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Subject: 'Borrowed' images: anyone know XWALL..?


Loloe ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 12:21 PM

Sorry I haven't seen Dalyn's pic was already here!

 I also found a pic of defkisum:

http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/register.php?action=activate&activationkey=9b199be01320666ebb6902df249379ef

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1299711&member


Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 12:25 PM

Quote - I need to know if any of the stolen work was posted on any other website other than Renderosity..

Do you have any of this work on another website including you own ??

 

Here and in xspictures.com for me

I agree with Marlene too



Hendesse ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 12:55 PM

I have registered on this site and wrote an IM to "maxlara" that he has to remove my pic in the next 24 hours. But I don't think that he will do that.

RE Mermaid: You did a great job, thank you!!

RE pushinfaders:  My pic was only posted on RR and on no other site.


Zacko ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 1:16 PM

My pic was posted here and on my own website: www.mystic-pic.com .....where righ-clicking is disabled....even though that means nothing. :bored:

How come we say 'It's colder than hell outside' when isn't it realistically always colder than hell since hell is supposed to be fire and brimstone?
____________________

Andreas

Mystic Pic


Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 1:24 PM

well, for me too, I have my pictures in my own webside too

Andreas, make that with firefox and you can.... 

I think this man,  his 1002 picture he post, he have 1002 violations of copyright. And member section photography like member in other section here in RR... or other web...



kimariehere ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 1:29 PM

He needs to really get a good does of reality and be banned permently for abusing this i feel ...1002 pictures ..what a creep..sigh .why is he doing this I wonder,.....is he doing those pictures in his name like he himself did them .. ? ..hmmm....

kimmers ♥ :O)


TerraDreamer ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 2:30 PM

I think it's more than evident that the photos and Poser work were lifted from Rendo instead of other sites, as the Rendo user names are included in many of them.  That ISP needs to shut that site down.


Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 2:30 PM

kimie... no like that, because he put for example : Bearcicle by Rayburg . like you see in the screen capture. But yes, he erase the name in the picture.... I never received a im or email from him for ask me if he can to upload my pictures.



TerraDreamer ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 2:36 PM

I wonder if the people in the Poser forum are aware of this?  If we're trying to generate artist names, they should be included.  The more, the merrier.


Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 2:36 PM

Quote - I think it's more than evident that the photos and Poser work were lifted from Rendo instead of other sites, as the Rendo user names are included in many of them.  That ISP needs to shut that site down.[/quote

I'm agree with you but if you see all this webpage, you can see this member isn't alone to make this error. I see a lot member put image without the autorisation... i just see a lot of picture of britney spear or other artist, for example... I think , the first person to make mistake in this Xwall is the admin and moderator for don't verificat  all the images to post all the user....



Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 2:46 PM

Quote - I wonder if the people in the Poser forum are aware of this?  If we're trying to generate artist names, they should be included.  The more, the merrier.

 

I think the more important it's informat all the member RR to have his own picture or work in the gallery of xwall, no?



girsempa ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 2:57 PM · edited Wed, 13 December 2006 at 3:03 PM

Incredible..!: I got a message from Cosme (isacos). His image was the first one I spotted 2 days ago. I sent him an IM with the URL and here's what Cosme did: he registered on the site and left a comment under his image, in which he kindly asked gdmora to remove the image and to ask permission first before uploading an image that wasn't his own original work. Gdmora removed the image and sent a message back to Cosme, saying: "Apologies, I didnt know you were the author... next time I'll be more aware, keep well." Mind you, the image caption read: "Tximist by isacos"... and the guy pretends not to know that Cosme was the author... Incredible... he's a liar as well...! By the way, Valou and Loloe, if you just copy the page address that you find on top of your browser to show us the images, you'll see that you always end up with the same address... and the links to the images will not work. You'll have to right click on the image and open or copy the image address itself to display the images.


We do not see things as they are. ǝɹɐ ǝʍ sɐ sƃuıɥʇ ǝǝs ǝʍ
 


Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 3:06 PM

Yes, it's incredible... i just send me too a im at this bad member for he erase all these pictures  and he don't answer me.... I hope Bruce, Danob or  the administration of RR can make something...



