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Subject: New Galleries are here!!!


Dinhi ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:04 PM

I have to wonder....folks I work in process redesign and I can't begin to tell you how many times I have had to redesign a process and then listen to all the "Hey!'s" because they didn't want to change.  Change happens, just like our bodies as we age man, nothing much we can do about most of it, but we do have control of some of it!

Change comes with challenges, the worst of  those challenges is in grasping critical feedback alongside those that have nothing but negative to say.  If the new site causes you issues, post em!  Be as comprehensive as you can.  Everything you can give back based on this new design, will enable the developers to create a more efficient space!  New things have their issues, it's up to us to give the feedback necessary for the right fixes.

It's all good.... (=

Namaste...it's universal  [ =


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:09 PM

Thank you Dinhi:)

 

Lyne, please understand that we are still working on converting the entire site and it will take some time. We are trying to address every question, comment, etc so please give us that tiime.

You can change your avatar by going to MY OPTIONS in the forums for now.

Which gallery options are you referring to, let me know more details and I will help.

You were very upset with the Marketplace change and the forums change but we worked out the signficant bugs there and we will here as well, please just give us that time. Things just went live with the galleries today.

 

Thanks


Incarnadine ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:21 PM · edited Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:21 PM

Despite turning the avatar flag off in My Options, they are still there against the comments. Got that ultra white sorted (PJF's CSS) so everything else now is clean-up IMO!

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!


cherokee69 ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:24 PM

Stacey,

In the gallery "My Options" there is an option to "Show other users's avatars?". If you uncheck that, it does noting and still shows avatars.


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:24 PM

Incarnadine,

 

The Gallery profile isn't updating yet because of the profile info all needing to be converted over, should happen in a week or so.. For now you have to use the MY OPTIONS link in the Forums but I think you can't turn it off for the galleries and keep if for forums. I think it has to be all or nothing for now:)


anitalee ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:48 PM

No, in the gallery when people comment their is an image next to their name.  How do I put my image in?  I looked all over.

 

Thanks

Anita


StaceyG ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:51 PM

That is an Avatar. If you upload one, it will be here when you post in the forums (as mine is) and in comments in the galleries. You go to MY OPTIONS in the forums and upload your avatar there

 

 

Thanks


dlfurman ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:54 PM

One backward step needed.

From the old old gallery setup I preferred if looking at an image on the images actual page (not the collective thumbnail page) the ability to go to the previous or next  image FROM the image page.

Yes, this did BYPASS the thumbnails. Some artists actually used the thumnails to get users to view the image, which often times had nothing to do with the thumbnail or was a "Gotcha!" type thing.

We had the now old gallery where Click Thumnall->New window with Image, Click Image->Close new Image window, back to Thumbnail page. While I did not like it (extra clicks!) I dealt with it.

Now we have new new galleries. Can we have the old old image viewing way (Viewing Current Image, with options to goto previous or forward to next image, up to current gallery thumbnail page.) back please? 

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anitalee ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 9:57 PM

Well, I went to my options in the forum and could find no place for an avitar.  Their was a lin that said click here to edit avitar but their was no avitar on the other page.  But going to my profile from here I was able to put one in.  Good to know that works for both.

Thanks

Anita

 


stonemason ( ) posted Tue, 13 June 2006 at 10:44 PM

I think it's a mess..this gallery now feels very un-inviting & cluttered

what happend to the image quality?.now the viewer has to click an extra time to view the image as I intend it to be viewed(without such awful compression)

why bother with that?..what do you need a popup window for?

were any artists consulted about how they might like their art presented?..or is this entirely decided by the programmers & rosity staff...I would have thought a dedicated thread discussing what changes we might like to see would be nice..

cya

Cg Society Portfolio


Giolon ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:20 AM

Overall I think the new galleries are HUGE step in the right direction, but the main thing that's downright terrible:

The shrinkage of images to a max of 700px wide when viewing the image page.  The fact that there is a "Zoom In" option does not cut it, because the first thing that people see is the crappy, compressed, aliased image.  This is not representative of our works, and in fact I received some negative comments today and had to explain that it was the website's work not mine.  Once I explained how to view the image properly (by clicking on it or clicking the "Zoom In" button) the negative comments were rescinded.  However, we shouldn't have to do that in the first place.  Display images at their uploaded resolution.

