No matter what the mapping, unless people can get the figure than she's relegated to those who already have her, which I think is a bad idea, especially considering the age of the original. Since he's selling Eve V4 as part of his CD I Assume, I have no great hope that Traveler might release her for this project but it never hurts to ask. As evidenced in the credits, she was never the work of only one person.

[Please treat this request as a sidebar...don't want to inturrupt the flow, but gotta ask this] What if I: 1) Didn't care about the genitals 2) Wanted excellent arms/shoulders such as in post 1 (or maybe post 40) 3) Do not need massive numbers of body morphs 4) Wanted the body to take V2 textures 5) wanted Judy's head or something with as many morps as her/EJ Has that combo already been created? (I say V2 textures becuase I am familiar with V2/V3 textures and know nothing of Posette, etc., textures but I am open to learning.] ::::: Opera :::::

As for the Eve that I should pick I'm still confused!

The most reachable one should be the Arduino one...

However I may ask Traveler if the one he made can be restributed for free, I remember the reason for all those Eve's was exactly that anyone could use the files to make his own! :^) it was a free project

Remmaping Eve to V2 is not in my plans for sure, If I had UvMapper 3 that has the relax function maybee I would give it a try but with the tools I have now I must do all that by hand :^S

So my idea for Eve is to keep her map as closest to Posette maps as possible.

However Nea/Eve will not be out before I finish NeaP4 (image)

:^)

Pitklad, that is a beautiful render and a lovely figure. The restrictions on Eve can not be too tight if Arduino is distributing it. My experience is that lately Arduino is easier to get in touch with then Traveler but who knows. My recollection about the EULA for that Morph World 2 disc is that it is very permissive about none commercial re-distribution... some thing along the lines that anything you want to do is okay if there is no charge, it is not a recompilation, and if the material has been modified in some way. The original downloads such as I had required only that the re-distribution be non-commercial but Traveler would have to say what his original intention was. My recollection is that with Arduino's current downloads the only restriction is no commercial re-distribution, does this hold even with Traveler selling his disc. My only fear is Traveler shutting down Arduino's downloads but I can't see that happening. Anyway, what ever you had in mind, pitklad, which isn't clear to me, it would I'm sure be a substantive modification and non-commercial. If I some how did the remapping of Eve with UvMapper Classic I wonder if Traveler or Arduino would permit their .cr2 to be used. According to the restrictions on my downloads it would seem this was permissible non-commercially without consultation but of course ethically and in terms of etiquette getting permission from one or the other is what should be done. I better see what I can do about remapping back to the Posette texture, if I can get that done then I can look into the permission and the hosting. I think this would be much worthwhile myself.

Oh! the one thing not so rational... the soles of the feet should be seperate.

Definitely ask. Neither the .pcf download nore the .cr2 zip that I have mentions redistribution one way or another.

say, can Morph manager transfer any body morphs to NeJa? and if so, whos and how?

• Neja can accept Judy's bodymorphs (except the neck) you can load them with morphmanager from your default Judy that comes with P5, I didn't included them to make the file smaller

• Any figure that is based on a copyrighed mesh can only be distributed as .rte or .pcf

:^)

I just used unGzip to turn my Judy Nude.crz to a Judy Nude.cr2 and there dont seem to be any body morphs! Nothing about small waist or any of that! Am I using the wrong .crz?

Nope original Judy doesn't have many body morphs...

Breast,genital and nail morphs...However I remember someone made a set of BodyMorphs for Judy but I don't remember who :^S

Well we need to figure out who made them bodymorphs! Cant have a great hybrid like this and not even be able to customize the waist and hips a bit! Ill start a new thread with an appropriate title and post any good results here :)

............or I could just search freestuff here first: "P5 Judy Shape of a Woman by Lyrra Full Body Morphs for the Poser5 Nude woman Judy, and some MOR poses. READ the README for licensing." This ringing a bell Pitklad?

or is it this one? "Judy Body Morphs by Dimension3D Seven additional morph targets to shape the body of Judy: small waist, small buttock, large buttock, wide thighs, small thighs, small shins, and small tummy." or were you referring to a retail package?

Not to derail, but there's a product here by Blackhearted and Rio that gives a really close to real looking set of female genitals. They aren't meant for graphic "Hustler" type images, but for a nude, they look FAR better than V3 standard. Go check the store here for "Girl Next Door 2" and you'll see. Needs some development for clothing, but let's be honest - we're talking about Eve because she's got parts to do more nudity and pseudo porn.