Zacko ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 3:10 PM

LOL! That´s somewhat funny. I personally love that you get that "copyrigt xwall" when you right click the thumbs, LOL.

How come we say 'It's colder than hell outside' when isn't it realistically always colder than hell since hell is supposed to be fire and brimstone?
____________________

Andreas

Mystic Pic


Margana ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:07 PM

Sounds to me like approaching people like gdmora is a waste of time. The whole site should be shutdown for copyright infringement.

Marlene <")

Marlene S. Piskin Photography
My Blog


"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog can cure depression. The down side is, the minute you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno


babuci ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:13 PM · edited Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:15 PM

Hi guys / girls!

I did like to check this site out myself, i signed up, still doesnt let me in . Keep getting some error  in spanish of course so I am out of luck...pleeeease help !

seeya  Tunde

This is a message I get back.....Valouuuu! help please.

:: Error ::

Posibles causas,

  • No ha iniciado una sesión como usuario.
  • No tiene permiso para entrar en esta sección o servicio.
  • Ha realizado una acción no permitida a los visitantes.
  • Ha realizado una acción no permitida a los usuarios.
  • Su cuenta ha sido eliminada por inactividad (3 meses aprox.).

El registro en XwallOnline.org es totalmente gratuito, [Regístrese]

Página principal


mermaid ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:15 PM

So now I am done for today browsing this darn site for stolen images...grrr...
but as said before only three people borrow photos form RR: maxlara, gdmona, fidato50
but gdmona and fidato are quite bussy as you can see from my list for Bruce below:

found one by tofi:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1309274&member
stolen from gdmona:
http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/19/on_the_double_by_tofi.jpg

one by Kjr:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1333955&member
stolen by gdmona:
http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/19/butterflies_princess_by_kjr.jpg

29 by abetaltre all stolen by fidato50

  1. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1329453&member
  2. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/looking_stairs_by_abetaltre.jpg
  3. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1325678&member
  4. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/caron5_by_abetaltre.jpg
  5. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1302720&member
  6. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/focused_by_abetaltre.jpg
  7. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1314767&member
  8. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/the_light_by_abetaltre.jpg
  9. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1296923&member
  10. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/157/roses_by_abetaltre.jpg
  11. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1250525&member
  12. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/19/veiled_bed_by_abetaltre.jpg
    7.orignal:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1234106&member
  13. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/my_bedroom_by_abetaltre.jpg
  14. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1237263&member
  15. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/Back_room_by_abetaltre.jpg
  16. original:
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1234558&member
  17. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/my_dresser_by_abetaltre.jpg
  18. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1222523&member
  19. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/bridebound_by_abetaltre.jpg
  20. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1127214&member
  21. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/brr_..._my_robe_please_by_abetaltre.jpg
    12.original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1095625&member
    12.stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/in_her_hand_by_abetaltre.jpg
    13.original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1100883&member
  22. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/escape_by_abetaltre.jpg
  23. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1101457&member
  24. stolen:
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/candle_mirror_by_abetaltre.jpg
  25. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1094963&member
  26. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/19/full_moon_by_abetaltre.jpg
    16 original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1008638&member
  27. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/hanging_around_by_abetaltre.jpg
  28. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1029223&member
  29. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/tired_ballet_by_abetaltre.jpg
    18 original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1000513&member
  30. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/THE_TUB_by_abetaltre.jpg
  31. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1023251&member
    19 stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/by_the_window_by_abetaltre.jpg
  32. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1005105&member
  33. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/poppies_by_abetaltre.jpg
  34. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1025566&member
  35. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/poppezz_by_abetaltre.jpg
  36. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=984646&member
  37. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/on_the_piano_by_abetaltre_2.jpg
  38. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=984134&member
  39. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/Piano_by_abetaltre.jpg
  40. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1081447&member
  41. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/fleet_by7_abetaltre.jpg
  42. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1091233&member
    25 stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/lil_lil_by_abetaltre.jpg
    27 original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1067290&member
    27 stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/Ballet_Girl_by_abetaltre.jpg
    28 original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=995309&member
    28 stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/violin_by_abetaltre.jpg
  43. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1018900&member
    29 stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/veiled_by_abetaltre.jpg

the second one from undertaker stolen by fidato50 (the first one I have already postet)
original
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1178376&member
stolen
http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/shooting_by_Undertaker.jpg

the 6 from erlandpil all stolen by fidato50:

  1. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1316098&member

  2. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/19/Blue_Girl_by_erlandpil.jpg

  3. original... Erland changed it to red and blue, but can be in the forums..dont know
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1311704&member

  4. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/19/Red_And_Blue_by_erlandpil.jpg

  5. original

  6. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/19/Body_And_REd_Apple_by_erlandpil.jpg

  7. original
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1305262&member

  8. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/Lulles_Eyes_by_erlandpil.jpg

  9. original

  10. stolen
    http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/Art_On_Body_25_by_erlandpil.jpg

  11. original

6.stolen
http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/Pretty_In_Tatoo_by_erlandpil.jpg

1 from keepzen stolen by fidato50
original
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1304305&member
stolen
http://xwall.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/datos/media/153/Naade_by_keepzen.jpg

 

 


Margana ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:17 PM · edited Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:19 PM

You have to wait for the email that confirms your registration,Tunde. If you don't get it shortly,check your spam filter,it may be in there.

Edit...Wow Ulla!That was really wonderful of you to do that for them. I'm sure they will all be most grateful for the time you spent on their behalf.

Marlene <")

Marlene S. Piskin Photography
My Blog


"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog can cure depression. The down side is, the minute you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno


mermaid ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:20 PM

Ah Tunde,
have been in there neraly all day...so far I have seen none of yours...


mermaid ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:22 PM

Thanks Margana..smile.... had some time today, as i had to stay home, cause we are getting a new heating for the house and its really cold outside by now and I have to make sure, my parrots are warm and well and this darn electric heater doesnt burn my carpet...


TwoPynts ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:27 PM · edited Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:29 PM

I just got this from what appears to be the XWall staff. "In a message dated 12/13/06 5:09:39 PM, jlluesma@msn.com writes: Hola, Debido a problemas con la pina, Renderosity Digital Art Community ( http://www.renderosity.com/index.php ), os pedir que eliminarais de XwallOnline.org todas las imenes que habs subido de esa pina Web. No les vale con que pongs el nombre de autor de la imagen, ni nada Saludos y Felices Fiestas." ----- Roughly Google translated: "Hello, Due to problems with the page, Digital Renderosity Art Community (http://www.renderosity.com/index.php), would request to you that you eliminated of XwallOnline.org all the images that you have raised of that page Web. It is not worth to them whereupon you put the name of author of the image, nor nothing Greetings and Happy Celebrations." So I guess the RR admin put on the heat in some way shape or form and XWall's response is to ask all of it's members to pull any RR images they may have posted. Who else thinks that is a little weak? But still, it is good to at least see something is being done. And yes, thank for all of your hard work Ulla! I hope feathers stayed warm and the carpet unburnt!

Kort Kramer - Kramer Kreations


bclaytonphoto ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:31 PM · edited Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:33 PM

I sent a letter today ...to the hosting company

Just pointing out the obvious

:m_redfaced:

I still have some work to do on this..

www.bclaytonphoto.com

bclaytonphoto on Facebook


babuci ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:33 PM

Marlene thanks for advise

Ulla thanks for a good news and a spend time on it LOL

Kort, this is sound cool, good to know rr stand up for their artist. 

seeyus  Tunde


Lucifer_The_Dark ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:38 PM

Quote - Definately worth looking into...

And here is another site that deals with basically a one person crime wave epidemic, if any of you post at DA you may have heard about this one.  If not worth looking into as she does on occassion lift photography, and has been a member here... Lots of links and tons of stolen work.

Brenda

This is odd, I'm banned from the site you put a link to but it's the first time I've ever visited & probably the last.

Windows 7 64Bit
Poser Pro 2010 SR1


Margana ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:40 PM · edited Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:42 PM

I just got the same email,Kort and was going to post it here. Yes, it's weak but I'm guessing they saw the potential for the whole site going kaplooie...lol.

Edit: You're banned from a site you've never been to?How bizarre.