Still, there's lots of good, the format, the CSS customization (though I'd like to put the menu back on the left where I used to have it), the advanced gallery stats, and the comment boxes.  I can tell a lot of hardwork went into this and the Rendo folks should be commended for it.  Once they take care of all the bugs, there's no doubt that this will continue to be the best 3D art community that I've seen on the 'net!

¤~Giolon~¤

¤~ RadiantCG ~¤~ My Renderosity Gallery ~¤


Kabuki-chan ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 2:18 AM

Wow - usually I am really quite here on the forum, and to be honest... I expected a mess. But in my oppinion the new gallery is really nice. And yes, I like the zoom option. Working at diffrent Workstations I constantly have to switch between the screen resolutions. And the format fits into all ^.^ And to click or not to click ... sometimes I don't even want to see some images in full detail :) But what I am still kind of missing is an option to reply at comments directly. I know, it's a mess to code and program it but THAT would be a really huge improvement imho.


mccoyneil ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 3:54 AM

Admittedly, I'm mostly a browser, so viewing 'What's New" is mostly what I do
at Renderosity.

The new layout looks nice.

Is it possible to re-include a Next_Page button - the page numbers are rather small
to click on?

Also, can the artist name be restored at the bottom of the "zoomed" picture - I like to zoom a page-full of thumbnails at once?


LadyLisa ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 3:58 AM

    This is going to take some getting use to.....  I like some of the features but dont like that the "Favorite Artist and Favorite Images" are not on my first page of my homepage...It was a way of letting my favorite artist that I do see them as my favorites.

    I dont like that the favorite Merchents get priority here.......makes it seem so unpersonal and more commercial.

   I think that you are going to grustrate alot of people with them having to change the css style and for not giving better instructions on how to load an avatar.  Some people dont even come to the forums they stay in galleries most of time..........How are they going to find out that you have to upload the avatars in the forum options only??

              Even though some of the changes ae nice....I think the way you went with how you did it,  is going to cause you more headaches then you think.

               Oh ........and it would have been nice if you would have let us know on the front page alot sooner that you were working on the galleries.

 

                                                                                LadyLisa

 

 

 


LadyLisa ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 4:33 AM

:b_stunned:   Also one more thing.......     I dont like that even after I am logged into Renderosity I have to relogin when I go to the galleries.........Then when I relogin it tells me that my info is wrong and I have to correct my errors........then when I go relogin with the same information it finally shows me logged in......    Frustrating.

 

 


rockets ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 4:58 AM

I just found a cool feature.  If you go to the top and click on "my gallery"  it takes you to your own gallery...scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll see your all time statistics!

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!


rockets ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 5:00 AM

What are "Art Charts"?

My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice!


mccoyneil ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 5:12 AM

Now when a link sends me between the subdomains market.renderosity.com  &
excalibur.renderosity.com  &  www.renderosity.com, I have to log in separately for each the first time I'm sent to each.

Does this happen to anyone else? [ Using both IE7 Beta and Firefox 1.5.0.4 ]


bbratche ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 5:15 AM

The whole thing is that Renderosity use to be about art... now it's about Bondware and their technology.  The viewing and search in the galleries is aweful... and I mean aweful... how is this an improvement.... really I'd like to know? When I searched for my own art... the images were in no order at all... makes it hard to read the comic I've been posting!  I'm going to stick it out to complete the series and see how it goes... but if I were a newbie... I'd be going back to 3D Commune or another site that is more user friendly.

Yeah I know another rant... BRING BACK OUR OLD OSITY.... PLEASE!  And BTW dump Bondware and their censorship polices while you are at it:)


BAR-CODE ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 5:27 AM

First i wanna say "Stacey for president for what ever country you like".. just for repleying to almost all the comments about the new gallery.

Girl your fingers must be black and blue from typing by now :}

So now here this , i did not read all the previous comment "im not stacey" so maybe some things are already said.

1st my gallery is not my gallery anymore but just some of my last images and favorites..

Make MY gallery just my gallery leave all the other thing out of it useless and take server power and speed from the site.

And one thing you just have to get out of there is "my last Viewed" we are not " morons" we know what we have seen.

That option take up half of my screen, and do you people realy thing im gonna look at those over and over again ?

AND i dont know if you give the my gallery link to others .. the my last viewed images are shown too ?

If that is the case, that visitors of "my" gallery can see wich image I have last viewed .. its a violation of privacy. REMEBER I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS THE CASE!! i can check it out the links are not working yet.