Yep, the morphs by Lyrra are the ones I remember!

I also have some plans for an AnAn version with Nea head (when I'll find some time)

• AnAn is a reworked Judy my Yamato with smoother body, various new morphs and also many clothes especialy made for her!

:^)

"Pseudo porn" What pray tell is that genre? "I wonder where those 29,000 Eve figures are hiding?" People download things they never use or use a little and on to the next thing. I don't think that most independent figures really make it, at least not in anywhere near Daz levels of popularity. Of the free figures, I think Maya Doll has the most support. Vicki does set control the Poser Zeitgeist, along with Aiko. People naturally tend to reach for them. Making their base free simply added to their dominance. Despite a few vocal critics, most people seem to think they're nice figures, they get used, they get support which makes them more desirable yada, yada. "It seems that the people who post on the forums for the most part have P6, a cray parallel processing computer..." I hear you. We're becoming the scapegoats of Poserdom though. More and more, I see P6 folks muttering darkly about how the P4/PP people are "holding back" the glorious advancement of Poser because the merchants, craven cowards, are still catering to us with bitmaps instead of procedural textures, etc. Strangely, they don't seem to blame EF for still selling a generation 4 product, or Daz Studio for giving away a product that doesn't support P6 features. Thankfully, Posette and P4, like the old B-52 still soldier on.

Attached Link: Stahratte rebuilds Posette!

All told, I probably have more clothes for Posette than anyone, certainly more than V3 - everything from convent chaste to bordello bawdy. besides, won't Vicki's clothes be stretched out of shape by her enormous, huge, gynormous breasts some people are always complaining about? :-)

Lmckenzie, where do you get Posette clothes? I know of PoserWorld and Ghastly but is there any where else? I have been using Wardrobe Wizard to convert Poser 5 clothes. Have you tried Traveler's Posette to Eve clothes conversion? So far it has worked the couple times I tried it but I can't figure out how given the grouping difference. Stahlratte can't release Posette-23 but he let me test a copy and I found that it work very well with V3 clothes. The way this figure is going though who would want to use it clothed. I was expecting the final result to be like the first image in that thread but the figure is developing to be an utter beauty, maybe the most beautiful figure ever as his sculpting progresses. Anyway, at fist I just wanted to see if hacking Posette to use V3 clothes could be done. Now I am enamored with the new figure Stahl has come up with. Such a realistic tall stature figure. The other bodies I see as most realistic are Judy and Miki but I think this piece by Stahl is more beautiful, it also shows that Miki's poly count is needed to make such great figures. The bending is actually better I think.

I have Posette stuff I've collected obsessively since just before this place became Renderosity. I didn't mean to suggest that there were loads still available but if you search freestuff in reverse I'm sure there are items still out there. There was a thread perhaps a couple of weeks ago discussing where to find P4 items. It listed a number of sites. I think/thought that perhaps you were in that thread. If not, I can probably find it with a little work.

Now, perhaps some of those clothes aren't as advanced as what they're making today (nothing obviously), no body handles, etc. Also I think perhaps there were relatively more things that used transmaps and props to modify existing outfits, not sure. In terms of style, I don't think things have changed much - a leather bustier is a leather bustier :-) Fortunately, my Posettes and Vickis seem to prefer to be nude much of the time so it's all good.

If you have a lot of V3 clothing then being able to use it is a boon. Most of my stuff is probably Posette ot V2 though. I have things like the old pre-commercial PoserWorld/FairyWoods items etc. I've never even opened, far too much to ever use, but I keep downloading. It's an addiction, albeit a relatively harmless one. "Have you tried Traveler's Posette to Eve clothes conversion?" Haven't used it in years so your experience is more recent/relevant than mine I'm afraid.

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I think I started that thread as part of my whole Posette obsession but the results were weak at least in relation to helping me. I did hope it would help others though. The only sites anyone really came up with were the same as what I have... Poser World, Ghastly, Morphology, a couple Japanese sites... in the end not much stuff beyond Poser World. Mainly bustiers, teddies, stockings, othe boudoir and fetish stuff. I am converting clothes like blouses and nice jeans as I go. Was just curious I guess. Like I said, so far the Traveler style conversion from Posette to Eve have worked okay. Last I checked Eve wasn't supported by PhilC's Wardrobe Wizzard. If it seemed more than a half dozen of us use Eve then I would ask him to have a go of it if he was willing. I like to collect things too... virtual stuff feeds an aquisitiveness I don't actually have in the real world :) An absurd form of consumption. I have mentioned here before Philip K. Dick's "In the Days of Perky Pat". I make my renders, I post-work them, I delete them. In real world people yell at you when you toss your paintings but on the machine you can do it with one click. Drawings in the sand.