Marlene <")

Marlene S. Piskin Photography
My Blog


"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog can cure depression. The down side is, the minute you stop licking, the frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno


girsempa ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:50 PM

That is neat, Bruce..! I knew we could count on you, man... Big cheers!!


We do not see things as they are. ǝɹɐ ǝʍ sɐ sƃuıɥʇ ǝǝs ǝʍ
 


Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 4:54 PM

Babuci

:: Error::

Possible causes,

  • It has not initiated a meeting as user.
  • It has no permission to enter this section or service.
  • It has realized an action not allowed to the visitors.
  • It has realized an action not allowed to the users.
  • His account has been eliminated by stagnation (3 months aprox.).

Zacko, open your firefox, and without to move the mouse, you click right, tape enter with the keyboard and you have the windows where you see propriety after the window of "copyright :lol: closed. I make that... With IE you cannot, or I don't know i don't test...



Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 5:24 PM

Quote - I just got this from what appears to be the XWall staff. "In a message dated 12/13/06 5:09:39 PM, jlluesma@msn.com writes: Hola, Debido a problemas con la página, Renderosity Digital Art Community ( http://www.renderosity.com/index.php ), os pediría que eliminarais de XwallOnline.org  todas las imágenes que habéis subido de esa página Web. No les vale con que pongáis el nombre de autor de la imagen, ni nada… Saludos y Felices Fiestas." ----- Roughly Google translated: "Hello, Due to problems with the page, Digital Renderosity Art Community (http://www.renderosity.com/index.php), would request to you that you eliminated of XwallOnline.org all the images that you have raised of that page Web. It is not worth to them whereupon you put the name of author of the image, nor nothing… Greetings and Happy Celebrations." So I guess the RR admin put on the heat in some way shape or form and XWall's response is to ask all of it's members to pull any RR images they may have posted. Who else thinks that is a little weak? But still, it is good to at least see something is being done. And yes, thank for all of your hard work Ulla! I hope feathers stayed warm and the carpet unburnt!

 

Kort : you really go very soft... you can to send them this page : http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1-espanol.html
Or send that http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html and they must to reading the art. 501...



arcady ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 5:31 PM · edited Wed, 13 December 2006 at 5:33 PM

Quote - XWALL site, it is mentioned (in Spanish) that there is a part of the site (Usuarios) where the users can post their personal favorite images (from other creators!!!) that they find all over the internet... and that the ownership of these images remains with their original creators. Of course, the site owners can't be held responsible for any mis-use of other people's images.

It is a -VERY COMMON- misperception that 'copyright law doesn't matter if I do it free'...

It is especially common in online forums, websites, file sharing, etc...

In almost every debate about copyright online, some yahoo comes in and claims they can copy and repost and so on because they aren't charging for it, or they are just using it for their 'personal uses' - as if posting it to the world was a personal use...

A lot of website owners fall prey to this same incorrect belief - and the presence of products like napster, utube, and so on only contribute to this belief.

But copyright of course, doesn't work that way.

If A hold copyright to X, B cannot copy it without getting permission from A. End of most of the discussion. Doesn't matter how B uses it, barring a small list of exceptions. Those exceptions mostly relate to academia and reviews. They do not cover general free distribution. But a common belief is that they do.

Further, you cannot disclaim liability for an illegal act if you are the party knowingly enabling that act. Which is the case here - as they first set up a form for people to use to break the law, suggest to them how to go about breaking the law, and then try to claim they are not responsible if people then actually go ahead and break the law. It doesn't work that way.

Spanish law, as a member of both the European Community and the EU, is not going to be that different from US law on this point - that site owner could be hauled into court by anyone of the people here who's work has been stolen.

Note also that unlike trademark, not hauling them into court won't cause you to lose your copyright.

If there is anyone who's work has been stolen who is in Europe, people with an interest might want to pool resources around that person in order to hire a local lawyer to draft up the EU version of a cease and desist letter.

Getting a notice with a law firm's name on it is often enough to scare people out of their illegal acts.

Truth has no value without backing by unfounded belief.
Renderosity Gallery


Cosme..D..Churruca ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 5:38 PM

I have just recieved an email from Xwall asking me to remove all the images taken of Renderosity.
This is the text translated literally: "Due to problems with the page, Renderosity Digital Art Community, I should ask you to remove of XwallOnline.org all the images uploaded from that web. It dosent suit to them putting the name of the author of the image, not anything."
I hope the translation it is right and maybe some of you is receiving the email if you have registered in that "web".  For me is a shame this web is owned by spanish people.  Hugs to everybody !