Why do i mention this.. well lets say somebody is checking all the nudes and violence images..

You can be sure he want others to know about that do you.

The search option in gallery's have a flaw with the NEXT page the option is only on the top and not at the bottom of the page" like all the other page do have".

When searching it leaves out a lot of Hits in his calculation ... i checked with my own name and it leave out a lot of images that match over 80% but there not shown.

When viewing a image the "preview" is ugly .. the full view option by clicking in the image work only one way.. should be both ways so clicking in the full view image again should bring you back to the "preview".

I dont get a Ebot to tell me there is a comment for my Image. " now personaly i dont get anything anymore" ...

I dont have any idea what the subriction to gallery's is about ? i clicked my favo programs but i dont know what it does.

BUT what i do like is that there is NO view count anymore in the gallery at the main gallery pages.

I like it and realy hope it stays that way.

No people have to look at the tumbs to realy see whats there.. i know lots of people just checked a image because many others did.

I like the bigger amount of image per page.

The avatars on the coments "makes it just a bit more personal" in a strabge way.

I realy like the new 5 star rating .. the other was alway excellent or nothing 99% of the time.

The layout its self looks great and i can only hope that the SPEED BOOST is here soon because

is slower that ever before and im using a 20GB connection or a 8GB connection

Make it happen R'O and make us Happy

Thnx for readying this and maybe i'll get a repley too :}

Chris

PS i use the wordt Moron not to offend anybody but to be honnest i dont know a other wordt for it.

I dont have a attitude agains anybody and im not calling anybody names .

on the other hand i like to see others write all of this in Dutch and see if you know all the words :}

 

IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT BAR-CODE SENT A  PM to 26FAHRENHEIT  "same person"

Chris

 


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KarenJ ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 5:35 AM

"My last viewed images" is only visible to you, not to other members.

Ebots have been a problem for the last week or so and are being investigated.

The gallery "subscription" I think should send you an ebot every time an image is uploaded to that section. I wouldn't recommend selecting it for Poser unless you want your inbox to explode ;-)

The speed issue is not related to the gallery conversion but is apparently due to server issues which are being worked out. So cross fingers the gallery will be quicker very soon :-)


"you are terrifying
and strange and beautiful
something not everyone knows how to love." - Warsan Shire


bbratche ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 5:40 AM

Hey Karen... thanks for the info:)  Also you are not at all what I pictured you... you are a real cutie and have a wonderful smile:) I just wanted to say something nice this time:)


lemur01 ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 6:21 AM

OMG... I... I... actually like the new galleries..................... wow.

"And must I now begin to doubt,

Who never doubted all those years?

My heart is stone and still it trembles

The world I have known is lost in shadows..."


Doc000 ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 7:39 AM

Please, for crying out loud, put the Comments/Views count back under the thumbnails!  Forcing me to go my gallery and click my own images just to see the number of hits is stupid.  I know some people don't want the views count there, so at least enable it when you view an artist's specific gallery.  Better yet, make the view/comment counts an option that people can toggle on and off...everyone would be happy that way.

And stop resizing the images.  I don't want my images resized and force people to make an extra click just to see my work the way I want it presented.  If I wanted my images to fit a specific screen size, I'd resize it myself before I uploaded so that it doesn't get butchered by automatic software.

I'm very disappointed in these new galleries.


oliveramberg ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 9:08 AM

I agree with Stonemason a 100%. The new gallery is not supporting the artists but became a showcase for bondware. The shrinked images look bad and I don't like the extra click I have to make.


cliff-dweller ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 9:57 AM

It looks like the view count & # comments pops up if you hover the mouse over the thumbs...don't know if it did that yesterday...

Check out my full gallery at Cliff-Dweller Artworks


bbratche ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 10:21 AM

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's become Bonderosity here:(  Bondware and it's policies has ruined this one great art community... IMHO. I see less and less of the old timers posting here... and the overall quality of work has declined... mainly fu-fu fluff!  The amount of images I view and save are down to about 5% of what I did when I first came here. I'm sorry to rant... but I hate to see something I really love slowly die....

Last word from me...


Doc000 ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 11:18 AM

Yeah, it looks like the views and comment counts show up if you hover over the thumbnails now.  It's not as good as it was, but at least a page of thumbnails in my gallery isn't as useless.  Thanks to whoever coded that.

