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Subject: Rules unclear and unfair
Damn it, y'all started it, so I'm going to be the one to finish this once and for all!!!
People who love cats support columbian drug lords because anyone who is anyone knows that Cat's are the preffered mule for illicit drugs crossing our borders. Yes, why do you think Cat's are called Mittens often, or you hear the saying Cat mittens? Because like wearing gloves finger prints can't be traced...the crazy old woman with all those cats...she's not crazy, she's high and you people are supporting her!
I'm disgusted!
As for Aiko and Girl...I'm sorry to say, no matter where she's posted naked someone is going to think she's a child unless they have pointy ears and wings, because fairies are ascosiated with young faces....just like, I don't know...Anime. Except like Cats fairies are drug peddlers, pixie dust my booty, "Oh kids have some pixie dust and you can fly!" High as a kite, and then after dreams of Pirates and flying around, children find themselves in Columbian poppy fields.
There...and oh yeah Cat lovers...don't support the troops.
Captain Jack, that's ...super....the cat troops support you as well, as a matter of fact, they need you to come to Cuba, Once there find the nearest US Army person and the code word is....everyone else turn around ....ok the code word is "I have a bomb your dirty american pig" at which time the nice army guy (cat trooper in disguise) will take pictures with you, sometimes they're a little rough...but you know how those cat guys are. If you tall them at your Uncle Al sent them, last name Kada, you'll get a free stay!
ooh, that was bad LOL
I came up with a possible solution to the "aiko crisis" that periodically surfaces at all the major poser sites. maybe somebody could set up an aiko site, with the TOS for said site requiring folks to agree to seeing aiko renders and not saying they're "too young". :lol: o.k., now back to yer usual bidness, e.g. cat photos. I must admit, that little spotted one is really cute :lol:
Quote - Yes, their guidelines are different. They are stricter.
That has been said at least 3 times. So, your question has been answered at least 3 times.
**Perhaps what Bea is referring to are the second and third and fourth pages in the MarketPlace. On those, you are allowed to show Aiko nude in order to show the skin texture.
And before anyone says BUT........ Let me state something else. Yes, there are very young looking morphs for Aiko in the MP. Extrememly young as a matter of fact. Take note of something else. Those morphs don't have nudity because they are deemed too young looking to be shown nude even in the MP in order to show an excellent skin texture. Then there are other morphs in which the character looks young, but since she is shown nude on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th pages, one may presume that particular character was not deemed too young. And these seem to be the ones that get more images banned than any other. As well as upsetting members and causing questions such as... "Well, she was shown nude in the MP. Why can't I have her nude in the gallery?"
Solution? Perhaps none. Not at this time. Perhaps not ever. But one guideline that I'm sure everyone can totally agree on. If the Aiko character you bought in the MP here is NOT shown nude on any page of the store, then you can bet your bottom dollar that character is too young to be nude in the galleries.
And yes, I did state I was bowing out, but sometimes the urge to type is just there. Plus, I wanted to say hi to Stacey. So......
HI STACEY! It's a good day. grin**
Quote - **Then there are other morphs in which the character looks young, but since she is shown nude on the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th pages, one may presume that particular character was not deemed too young. And these seem to be the ones that get more images banned than any other. As well as upsetting members and causing questions such as... "Well, she was shown nude in the MP. Why can't I have her nude in the gallery?"
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You have a good point. However, and I hate to sound like a broken record, but if there's something in the MarketPlace that you find inappropriate or that may violate the TOS, you can either contact us by MP or email and let us know which product it is, or contact the Store Staff (who can do more about it than we can) with the same information. (if you email or PM us, we'll just relay the info to the Store Staff, so to cut out the middle man, we recommend you contact Store Staff before contacting Site Staff ;) )
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Respect the TOS and guidelines yadda yadda .....even if you dont agree with it and move on...... no use beating a dead horse.... (or however that phrase goes)
Janet - in the MP its a requirement to have aiko nude - front, side and back as you have to see what your buying, how the texture looks etc.. (you know how that song goes).... in the gallery... well the people are viewing and might not have purchasing at all on their minds....
**I don't necessarily find any of them inappropiate. Not in the MP. After all, the main thing you are selling in a character is the skin texture and it should be shown somehow. Plus too, I don't get upset over seeing a naked doll and, sorry to phrase it this way, but all of these models are dolls to me.