Perhaps you're part Navajo :-) Most of my renders are virtual. I see something, get an image it could be used in, download it and that's as far as it goes. Virtual renders are lightening fast though and take up no disk space.

v2? They look like Double Ds to me. My compliments.

And she is a real beauty!!!
I didn't knew that Tormentor!

However I'm still confused!

Can someone collect all the existing Eves at this time with links to them? so as to make a conclusion!

lmckenzie, LOL. That is a fast render engine. I can dig it! pitklad, I'll try to link the Eve's later today. I have always thought the Eve by Arduino and the Latex V2 by Arduino where the most popular since they are always on page 1 and page 2 of Most Wanted in Free Stuff. I was hoping this thread would clarify. I used the SENO New Eve 4 because of the maping and I have some Posette breast morphs I like and I use the Traveler EvolutionEve4 I think it is called for the mapping and the terrific body morphs. I am begining to think that there is no standard Eve.

An other question!
Can Arduino Eve take Traveler's Eves morphs?

Tormentor, man that is a hot figure! pitklad, the geometry is the same on all the Eves but the SENO New Eves which have the Posette chest grouping. All the Arduino Eves take the Traveler morphs. The difference between the different Eve's is strictly the UV mapping. Even the morphs sets seem pretty consistent. All the eves also take the Posette head morphs. I prefer the EvolutionEve4 mapping which is standard Posette except the eyes, lashes and labia. I think Arduino's figures all have different maps between them with the genitals mapped in different ways and the nipples moved off the chest to other areas, different eye mapping, etc. The main problem with Arduino's mapping is that aside from not being compatable with Posette textures without editing, the genital material is too large, extending over the outer labia and the whole mons making the matching to the hips very difficult, especially given the shift in scale. One can use the EvolutionEve 4 with any Posette texture although the eyes, lashes and labia have their own maps. I have made a version of Eve where the eyes and lashes are standard Posette and the only difference is that the inner labia map to a blank region of the Posette texture which means that with one labia texture you could use any Posette texture or simply use diffuse color for the linner labia which is what I do. Some of my Posette textures have wonderful pore detail and detail in the eyes. Summary: The only difference between the different Eves other than New Eves by SENO is the mapping of the genitals, eyes and lashes, and in the case of Arduino, the feet and nipples, the mesh is the same between them.

Attached Link: Eve .uvs to standard Posette

Attached Link: http://posetteforever.com

-Head like Pitklad's Nea (with Nostrils etc.)
-Body like Arduino's Eve
-Texture mapping for V3

The real problem with Arduino's Eve is that the dresses made for the original Posette don't conform exactly on her, so it was a pain to pose them, expecially on Posy's "exuberant" curves... But now with the dynamic dresses it's no more a problem because one can easily fit dresses made for different models on Posette, the Posy's dress in the picture above is a model made for Judy if I'm not wrong... For the rest is not a big problem to export shoes as obj and parent them to the feet, or use hair for a different model (the hair in the picture above is for V3 if I remember well).

I'm not interested in the genital thing because I don't make pictures showing genitals.

I really like Posettes (if not Posetteforever wouldn't exist...) and about the family of modified models my humble opinion is that all is needed are the models
-Original P4woman
-Pitklad's Nea
-Arduino's Eve (V1 or V2)
to have fun.
I think to have tested all the models based on Posette and these two are the best. An enanchement would be a study on the joints, the JPconverter made a lot but it's not enough...

I don't use "chimera" models like the one made with Judy's or V3's head and Posette's body simply because I like the original shape, but they are a way to keep Posette alive and to preserve her :)
Sorry for my poor english...

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Your English is excellent Tormentor and thank you for all your work on keeping Posette alive and well. As for which Eve, where, when, what, etc., I think we've reached the limits of our collective knowledge/confusion. On the availibility especially, I still think Traveler is probably the best resource. On who's got the rights to what, etc. I don't know. I'm not going to dig up EV1 or Azura and go trawling through an ambiguous readme only to have no more definitive answer for the effort. AFAIK, he's a decent guy and would probably give you the straight dope. Also, I'm not even sure any of the other patriarchs are still around. Anyone heard from Torino or HellBorn lately, and I never even heard of NdYVO4. You could also ask Seno of course but I think Traveler may be the closest to Eve's father still actively around. I woukld think that the morphs should be pretty consistent after all, whatever her name, she is just 'Posette with a P.' Yes, that wonderful double entendre just occured to me and no need to thank me for sharing it with you.