Now, just stop the software from resizing the images and the new galleries might achieve adequate status.


bbratche ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 12:26 PM

Ok I know I said last word but... now you no longer get a notice when someone leaves you a comment... there isn't even that option in the profile anymore!!!! So if I want to see any comments, I have to search for my own images... This totally is a screw up with the new galleries... why bother????

Lets see... almost total censorship... a unreasonable TOS... now galleries that are horrible to even view... terrible messaging system compared to the previous... and you don't know if people even are viewing or commenting on your work without going back to check!!!

I really don't see the improvement... or the point anymore... can someone explain anything good here...

Sorry but this.... ah forget it!


BAR-CODE ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 12:38 PM

Karen1573 wrote:

The speed issue is not related to the gallery conversion but is apparently due to server issues which are being worked out. So cross fingers the gallery will be quicker very soon :-)

Yeah And thats where this site screwed up ... fix ONE thing at the time... the "new" site mail is not working 100%

The servers are NOT working 100%

The Forums are not working 100%

The Ebots are Not working 100%...

Well lets start something new thats NOT working 100%....  the gallery's

NO !! fix all of ONE item  before start to mess up something new...

 

Its starting to look that Renderosity is becomming the TEST site for Bondware !

Im afriad this is gonna cost R'o a lot of active members.

I realy hope it gets better very fast...

Chris 

 

IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT BAR-CODE SENT A  PM to 26FAHRENHEIT  "same person"

Chris

 


My Free Stuff



williamsn ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 12:48 PM

FYI, the galleries are a R'osity-only module. Bondware will not be reselling it to any other parties. So, no, R'osity is not the test site for Bondware. We have another site we test on. However, you simply CANNOT anticipate EVERY SINGLE LITTLE problem until you have 1,800 people online at one time and those LITTLE problems become very BIG problems very QUICKLY. Please try to understand that. N

-Nicholas


svdl ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:05 PM

As it is now, the new galleries are no improvement over the old ones. Here's a short list (probably incomplete) of functionality that has been lost: while uploading:

  • formatting the text to upload. Any HTML gets stripped off, so even the rudimentary formatting that was possible in the previous galleries is gone.
    Why not use FCK Editor for the Notes upload section? That way a poem comes across as intended, a story can have proper captions, italics and so on.
  • crediting merchants. The previous way, a set of dropdowns, had the definite advantage of being able to use keyboard shortcuts. Now I have to scroll up and down the list for every merchant I want to credit. Anyone remember carpal tunnel syndrome?
  • still missing: a decent way to credit freebie providers. I know, I know, you can't make bucks off freebies, but I'd really love to see the 'merchants' * "Freestuff"  and "Other"* in the list of merchants.
  • still missing: a decent way to indicate what apps have been used to create the image. Like most artists I use more than one application to get the final result, so like most artists I always wonder what gallery to post to.
  • still missing: indicating more than one genre. Case in point: most of my work involves a continuing fantasy story. What genre? Fantasy or Story/Sequential?

The new keywords may help to indicate the applications and genres, but a couple of checklists would have been much more user friendly.

As for the galleries themselves:

  • I sorely miss the Next/Previous links. Browsing through an artists gallery, or through a search result, using Next/Previous was easy, fast, and it saved quite a few mouse clicks. Please reinstate that functionality.
  • I definitely DO NOT like the resizing of the images. Too much quality loss, and the fixed format does not take into account that higher resolution screens like 1280x1024, 1600x900 or even more are getting more common everyday. User options to select whether you want to see large images resized to a predefined screen size, or to view them as uploaded would be so much better. Take a look at how the Renderotica gallery software works if you want to know how it should be done.
  • The inability to enter single line breaks in comments is more than a little frustrating. Constructive criticism is rendered unreadable since it cannot be separated into logical paragraphs. I do not ask for a full fledged colorful editor, the HTML possibilities of the comment box have been abused in the past, I just want simple line breaks.
  • Multiple page comments - what's the use? Only more clicks. Keep them on a single page, please. Even better, make single page/multiple page a user option.
  • E-bots. They have been mentioned before, but I really miss the ebots when one of my favorite artists uploads a new image, and I also miss the ebot when someone comments on one of my images. As far as I'm concerned, this bug is priority #1 on the fix list.

