blinks

as to the copyright thing....my work is what I call "sig mapped" I actually keep a copy of said map per picture. it shows where my hidden marks are and what layer they are at etc etc etc...
THEN I have a HUGE signature on it. every time I post I proclaim that it is copyrighted and NOT for use PERIOD. that if they wish use they have to contact me and permission is NEVER given over email.

WHAT ELSE IS AN ARTIST TO DO?
we have a right to display out work where WE choose it to be.
the cop out of if it can be stolen it will be? would you be so flippant if your car was taken?

Quote - would you be so flippant if your car was taken?

I'm sorry, are you suggesting I was flippant in my post, or are you directing that remark toward another?

It would be better if you used the quote feature so as to not create confusion in this thread.

If you're replying to me, I'd like you to point out where I was being "flippant" in my remark.

flip·pant    /ˈflɪpənt [flip-uhnt]–adjective

1. frivolously disrespectful, shallow, or lacking in seriousness; characterized by levity: The audience was shocked by his flippant remarks about patriotism.

"While you own the copyright of all original work without question, once that work has been "published" you are required to register it and include a copyright notice on the work.

If you do not believe that the work has, or will ever have, pecuniary value and are merely publishing it for others to appreciate, then you are, in a way, culpable of relinquishing your rights if you do not include a copyright notice. Whereas, in actuality, you still retain those rights, it is somewhat more difficult to recoup moneys for illegal use. "

this is very misleading and not all together accurate. a victim of a crime cannot be held culpable for the crime committed against them. if i leave my front door open i may be foolish but i'm certainly not culpable. it is illegal to steal anothers work no matter what pecuniary value it has. the work in question doesn't even need to be marked copyrighted to be protected under the law. actuaaly copyrighting a work makes it easier for judgement because it states when it was copyrighted which precludes anyone at a lter date saying they did it. if yiu have proof of when you made the artwork there's littel difference beteen a registered work and a non registered work.

billy

Am I the only one who is noticing that there is a direct link to Renderosity right on Xwalls homepage??????
Does that mean they are linked up with RR by permission?????

Personally, I wouldn't mind the use they are trying to get across on that site if they did it appropriately. If they are going to use our pictures then they should be posting the artist name and where they got the picture. Plus a copyright statement in spanish right there under the picture.

I also agree that it seems we need to take further steps to protect our photos here on RR.

I also wanted to thank Ulla for all her hard work, your a doll!!!!

@fuaho; You said;

"Why did you post your images without an embedded, impossible to remove copyright notice?"
"For even better protection on works that you would like to sell, embed a digital watermark through a service like digimarc in addition to the copyright notice."

The big problem here is that "invisible, embedded" copyright notice will do NOTHING to prevent the type of image theft just experienced.  The images will have still been ripped and would still have appeared on the other site.  What these services do is they provide a method to PROVE that you are the copyright holder.
Some provide online tracking services that do give some method of notification of use however they are not perfect.  Nor do any of the embedded copyright notices help once the image has been printed and sold.

You also said: **"It is not up to Renderosity to put a copyright notice on works you post here as they are your works, not Rendos"
**Agreed....although it should be in Renderosity's interest to help minimize image theft from its members and its site....If people just come here to rip the works of others, at some point people will stop uploading their work.

@Bentchick: you're right, there is a direct link to Renderosity on the Xwall frontpage... I never noticed that. Question to the mods or admins: :b_confused: Is the Xwall site in some way sponsored or supported by Renderosity..?? :b_confused: All sorts of questions and half conclusions jump into mind... But it's best to wait until that question has been answered. Please, can someone come up with a plausible answer..?

The only way that an embedded copyright or other form of copyright is going to work is if you plan to sue the person who has stolen.   I workded for many years as a graphic designer in an ad agency in San Franisco and we had someone steal the " Mock Up " that we did in our proposal to them. We found it in a magazine, and were able to sue.  I dont know if it works differently or not for work done for a person that is stolen or not.........But I do know that the only difference that copyrights or watermarks make is in a court of law.  I just yesterday found an image on there by Donakuka that was dedicated to me.  I saw no mention of her name as the artist, altho the Title included my Rosity name.   I decided to save the file to my hard drive so I could check it on rosity and I found that the name of the .jpg included the Title and DonaKuka's name as the artist.  Confusing at best......

Holy Moly...I never noticed that link either?! Just perfect...and no, Rendo doesn't have any ties with them that Im aware of....

terradreamer I was speaking to fuaho
sorry about that.~.~

I wrote to the admin to find out about that link...

Oh man, this is making my head spin. I am fairly sure that RR isn't endorsing this site in any way. To me, those links look like a road map to the 'supermarket' where these folks can go and lift work. A shopping list or menu if you like seeings as how they have dA and digitalart.org and others there too.

i do ot know this site xwall and did not give permission for these images

I have emailed the site and demanded the Renderosity banner be removed immediately. I gave them 24 hours so we'll see what happens.  We did NOT give them permission to put the banner up on their frontpage (probably none of those sites did) and they are not a part of our LinkShare program cause if they were, I would just delete it:)

FYI

Thanks for the answer, Stacey, that's good (and important) to know... and a big relief.

And now, Ladies and Gentlemen.....stepping up to bat....Renderosity!......although not for the "team"....for themselves....

You know, as I was browsing this particular site, I couldn't help but wonder if these assholes realized that if they spent as much time actually producing their OWN work as they do ripping off the work of others and posting it elsewhere, they might actually feel pride in themselves.  Pride was obviously something never taught them by the animal that calved them.

@Terradreamer;

**"Pride was obviously something never taught them by the animal that calved them."

ROTFLMAO!