There are plenty of resources for Posette and Dork et al. If you look for them. Since its inception members of Posetteforever have been gathering and sharing links to many resorces for these model. It has become a major repository of links to items for these models. The information was spread through various topics in various forums, Melamkish has taken on the task of searching through the forums to locate the links, verify them and gather them together on into a master list of links to all things Posette and to add new links and sites as they are made known to him.

There are many items in its own freestuff section, that are not available elsewhere. The sad fact is that with every passing day, more Posette items are going away. For this reason, at Posetteforever we have a project to help bring back items that are no longer otherwise available for these model. The results of this project is beginning to appear in the freestuff section of the site. Including some morphs that have not been on-line for some time and some poser 3 and poser 4 Posette character that have not been available for several years.

Here are links to some of the works in my gallery that feature various Posettes. The resouces used in these image, other than their hair, were shipped with Poser, or from the freestuff of Posetteforver and some items from Renderosity or created by individuals who have posted messages in this thread.

And we can not forget the poor Dork, can we? He has a reputation for not looking manly. Well would you like to say that to this chap? Everything in this scene other than his hair was shipped with Poser or is available at Posetteforever.

So where have all the missing Eve's and Posette gone? Look and you will see more of them in the galleries than you may have expected to see. Posettes are the same as all the other models including V3, M3, SP3 etc. They are not very useful until some ont takes the time and makes the effort to make them something worth while.

Waving to Posy, and to all members of Posetteforever who has posted in or read this thread. PangorMessage edited on: 03/21/2006 17:32

Message edited on: 03/21/2006 17:34

Pangor I couldn't agree more with you!

Tormentor thank you so much for loving Posette,I'm sure PosetteForever is a reason for others to love her too!

Momodot is this file for the Treveler Eve?

I agree that it's better to keep Eve on an existing Texture Tamplate to make her use easier...

Maybee nails could be moved since on this mapping they don't have a seperate space at all!

Great news Pangor!

Does anyone use Azura? What do you think of it? The body is standard Eve 4 and the head hi-res? For a long time I have been vasilating about getting the Morph World 2 disc. All the content I had from that time, even my own pretty big Poser 3/4 website are gone now. I had a lame old 20Mb hardrive then and my floppies were lost to a basement flood. I feel like maybe I should have a historical record of Traveler's work from then. The disc is so expensive, though, really really hard on my budget. More than that, I am worried that there is so much there that I will find it a productivity sinkhole, spinning lotsa morph dials when I should be using magnets. Brings up this whole issue of how to make Poser work your own when you are so indebted to other people's work. I haven't figured out what to do... any number of times I have had my mouse hovering over the "process order" button and then I bail out. Going over the disc inventory list I noticed that for all the hundreds of feature shaping morphs there really isn't much in the way of facial expressions. That is what I had been working on last month until I got waylaid... I was doing morphs instead of face poses because of the non-standard morphs and magnets I was using. I wonder though in regards to the disc if too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. It is just that from my memory of back 5-6 years ago the morphs were exceptional... better than the same morphs by me (for sure) or by anyone else. Anyway, I guess I am just musing out loud in this post...

I thought I remembered Azura being just a remapping to give you a larger face texture to work with but I see a reference to a high res head in the readme for an add-on character for her. If that means "high res" geometry then she'd be stuck with only her own unique morphs. There are no readmes in any of the other Azura files I have. I'd say she's fine for your personal jollies but otherwise just a distraction. We don't need yet another figure and yet another mapping thrown into an already confusing situation IMO. For a Posette body with a higher res head, go with one of the hybrids. As for the CD, I don't remember how much it was but free is just about too expensive for me at the moment so I can sympathize. Me, I'm no artist so I don't have any angst about whether I created a face with someone's morph or a magnet or whatever. If the end result pleases me, I'm happy. I'd say wait and see what kinds of goodies pop up at PosetteForever. I hate to keep banging of talk to Traveler but who knows, given your enthusiasm, he might cut you a discount of the CD. I don't know if he's seen this thread or how aware he is of the new enthusiasm for Posette cropping up. Maybe he would at least allow Eve V4 to be distributed for a limited time or something. I have no idea, I'm just throwing things out. I've only dealt with him once personally but he seemed like, as we say down home, a pretty good old boy. Anyway, unless you can put Posette's ass on the corner and make some cash, I wouldn't spend money you can't afford on her. As someone once said, "It's hard to forget a girl when you buy her a gift on time."