There are two positive things to report:

  • Voting is gone. I consider this a good thing. Voting has been controversial for I don't know how long, removing the voting option is probably the cleanest solution
  • And the changeover was pretty fast. I expected a downtime of at least the announced 12 to 14 hours, and it has been much, much quicker.

Fix these teething problems, and the new galleries will indeed be an improvement. As they are now, they're worse than before.

The pen is mightier than the sword. But if you literally want to have some impact, use a typewriter

My gallery   My freestuff


Giolon ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:17 PM · edited Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:17 PM

Quote - svdl I definitely DO NOT like the resizing of the images. Too much quality loss, and the fixed format does not take into account that higher resolution screens like 1280x1024, 1600x900 or even more are getting more common everyday. User options to select whether you want to see large images resized to a predefined screen size, or to view them as uploaded would be so much better. Take a look at how the Renderotica gallery software works if you want to know how it should be done.

That is an absolutely fantastic idea, svdl.  The way that Renderotica does it is pretty much perfect, IMO.  The option is in plain sight and visible so that people will see it, and it lets you know that the images you're looking at may have been shrunk (just as poorly over there as they are here I might add) to fit the screen.  This makes the option to turn it on or off available and informative.

¤~Giolon~¤

¤~ RadiantCG ~¤~ My Renderosity Gallery ~¤


BAR-CODE ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:28 PM

However, you simply CANNOT anticipate EVERY SINGLE LITTLE problem until you have 1,800 people online at one time and those LITTLE problems become very BIG problems very QUICKLY.

Please try to understand that.

Please understand this .... you should not have started a new project before the last one is ready for 100%.

Im not talking about making everybody happy with the new layout or funtions but what you offer MUST work 100% before starting something new.

 

I and now i speak personaly dont get any  Ebot any more ... not a comment ebot not a new topic ebot not nothing.. and every time is mention this i hear/read wel after the new upgrade we fix it etc etc ...

That stinks a little does it not... make something work and then go further not make it  work 70%and see what happens.

As far is i can count now there are at least 4 key elements of site "units" are not working 100% not even for 70%.

New Ebots Not working 100%

New site mail not working 100%

New forums Not working 100%

New gallery not working 100%

That will cost them members and member are costumers so it will cost them income...

Dont think that we because we are art freaks we dont have a clue about servers or how things work in this field of work .. a lot of us do...

To give you a idea for 8 months now i see all kind of server errors on this site..thats a total no no.

And every time some one "complains" about it its never ever R'o fault ... but do you understand that when some one try to login to this site to look for something new to buy and he cant login time after time he will take his money elsewere.... thats money down the drain for R'o

Lot of people check the gallery's to see the item they wanna buy "product gallery" or other memeber using that product to see how it looks in many ways. before spending the ca$h..

You cant when the site is a mess ... so dont complain about us having no patience we are having more patience then the programers deserve so far..

And to your repley, a little problem X 1800 =  A BIG PROBLEM ...

Chris

 

 

 

IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT BAR-CODE SENT A  PM to 26FAHRENHEIT  "same person"

Chris

 


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StaceyG ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:36 PM

Bar,

 

I know these are frustrating times for everyone, including us (staff) but we are working hard to make things the best they can be. Please understand that NO MATTER what you do to prepare it is impossible to gauge everything beforehand. 


bbratche ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 1:36 PM

yeah what Bar-Code said! Now I had an image of mine deleted when I was viewing it to see comments... damn this is getting worse by the minute.... aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg! I want "MY" Renderosity back not this!


bbratche ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 3:26 PM

Well I do like the "My Gallery" Changes... nice info:) See I do like change that is good:) Not being notified of my favorite Artist loading something or that someone has commented on my work makes it all seem pointless to some degree to even post:( Fix that and the size issues in the gallery and I can live with the rest:)

I do thank everyone at osity for the hard work you do... I really do appreciated eventhough it may not always seem like it:)

Thanks


StaceyG ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 3:34 PM

Thank you bbratche, we will keep making adjustments I promise:)


BAR-CODE ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 4:09 PM

Stacey wrote:

Please understand that NO MATTER what you do to prepare it is impossible to gauge everything beforehand.  >>

Im not talking about little things im talking about not finishing the work until is working 100%

and starting something new.

No matter what  your problems are when you finish the job compleet for 100% everybody will understand that things can go wrong.

But leaving a trail of unfinished jobs behinde while going into a new one thats just plain mismanagement from the programming department.