Valerie-Ducom ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 5:41 PM

no, I don't receive nothing... and I send a im at this stolen man and at the mod/admin...



bclaytonphoto ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 6:32 PM

I believe the e-mail that was sent from xwall went to all of it's members..I signed up, and also got one..

I took the time to send a polite response ....

I may have mentioned a few names..

I hope to have more good news to report on this matter soon..

www.bclaytonphoto.com

bclaytonphoto on Facebook


gradient ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:19 PM

To me, the standard email sent to xwalls members is a cop out.....If they were really concerned they could have gone and deleted all the affected images themselves rather than ask their members to do that.  Then after that, issue a statement to it's members discussing copyright matters.
As it sits right now.....the onus is on it's members to remove YOUR images....that may  be a long and painful process.....some members may not even be active anymore....

In addition, their statement only addresses Renderosity uploads.....I guess they still condone the practice if the images are stolen from elsewhere....

In youth, we learn....with age, we understand.


Punaguy ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:28 PM

First off thanks Ulla for tracking down these images and giving us the links....That's a lot of images to go through to get the URLs.....

I joined this bogus site to check out what images they might have ripped and did find mine there...pretty sickning to see it on another persons site with out permission. I also got an email from jlluesma@msn.com with this message in spanish:

Hola,

Debido a problemas con la página, Renderosity Digital Art
Community ( http://www.renderosity.com/index.php ), os
pediría que eliminarais de XwallOnline.org  todas las imágenes
que habéis subido de esa página Web. No les vale con que
pongáis el nombre de autor de la imagen, ni nada…

Saludos y Felices Fiestas.

I used Google to translate and this is the best it could come up with....maybe some of our spanish speaking friends here can translate it better......Aloha~

Hello, Due to problems with the page, Digital Renderosity Art Community (http://www.renderosity.com/index.php), you he would request that you eliminated of XwallOnline.org all the images that you have raised of that page Web. It is not worth to them whereupon you put the name of author of the image, nor nothing… Greetings and Happy Celebrations.


Kana'es Photography


kjpweb ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:43 PM

Yep - got the same email. I for my part have to retract my previous assumption, that it was a minor issue. Seeing that we're talking hundreds of images and several people having part in this image theft - it appears to be a large scale problem.

I am astonished - that there is no official statement from Renderosity available at this time.
Whether or not they as a company have taken any official action - and if yes - which.

I applaude our moderators however, who try to get a handle on this, as I especially point out Ulla for her excellent research.

When are we going to learn about the official R'osity point of view?

Cheers
kjpweb

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments, that take our breath away!"


bclaytonphoto ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:43 PM

More good news to report...

all three of these folks will not be visiting Renderosity  again..

I'll do my best to keep an eye out for any of them coming back under a different name.

As for xwallonline

We need to stay on top of them. Obviously their host company said something to them..

I would suggest that everyone who got one of these e-mails from them, take the time to respond, in a polite and firm way.

feel free to mention the offending parties...

If we do not see some definitive action in the next day or two..Then we can continue to press the host company..

Perhaps one of our Spanish speaking members can assist us in drafting an e-mail to send to the admin@xwall..

I will see if we can find an e-mail addy on that site

www.bclaytonphoto.com

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bclaytonphoto ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:46 PM

This is the person we want to contact at xwallonline

jlluesma@msn.com

www.bclaytonphoto.com

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gradient ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:49 PM

Well put kjpweb......kudos to mods here and to those members (esp Ulla) in tracking down the rips.

In youth, we learn....with age, we understand.


kjpweb ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:54 PM

Quote - You can post it in the Copyright forum as suggested but also you should contact this person and demand they take down your work since you did not give them permission. The copyright guru's will also give you additional information. 

