Creators Union!

'If it does sell well, then most likely the consumer market felt it was a fair price' DR, I agree with you absolutely. But, that should read.... a fair price compared with other products on the market. As you say, it doesn't matter how much work I put into something. The customer rates it by quality and price, and the only reference customers have for price is what other, comparable products sell at. So the market dictates the price, not me. That's why I've always disagreed with merchants who calculate the price by the number of hours they worked. An item will only sell if it's good and competitive. Re 60/40 splits - Yes, there are sites who offer the merchant more. Unfortunately, they're usually doing it to attract merchants, who in turn attract customers. In other words, they have very low traffic and are trying to boost their appeal by enticing merchants to their store. But in the end, 50% of a lot of traffic is better than 60-70% of hardly any. mac

But in the end, 50% of a lot of traffic is better than 60-70% of hardly any. Too true. I run my own store, and make about 90% on each product. At Daz I make 50%. I still make at least 5 times as much money at Daz than I do at Shop Wicked after the 50/50 split. People just don't seem to shop at the 'little' stores.

...in all fairness to daz we shouldn't forget they have to cover payroll, office, overhead, etc. That 50% of theirs is not profit. When a small business grows it's creepy to wake up one day and realize, "Damn. We have to do $5 million just to make expenses before we can even think about profits."

At the moment, there now appears to be a possible glitch in the sale prices. RE:Why did the price change? http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=487700#487700

RE:People just don't seem to shop at the 'little' stores. I wonder if CP is taking 50% as well? CP is setup to connect to many different vendors sites. Has any of the small stores checked with CP about a linkup and what % they would take??? Cheers DR

I did a search on this and it seems that the cut is the same as rosity's MP v(according to the only mention I could find of it). The reason I did a search before posting is that I had vague memories of someone saying CP took a larger share, but it must have been my imagination. So I checked before making an idiot of myself with false info. mac