**Actually, I think their mother should have eaten them while their bones were still soft.....

Quote - Actually, I think their mother should have eaten them while their bones were still soft.....

Oh, I agree, and then made sure she crapped outside her den.

:b_overwhelmed:

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:lol:

Quote - And now, Ladies and Gentlemen.....stepping up to bat....Renderosity!......although not for the "team"....for themselves....

You have to understand that we are NOT the copyright holders so therefore are hands are tied legally on what we can do. We have given you as much information as we can to help you (the copyright holders). 

The reason we can contact them about the banner is because on that WE ARE the copyright holders.

And believe me, I had a few words to them on why they don't have permission to use our banner because of what some of their members were doing with some of our members photos:(

Sounds logical enough to me..;o))

Attached Link: Best of Renderosity DVD rip?

Further to your post above.....
Quote: **"We have given you as much information as we can to help you (the copyright holders). "
**There is much more that could be done to help....shall I give you more suggestions?

1. How about a page that gives members the step by step instructions on how to deal with sites that rip?
2. How about a template cease and desist letter?... Remember not all members are conversant in the English language or "legalese"
3. How about an official statement from Renderosity regarding this and other current  ripping incidents?....even if it just says you can't do anything legally...or what you can do...
4. How about suggestions to members on what THEY can do to minimize ripping of their images?
5. How about addressing what Renderosity is doing, can do, or can't do to minimize ripping?

More?....I've got lots more.....but, come on, surely you have staff that are much more creative than I am.

Just an FYI, Stacey is not in the Rendo office today..

gradient

Since I am not the copyright agent here at Renderosity, you would need to pose those questions to either the Copyright forum or contact directly the email, copyrights@renderosity.com 

But even though I'm not the copyright agent, I do know that as the copyright holder of your images, we can't speak on your behalf legally. We are limited as to what we can do which is what I was stating above.

Any additional questions or concerns, please submit to the copyright agent for Renderosity by either posting in the copyright forum or emailing the address I gave you above.

And just to note, they did take down our banner as I requested within the 24 hour timeframe I gave them.

my pants are the product of copyright theft, can someone ask me to take them down please :P

any news on the suggestion forum stacey  if we had one some of gradients ideas could go in it.

as for the admin and other peoples copyrights what you say makes sense to me.

gradient. maybe you could do a tut as to how someone should act upon infringement and ask if they'd put it in the copyright forum. anyone who then has a prob could be guided to it, it could include everything you suggested. if i knew enough about c.r i'd do it myself. 

billy

@Billy423uk....I'd love to put up a tutorial on it...but, I am as much as a loss as to what to do in these cases as the rest of us here....That is why I am asking Rendo to provide some guidance in this area.
But it looks like I'm the lonely voice here so, I guess no one cares.....

gradient,

Why would you say that? I gave you direction on who to contact to possibly help with some of your suggestions? Copyright laws are a very tricky thing and I am certainly no expert but if you pose your concerns or questions to the right area at Renderosity you can get more accurate answers/response regarding copyright issues.

@gradient
thank you for your pn.and your reference on xwall the side of pictures by me were stolen .

so i have register me on the xwall,but adminestrator does not de-energise me. 
can me someone help please ?

thanks so much 

asmendia

I lost my membership after leaving comments about copyright underneath some images and have not been allowed to re-register. I think they are being very careful over there.

Hohoho Kort; didn't I see you reappear as 2_pints (or something) then..? ;o))

I tried...but it won't let me on under that name either. :) I also tried as RR_Police...wonder why that one didn't get through...lol.

No respect for police these days... tsss :closedeyes:

I even dont get in at all, can't reach the site, says it may be down or busy...anyone else who got this message?

Mermaid, I can't get the site up either (09:20 GMT) 
Good news!!! ?

I do not come also on the side

O.o I cant get to the site either it says page cant be displayed.

Welcome to the "I've been banned from Xwall club"   Kort..

They banned me rather quickly..perhaps the renderosity e mail addy was a giveaway.......

If I recall, the domain was set to expire soon..maybe the host declined to give them a contract..

gee that would be too bad wouldn't it..

Now, if we could do the same on that Russian site..

:lol: Welcome in the banned-land companie Bruce because me too... I need to test with my cellular phone, or I think this web  is died...

No, i cannot ... xwall died

Aye Valou, they closed it down.... a great sucess I would say... now its up to us to have an eye on the net to be aware of any new sprouts of this type of sites...smile

yes... i think so too

What a pity... there were some really great images there... (snuggle, hihihi)

Great images ? Yes, normal with the image from artists of planet RR :lol:

FYI, I came across this message from the ClickTelecom team, the telecommunications group that bought MetropoliGlobal, the hosting company of Xwall: " Hola Debido a una serie de problemas que se han presentado en la plataforma, vamos a realizar una desconexi completa de metropoliglobal.es para poder solventarlos. No podemos estimar el tiempo que ta desconexi llevar ni podemos comunicaros cada una de nuestras acciones. A asprocuraremos responderos a vuestras dudas en esta misma direcci de correo. Saludos Equipo ClickTelecom " It seems that ClickTelecom has completely 'disconnected' the whole MetropoliGlobal host network... but they say that it was due to a series of problems on the platform. They say that they can't estimate how long the disconnection will take... Obviously, that's the reason why we can't connect to the Xwall site anymore: the whole hosting site is down...

oh, ClickTelecom sound me something... I'm go to see that...

Seems there is a second one out there as well..cant get in there either, but thought I'd make everyone aware of it just in case it pops back up

www.metropoli2000.com

Dang, I was hoping that it was us that closed down XWall. Thanks for the head's up Jumpy.