This site and what ever you think is by and for its members... and the way this is going is just the way to lose members and mechants alike.

And i have great respect for you stacey, you get 90% of all the partypoopers on your dish.

You got to deal with all of us not so happy campers here at R,o

I know im a bit frustrated by all of this .. i get members with questions about my freebee's angry

Because im not responding to there IM or site mails...

Im not getting them for weeks now and that kind of site error should have being fixed before starting up this gallery upgrade makeover whatever you like to name it.

I think R,o should have thinked twice before doing this gallery thing the gallery are the MOST importand part of this site... 

I wonder if any artist in what rank " profesional or hobbyist" is asked what he/she like to see in a new gallery.

My fun about the site is getting below zero fast.. and i do like this site a lot..just have to be a site again that workes

 

Greetings from holland

Chris

 

IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT BAR-CODE SENT A  PM to 26FAHRENHEIT  "same person"

Chris

 


My Free Stuff



svdl ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 4:15 PM

History keeps repeating itself.

As with the forums, there has been no serious attempt to collect information from the end users. While it is impossible to gauge everything beforehand, many problems and complaints could have been prevented by just asking us, the members.

It could have been so easy. A frontpage article, a sticky in the forums, outlining the proposed changes to the galleries, and asking for user input. While not every suggestion could have been implemented - probably there would have been contradictory ideas - this input would have given the staff and programmers a much clearer vision of when the new galleries were ready to roll out.

There would have been a few problems, of course. But not as much as there are now. Basic, essential functionality would not have been forgotten. As it is now, we have a gallery system that  should be described as an early alpha version, not a final beta or release candidate.

As with the forums, Bondware/Renderosity has missed a perfect opportunity to create a good product. As with the forums, many things will have to be patched and missing functionality will have to be stuck on somehow, which will compromise the basic software design, making the system slower, less stable and less maintainable.

Good software design starts with specifying functionality in cooperation with the end users.

The pen is mightier than the sword. But if you literally want to have some impact, use a typewriter

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StaceyG ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 4:21 PM

Not to be harsh or anything at all Bar but just to state some things here. First off the Site mail is working great,  I'm not sure what issue you are still having with it as I think you and I conversed through site mail, LOL.. But let me know and I'll help you resolve it but it is working as designed and although its "different" its functioning great.  The forums, Marketplace and Gallery as well as the rest of the site will be ongoing for quite some time. See we have to get the entire site over to  PHP and once that is done, we can begin to modify, add features, etc. But its important for us to keep moving on getting all of the pieces over here.   The forums work great (we're talking, aren't we, LOL) they are different than the previous forums yes so not every feature is coming back..I mean change is change... so they are working as designed with the exception of the ebots. Which I explained to you in Site mail what the problem was and that it would get resolved as soon as the programmers can get to it. The Marketplace is really good now..different so again not all features are going to be the same. We will always continue to improve, enhance etc.

Keep in mind also that we do a Community Survey every year and the most common wishes on the Survey for future changes ,we have implemented so we do listen. And also just see that in the forums, marketplace and now the galleries we do adjust/modify etc on what we can when the Community lets us know.

We are all working very hard to bring the Community the best 3D art site out there but you know Rome wasn't built in a day, LOL..

Really I understand that it gets frustrating but we are all doing what we can as fast as we can, k?


BAR-CODE ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 4:26 PM

Mmm okay...im not shure whats going on but since about 1 minute I can't go to other forums anymore. my layout is completly different and totaly strange.

I cant go to the main site anymore it give me a blank page .. and thats it....

The only place where i can comment is here because was here in this thread when the thing happend...

 

So ... whats is going on ? the forums where not being transformed today ?

Why is everything different at once ... i hope that when i log out .. i can come back here...

Chris  

 

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Chris

 


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StaceyG ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 9:01 PM

We have some major server issues and had to bring the site down again. Hopefully things will be much better now.


JLyons ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 9:49 PM

I'm going to say this and I don't care who I piss off.

It amazes me that all this whining is going on over a site that you pay NOTHING for!!

All I hear is boo hoo, I am so put out with these changes. I want this, I want that!
You would think that people paid exorbitant amounts of money to be here.  Last time I checked I didn't pay anything to display my art here and as a free site I think it is rude as hell for anybody to whine about anything that Renderosity does with THEIR galleries.