That's Stacey's response so far - and I can't help to say - this is unsufficient - to say the least.
If Renderosity suggests that it is our problem and we have to take action then someone is missing the point.
For one - if we as members are not being supported by R'osity in a problem that is obviously almost epedemic - why should we keep posting our artwork?
The artwork of all artists is Renderosity's backbone, thus I am astonished by such an indifferent statement.
What good would posting it in another section of the forum do?
It will be exactly the same discussion as we have it here.

I'm sorry - but that is not what I expect.

Cheers
kjpweb

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments, that take our breath away!"


gradient ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 7:57 PM

@kjpweb:

THANK YOU!!!! Finally someone is agreeing with me and what I've been trying to say to Rendo staff for the past year!!!

In youth, we learn....with age, we understand.


bclaytonphoto ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 8:15 PM

well, to the admins defense...I took it upon my self to run with this matter..

I have been in contact with both Stacey and Clint along the way..Thus the lack of response from them in this thread

We do however need to work to a long term solution..

That may take some time..

www.bclaytonphoto.com

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TomDart ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 9:22 PM

If any of mine have been lifted, I don't know it yet....maybe not good enough to lift but a few are...This is truly sad but in my years of life I have seen everything from photos to machines and jewelry knockoffs, to blackmarket movies..available for sale.      

Funny, like a one in a million side effect of a medicine, for instance, affecting a very small percentage of the populace..when it affects you it is 100%!    If someone steals your photo or mine, it is 100% and very, very wrong.   The world is full of those less than ethical low types, unfortuantely.

I hope those here with lifted photos can get  some sort of proper recourse.  I really do hope that.

Tom.


DJB ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 10:12 PM

As much as I feel for all who have had images lifted, I think the administration have  done fairly well in responding in the past.
That is when it is brought to attention.
This happened before while I was a moderator, and Stacey was always involved with it on the  upper end. The mods do the main reporting back in their forums.
As long as there is internet this will happen. I doubt this site would survive if they had to have satff monitoring  the www for all stolen images from here.
It is like asking why do people break windows or steal cars. It's going to happen...governments can't control it either.

 More to note that it is also the same offence to copy and paste emails or personal messages. The same goes for  taking a screen capture of this site with my image on it and posting it in a forum elsewhere.
Can you imagine....some of these very members who want their work protected, yet do it themselves.The irony of it. I think they should be dealt with the same as staff  are  right now dealing with this issue.

But as Gradient said, and  I  have before,

Quote - This brings us right back to what I have been saying for some time here.....if you post anything...it will likely get stolen.  And that will continue to happen unless you make it more difficult.

This is so correct.

I know we all would like our images to look as good as we can, but the only real way to stop it is to write your name over the middle of the image and perhaps in other places.
There is also ways to script images that when a thumb is clicked to enlarge, and other click on the image closes it. This makes it only available to a screen capture, therefore making a certain population  unable to save it as.
The ones who will get it know the ways around it.
There could be stricter enforcement of first time offenders caught within the site posting copyright images.They may get some of the offenders, but as they are,another is just around the corner.
 @kjpweb.. yeah...I agree , this is epidemic and  perhaps there should be some meetings held to try and come up with some strategies.Because it is nice to have a community site to share artwork at.
 But it is almost like asking the police to go investigate someone who steals the car stereo. In this city it ain't gonna happen.

I won't be around this planet long enough to spend too much time worrying if someone grabbed an image from me.But if I ever change that train of thought, then silent and vigilant is the way.

"The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions."



Star4mation ( ) posted Wed, 13 December 2006 at 10:42 PM

I just had a quick look at the site and on the first page I found  la forteresse noire pour jeanpepe I reconised right away as Jeanpepe in on my Fave Artists list. It was posted (stolen) by gdmora.

If it ain't free, I can't afford it.


erlandpil ( ) posted Thu, 14 December 2006 at 12:59 AM

Hi
Can some tell me what I do with this here
erland
erlandpil


CaperGirl42 ( ) posted Thu, 14 December 2006 at 1:17 AM

Just wanted to let you guys know that I found a work that I did- they said that it was by Caspergirl ir think it was - it isn't even me....I hate that you have to become a member to even look at your stolen artwork....

it takes all kinds!!!

@nne


erlandpil ( ) posted Thu, 14 December 2006 at 1:44 AM

Can someone give me an adress to this side ther use the picture
erland


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