IMO.....and I think it's the point that each of the mods and admins here have been trying to make... is that it isn't the character or how young or old they may appear and whether or not they are shown nude in the MP. It's what you do with it after you buy it.
As I said... I think we can all agree that if the character you are buying in the MP is not shown nude on any page, then don't bother to post a nude render of her. It won't fly.
As for the others that may look young, but are shown nude....my daddy used to tell me "When in doubt, don't".**
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Respect the TOS and guidelines yadda yadda .....even if you dont agree with it and move on...... no use beating a dead horse.... (or however that phrase goes)
Janet - in the MP its a requirement to have aiko nude - front, side and back as you have to see what your buying, how the texture looks etc.. (you know how that song goes).... in the gallery... well the people are viewing and might not have purchasing at all on their minds....
Have they changed the rules since I closed my store? Last time I read about this, they were very adamant that if she appeared young, then she could not be shown nude. And there are characters for Aiko that do not have nude promos.
the MP policies havent changed - aiko has to be shown nude in the MP due to texture showing..... my aiko products are shown according to the rules and they've not failed testing at all.
There are aiko products in the MP that dont have the above - so if there's double standards - then so be it... shrugs see below - aiko isnt on the list of the no nudity for promo store images.....
**Character and/or Texture packages for the following figures are not allowed to be shown nude in any promotional images in the MarketPlace
Mill Kids
Rosy Cheeks Lina
If a character/texture package for any other model appears too young for nude exposure by the majority of the Admin Team, you will be advised, and asked to provide images containing no nudity.
**it might be on a case by case - morphing etc..
Please remember that in the galleries we aren't saying NO Nudity with Aiko, it is all in the appearance of the final rendered image.
And also keep in mind that the child image guidelines have been in place since March of 2005 and we went forward with it not backward. So there are images that were uploaded prior to this time that are still in the galleries if they haven't been brought to our attention or removed/edited by the artist.
Just an FYI
Quote - > Quote - There...and oh yeah Cat lovers...don't support the troops.
Oh, I dunno... I support cat troops. Stealthy, quick-witted, sharp reflexes, deadly in hand-to-hand combat. Usually loyal to the nearest can opener, 'tis true; but they've captured me 'eart, nonetheless... :biggrin:
"Loyal to the nearest can opener" Giggles
Hooray for kat troops! And that picture is adorables, soooo cute! ^^
Thanks Captain Jack, I was feeling a bit down when I came to look at this thread, seeing that adorable little kitten made me all smiles again. I said before that there would be no winners here, but I think I must ammend that to include that the Little Kitten troops have....
Little kitten trooper No 102, code name "Mittens" reporting to the Commanding Officer, 14th "Kat's Eye" Inf. Div.
"We have taken the thread and it is ours, sir!"
"Excellent!" Replies General "Fluffy" Rubbing little paws togeather. "Now to the nearest can opener! Mawahahaha!"
Quote - Please remember that in the galleries we aren't saying NO Nudity with Aiko, it is all in the appearance of the final rendered image.
And also keep in mind that the child image guidelines have been in place since March of 2005 and we went forward with it not backward. So there are images that were uploaded prior to this time that are still in the galleries if they haven't been brought to our attention or removed/edited by the artist.Just an FYI
What you mean I can still render and post n.v.i.t.w.s.?
HOooooooyah!
That makes my day!
And here I took both of my n.v.i.t.w.s. (eventhough she didn't have a sword and wasn't in a temple) down thinking no nudity was for anyone of the carachters in the galleries.
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Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert
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Free the freebies!
YOu see Darth admits it!!! Cats,
C is the the third letter in the alphabet times itself it equals 9
A the 1st letter in the alphabet times itiself it equals to 1
We all know the the letter T is without its' hat looks julst like 1
S as in Superman, leaps over tall buildings....
911 Buildings, Cats =terrorist!!!
On the Aiko issue, I agree it's not a winnable battle, the only thing I truly regret is that many artist have again and again posted TOS violations, and I believe for the most part, with Aiko child nudity wasn't what they were going for, just their point of view
warnings...super great job Mods
temporary suspension of account....super job Mods
But unless an artist is given such warning, then ban, and messes up again....another ban.
A permanent ban should only be issued when it is made very clear that the artist is trying to make child nude imagery.