If they start charging money then I can see you having the right to say something. But, so long as the galleries are free, then I think everyone should say thank you and be patient while Renderosity works out the kinks in what is essentially a gift to you!

There Is No Exit From The Flame, You Are Simply Transformed Into The Language Of The Fire!


RubiconDigital ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 9:57 PM

Yeah well, boo hoo or not, the pop up window and the awful jagged mini display are the height of user unfriendliness. I wonder if anyone at Renderosity has ever heard of usability. There doesn't seem much point in posting anything to the galleries any more, free or otherwise.
And by the way, if one wants to post more than one image a day, then you do have to pay for that.


Incarnadine ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 10:13 PM

I'm not boohoo-ing at all. For me these are all annoyance issues, not deal breaker issues.
I don't like the 700 pixel intermediate display, but I am noty going to run away over it either. I would prefer an option to go straight to the full size on a "my options" basis.
I am annoyed over the pop-up mouse over. I would prefer to have this selectable in "my options" as well. This can be lived with but we need to get it sorted CSS wise as well. I am using PJFs CSS and these do not play well with the pop-ups.
Gallery fav e-bots will be returning I have heard.
Everything else so far is trivial for me. (personal opinion)
Richard

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!


Incarnadine ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 10:22 PM · edited Wed, 14 June 2006 at 10:32 PM

"There is no resizing algorithm in the gallery software. You are viewing the full-size image, we have instructed your browser to display it at a smaller width." Stacey G from FAQ.
Ok so FF is the jaggy maker in my case, fine; please give me the option to tell your s/w to stop telling my browser to display the images at 700 pixels wide. I run at 1600x1200 and it is real annoying and of no apparent value to do this.

BTW, I have always had the internal resizing down option in FF turned off so any image display downsizing is at your instructions.

Pass no temptation lightly by, for one never knows when it may pass again!


cliff-dweller ( ) posted Wed, 14 June 2006 at 10:33 PM

JLyons wrote:

Quote - I'm going to say this and I don't care who I piss off.

It amazes me that all this whining is going on over a site that you pay NOTHING for!!

All I hear is boo hoo, I am so put out with these changes. I want this, I want that!
You would think that people paid exorbitant amounts of money to be here.  Last time I checked I didn't pay anything to display my art here and as a free site I think it is rude as hell for anybody to whine about anything that Renderosity does with THEIR galleries.

If they start charging money then I can see you having the right to say something. But, so long as the galleries are free, then I think everyone should say thank you and be patient while Renderosity works out the kinks in what is essentially a gift to you!

Perfectly reasonable position to hold...if it works for you, go for it. Just understand that there may be other opinions that are just as reasonable. E.g., for starters...

  • many of the people who post in the gallery also shop in the store here, thus supporting the costs to run the parts of the site that don't generate money directly (though many people will tell you that they often buy things in the store directly as a result of seeing them used in the galleries)...

  • some people may feel that they've entrusted their artwork to the site and are upset by the fact that it's being distorted (ruined in some cases) by the "resizing" that occurs now with these changes to the galleries...and paid for or not is irrelevent...

just two potential "reasonable" examples, IMHO...I'm sure there are more.

Check out my full gallery at Cliff-Dweller Artworks


JOEANOMALY ( ) posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 12:06 AM

Okay, okay. I'll get used to a few more mouse clicks to get where I'm going. I'll get used to almost anything,...but I' ve noticed loss of  color in my gallery images, even in the zoomed in versions. Is this due to reprogramming them into the site? Will future uploads retain their color values? Or will I have to "add" extra color to my future renders to get them to look right on the site (that's gonna be kinda tricky)?


DennisReed ( ) posted Thu, 15 June 2006 at 12:25 AM

1st, let me say Bravo to the Renderosity Staff and the Programmers for undertaking this "Big Change". StaceyG, WOW, I appreciate the effort you and the other moderators have done in trying to answer so many questions, and often the same one! Well this may be another, but I just have not seen this brought up:

Where are My Favorite Artists?

Where are My Favorite Images? I

t has taken me 4 years to build that information, I sure hope it is not lost! Will we be notified like before when comments are made to our posting, and will the be notified when our Favorite Artist post their work? All the rest of the changes I can easily adapt to. I will be 60 in July, and I have learned in my life time that change is inevitable, regardless of good or not. I just don't like confussion! ;)

 


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