She uses Eve4 (Trevellers) body and a very high resolution head, the version I have has only the basic P4 head morphs...

Momodot that Uvs doesn't work on my Eve4 :^( are you sure it isn't for the Arduino version? I think his version has a reworked hip so the uvs won't work on Eve4...

Thanks, lmckenzie. Hmmm. Pitklad, I am pretty sure I used Traveler's Eve so what I did in changing the lash and eye geometry must be the problem. I guess it would only work as a .pfc and I would need to clear that with Traveler. I once asked Traver for a break on the disc a while back but didn't hear from him on it. It is so we weird to see so so much work for a figure that is kinda come and gone. The disc has a whole bunch Azura "base morphs" these were morphs I suggested to Eric way back when that handled facial feature in a systamatic way: "nose x-scale, nose x-tran, nose x-rot, nose y-scale, nose y-tran, nose y-rot, etc." But I am worried that having so much new stuff to play with will prevent me from getting real work done. I just rember Traveler's facial morphs being so good, but I don't have any material going back to that time. That Azura wire frame certainly is high res. I think what more often is a problem for me is smoothing the underside of the breast in post-work.

pitklad, I just checked. The .uvs does not work because of the change in eye geometry. The mapping would go along with a .pcf encoded geometry though. You would be using a .pcf on your Nea/Eve anyway. For an interesting Dork morph check Stahlratte's post #11 at http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12356&Form.ShowMessage=2624804

I know I should have many/most of the morphs he used to have on the site but I don't know which they are, I have several with names that par prefixed with 'p4fem,' but no readme only the .obj files. I did find one p4femagekit with a readme that says in part: Feel free to use these morphs/textures/whatever for any Personal or Commercial Renders that you want to. You may also use them to make personal or FREE characters. Under no circumstances, either as is or as a part of a spawned or combined morph target can they be sold as part of a character. Don't even bother to ask... the answer is no. Now I'd really like a couple of old Posettes by my talent for creating is zero. Sounds to me though like I could take a stab at it and pass her on to other people who could make changes and send her back to me as long as everything stays free. Capiche?

I thought I just found a big collection of P4 Nude Man morphs on a floppy but once I loaded them I recognized they were mine from my old website when I was using morph naming conventions and not Traveler's at all. I also I checked and the nomenclature is different from Travelers. I have not dug up female stuff beyond what is on my morf woman .cr2, Linlin, Raran, and what Stahlratte has given us and just a couple by Bushi. On some old Traveler material I did find, and the licensing of his website it seems Traveler permitted the non-profit distribution of morph characters created from his morphs if his original morphs could not be extracted from the new morphs. You would have to check your material to see if that is the case there. I think sending a character for collaborative work and having it sent back with the other person deleting it from their drive should certainly be permissible morally I think. Distributing the final? I think one of us needs to write Eric. I used to be friendly with him but now I am shy to write him since whatever t is that happened in 2000-2001 even though I had nothing to do with it. I don't know, I guess I could just send him a link to this thread and see if he responds?

That's sounds like a good idea!

As for the way my Nea/Eve will be available it won't need encoding if you have NeaP4. Why?

NeaP4 will be just a head that will load to a default Posette .cr2 using geometry switcing just for the head and everything else will be pure posette geometry

So the Eve version will just be another .cr2 that will have the same switch to the head to change to NeaP4! No extra decoding if you already have NeaP4 (NeaP4 will be encoded to posette of course)

:^)

This is a great way to the distribute Nea figures! Very clever. Thank you for making these available when they are done.

I don't know why he would say you can create a free character if you couldn't distribute it but maybe I'm confused here. I have no idea what happened in 2000-2001 that doesn't have to do with shady elections or planes flying into buildings. In my best Dr. Leonard McCoy voice, "Get ahold of yourself man!" :-) Seriously, you guys know what you need/want from him. The worst he can do is tell you to go piss up a rope. Otherwise, best to forget his material. Put it out of your mind and work with the other items that are available.

Attached Link: http://www.purr3d.net/Eve/