Let's say I've been banned for a week, I come back and put the same image up, or an image very, very similar, you ban me again, then I come back and do the same thing again....well then it's made clear "hey this guy/gal doesn't give a fork and spoon about the TOS" then a permanent ban.
I think my images don't violate the TOS, but I'm sure some would think they do. There will be a point when I think someone will say "hey cruzin...that's bad, we took it down because it violated rendo TOS". I'm not going to agree, because that isn't the intent of the image, but should I be banned forever because when I was rendering I thought she looked "of age" especially for Anime but the mods, who may be for/against/or don't care for anime think differently.
I'm not trying to win the war for Nude Aiko, that's pointless, you CAN have a nude Aiko in the galleries, I'm trying to win the war for the guys who aren't here anymore, because I'm using someone else's computer and yeah the temptation to post a sexy cute nude or bare breasted Aiko is there, right now I have someone who says "Don't post that, it's iffy" and all but once I've listened to his advice...the irony of it all is that the guy who is always making sure I don't violate the TOS, is a guy who's been permantly banned. If the situation were switched I think I would have pushed me to push the boundaries, but that's me.
Oh yeah, the only good cat is a Thundercat! Hoooooooooooo!
Quote - Thanks Captain Jack, I was feeling a bit down when I came to look at this thread, seeing that adorable little kitten made me all smiles again.,
You're quite welcome. 
Cats and kitterns are always a great pick-me-up, IMO.
Quote - I said before that there would be no winners here, but I think I must ammend that to include that the Little Kitten troops have....
Little kitten trooper No 102, code name "Mittens" reporting to the Commanding Officer, 14th "Kat's Eye" Inf. Div.
"We have taken the thread and it is ours, sir!"
"Excellent!" Replies General "Fluffy" Rubbing little paws togeather. "Now to the nearest can opener! Mawahahaha!"
Yup, that's about the size of it. :biggrin:
What the both of you have basically said was
"Oh there was this one person...."
meaning the exception to the rule. I know a man that's in his late 30's and looks 15....so does that mean every 15 year old I see in 38, nope.
So rather than make a point, you've proved the opposite by showing that no matter what you're going to say underage using you're "I once knew a " or "a serious glandular problem"
Using those ideas one could say if you are a Priest then that means you must like little boys, because you're basing your thoughts and opinions on the extreme cases.
@cruzin:
despite her off-proportions she still looks like 12-14 to me - and btw. I am a big manga and anime fan myself - so I am quite familiar with this art style.
Perhabs if the whole picture would be mange style, or would be part of a manga scene/context then it would adjust a bit more, but she still would look awefully young. I am no expert in hentai, but afaik most of them don't depict minors- could be wrong tough.
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Quote - What the both of you have basically said was
"Oh there was this one person...."
meaning the exception to the rule. I know a man that's in his late 30's and looks 15....so does that mean every 15 year old I see in 38, nope.So rather than make a point, you've proved the opposite by showing that no matter what you're going to say underage using you're "I once knew a " or "a serious glandular problem"
Using those ideas one could say if you are a Priest then that means you must like little boys, because you're basing your thoughts and opinions on the extreme cases.
I wasn't trying to make a point. I made a simple statement. I did have a friend like that....shrug.... I am not concerned how it's taken. I just thought it was uncanny how much she did look like my friend. Whether Aiko is nude or clothed doesn't make a difference to me
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Quote - What the both of you have basically said was
"Oh there was this one person...."
meaning the exception to the rule. I know a man that's in his late 30's and looks 15....so does that mean every 15 year old I see in 38, nope.
Yes, I said I knew someone like that. I did not say it was the only example I knew of. I did not use it as a reference to the apparent age of the character in your image. I did not say it to espouse any sort of general guideline for any images whatsoever.
I would be much happier if you wouldn't say "what you are basically saying". I would be happy to further explain myself, if you like, but we'll have a much better conversation if you don't translate and summarize my words. I'll assume that you were just presenting your own perception of what I intended, and I'll of course try to extend you the same courtesy.
Quote - So rather than make a point, you've proved the opposite by showing that no matter what you're going to say underage using you're "I once knew a " or "a serious glandular problem"
Possibly I misunderstood. I couldn't imagine that you were being serious with your image test, but it seems to me now that perhaps you were. My "glandular problem" comment was meant to be a humorous description of the image overall, and was not in any way an indicator of why I felt the character looked a certain age.
There are several reasons why I think the character looks a certain age; about 15 years, in this case. In this particular image, and this particular image only, the criteria I used were clearness of skin tone, apparent tautness of the skin (particularly around the eyes, cheeks, and neck), and size of the eyes in proportion to the head. In addition to the physical markers, the character has the guise of a young person. As Billy mentioned, the apparent age of the character in any given image is not solely dependent on the physical characteristics of the person, but to some degree on the environmental factors, such as clothing, stance, hair style, and environment.
Now, while I might (or might not) use those same criteria in judging another image (I say "might not", because another image might present in a wholely different mode, such as the character not showing a head). I am not in any way discussing a set of rules whereby images in general can be judged, merely stating what criteria I used in judging your particular image.
Quote - Using those ideas one could say if you are a Priest then that means you must like little boys, because you're basing your thoughts and opinions on the extreme cases.
Really? Uh... well-- No, really? Are you serious? If you're kidding, I wish you'd use a smiley or something. Have you had any sort of training in formal logic? If so, I'd like to know what method you're using to connect your thoughts, because I'm a bit bewildered by your comparison. You seem to have run together two useless generalizations into a conglomerate of ideation that borders on the bizarre. Or so it seems to me. If you could connect those dots for me a little bit, I would very much appreciate it.
come on jumpy......look at the hips and leg muscles and pelvic area. the curvature and line of the body excluding the tits. it's also anime so it's gonna have a big eyed head.. that said your opinion is just as valid as mine you wicked wascal lol. whilst most guys know a school girl back in the day with big jugs i have to say i never saw anyone like her in my schools...except a particularly foxy teacher.
billy
Quote - What the both of you have basically said was
"Oh there was this one person...."
meaning the exception to the rule. I know a man that's in his late 30's and looks 15....so does that mean every 15 year old I see in 38, nope.So rather than make a point, you've proved the opposite by showing that no matter what you're going to say underage using you're "I once knew a " or "a serious glandular problem"
Using those ideas one could say if you are a Priest then that means you must like little boys, because you're basing your thoughts and opinions on the extreme cases.
schoolgirls with big tits are quiet common cruzin and not as extreme as you say. priests who like little boys only seem as common cos when one gets caught it's all over the news tarnishing other priests by association. theyre not both as extreme as the oher.
billy
Apart from the "just been smacked in the face by a cricket bat" look, she's very similar how I looked around age 13, along with a good 50% of my friends at that age, although I personally did have the most humungous knockers.
Although we did usually wear bras.
This child though looks to be about a FF or even GG cup size which is extremely uncommon without a) surgery or b) obesity - at any age.
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well i don't know of one 13 yr old who had legs like that, i must have led a secular kinda life i guess lol. i do know someone with those legs and that body (with or without the jugs ) would get in any night club i've ever visited. (if the shape size and looks were transferred to a human ) she must be all of 6 ft or more looking at her proportions. (jugs exclude) you and your class mates would have made a good basketball team hehe
billy
Okay, gonna try gonna try gonna try.
I looked long and hard at this render because I think it's important sometimes not just to go with an initial impression or feeling. You are asking for an age range. If you are asking in relation to general anime and what an artist might do to try to show a character as being in an adult range then yes, I would say that in terms of general body proptions yes, I'd have no problem with booting her into the adult age range.
Here's what I think is primarily throwing people: The lower half of her face. Body is fine, upper part of the head's fine, uniform top is not neccersarilly indictive of being young. Backround and the chibi character beside her, also take them out of the equation because THEY SHOULD MEAN NOTHING in terms of judging the character's apparent age.
Okay so here's what I did, I completly covered up her head first, and asked myself, just based on the body if I was asked to judge, as you are, if it belonged to a child or an adult, I'd say an adult. So that's the short answer on the body portion.
Next I took the head and hair. Hair is fine as is I think not really an deciding factor. So then I zeroed in on the face. Upper portion from the forhead to the bottem of the eyes is fine, I don't think there can be a age detraction made on that basis.
So the lower portion: This I see is the only potential problem area and judging by some of the reactions I'd guess that's probably what swayed alot of people in favor of an underage ruling despite the mature body, hair and upper head regions.
So let's take a look at that area shall we for potential problem areas. Okay to begin with the shape of the face is a very rounded one and the shadows reinforce it. Almost no definition to cheeks bone structure (sorry Cruzin I'm doing my best here, this isn't easy okay I don't like picking apart other people's work hopefully you'll see my intent) and the lips are very full and close to the nose, which is also quite pert. The chin also has a lack of definition.
None of these, in themselves would be a major point of age contention, I think, but when put all togeather the end result is that the lower part of her face has a somewhat underdeveloped effect which gives her overall face a kind of cheruby look to it, and is rings some of the classic indicators for some folks that she is potentially very young.
BUT and I'm just as sorry as heck about this but I can't agree with those who've decided that she must constitute a girl in her early to midteens. My ruling on this, which of course means not a fricking thing but it's still my dang voice and by gosh I'm going to use it, do you hear me?! I'm going to use it! Because the sadest part in this whole dang thing are the people that backed away when they got slapped in the face and now are silent or cower in fear of the "report" button.
Not me. What's right is right. No Cruzin, in my judgement, and it was not an easy one to make, while the render gives the viewer pause, it does not ultimatly in my opinion and despite it's handycaps constitute a underage girl, but rather a healthy and mature woman perhaps in her late teens to eary twenties but I'd have a real problem with agreeing to her being classed as younger then that.
Why? Show me a twelve or thirteen your old in a anime or manga of you're choice that's done with the same bodily proportions and general character structuring. Traditionally it's just not done. Realism doesan't really enter into it. Just because someone knew a girl back in highshool or junior high or whatever who had blah de blah blah has no real bearing on the matter in my view. We're not talking about real life, we are talking about a form of art.
Also I think the character's breast size is largely errelivant beyond the fact that she has proportions well in keeping with a fully (and exceptionally well endowed) adult. I applaude those who actually took time to look at some of the other factors in the body structure which are much better indicators.
Now in terms of westernized anime I'd maybe be willing to concead a somewhat broader age range, but certianly not to the lower extremes some have suggested. Sorry but in terms of the art form it just isn't done, not even in westernized anime.
So I really don't care if someone's entire junior high class looked like amazons or centerfolds, or if little suzy from down the street had breasts the size of basketballs before she was out of daipers. I really don't think that how well developed you or your children or your children's children were by the time they reached Jr. High is all that relevant. If we were talking about characters who were meant to be rendered in as real as style as the 3d medium allows such as V3 or M3 for example, then I might better understand the relevance of the cases sited. As it is, anime characters are not meant to be drawn or rendered in a wholly realistic manner, once again as I think I've said several times that completly defeats the purpose of the artform.
I think it took alot of courage for you Cruzin, to put a personal peice of artwork and a character you'd obviously put a fair amount of time into this thread for review, particullarly given the atmosphere. That, frankly, took guts. So thankyou for having the courage to try.
Oh, and if it were my render, I'd have things that I would have changed, but it's not. It's yours. So I'm going to refrain from making any suggestions as to how to appease anyone's perceptions with small changes to the work, because it's yours and your vision, and I respect that.
And dang it I'm going to say something else. It makes me especially upset when I read about artists who were banned in what I am going to now designate the "May purge" since I understand that's when alot of this started really happening as far as artists leaving or being banned, these same artists who are now working with artists still on the site to try and help them conform their work to the TOS and still mantain their artistic integrity. Heck, in my book that says alot about someone right there.
Now I understand that changes had to be made and blah de blah blah but for crying out. Well.. If I had my way about it, and I won't of course, but if I did, I'd take those cases and put them up for review. I'd talk with the artists off site in E-mails or whatever if they were willing to see if something could be worked out. Because I think it's the sadest thing in the world when people give up on other people at the very times when they need it most.
And ya, I've been around the net. And ya, I know how it is. And yes I've heard the arguement that nothing can be changed and that's just the way it is and nothing anyone can do or say will ever change that. And no, I haven't stopped and will never stop believing that when we really lose ourselves is when we loose the courage to try.
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Bea,
This is the last time I am going to respond to you in regards to this particuliar issue. We already stated PAGES BACK that the Marketplace has their gudelines for promo images and we have our guidelines for the Community and if you have a concern in regards to the Marketplace guidelines for vendors, contact the Marketplace staff.
Now this thread discussion can continue but if your only goal is to keep asking the same thing that has already been responded to over and over again, I suggest you take the direction we gave you or move past this matter.