I realy looked forward to the 25 dec .thing you had sticked to the front page..
I was realy realy curious what you come up with...
Well i was Real Realy disapointed ....

I thought that it whould for once be something that did not needed any purchase...
It does and thats your right to do it and i think it will make 25 buyers happy.

I Removed my FreeBee's from this site ..
Why, well for a site that talks BIG about the HUGE amount of FREEBEE's in there Adverts 
It does absolutly NOTHING  for the people who put them here...
Your site make a big name with OUR freestuff and you do absolutely nothing in return....
When all FB providers did this you whould be in serious trouble ...think about it for once.

I realy thought you whould do something for everybody and specialy for those Non Vendors who put the freestuff here..

Its a pitty ..

May 2007 be a better year for all, and specialy for them  who realy give for free..

Chris 
"new freebee's may come in 2007"

I was hoping any special class of freebie or an spectacular item, but not another coupon or a typical 'buy first and then we'll give you... '   :(

They needed ELVES, plural, to come up with that one? ~lmao~

I was hoping any special class of freebie or an spectacular item, but not another coupon or a typical 'buy first and then we'll give you... '   :(

Damn im so happy you say that .. i was starting to think im a grumpy xmass pooper...

But im not the only one who thinks like this..i got personel Email about it from peeps who dont want to come out and say it here.
But im not alone anymore :}

Chris
and yes something like that was in my mind too "a super thingy for all" 

This is the reason because I don't like the Xmas Giveaway at DAZ3D... a freebie is THAT if it's a standalone figure or prop. If it's a freebie for a commertial figure is less freebie (WHATEVERYOUWANT for v3). If it's a freebie for anything commertian which also is for a commertial figure is lesser freebie (CUTETEXTURE for MEGAGIGAOUTFIT for V3). The most money you need to spend to use the freebie, the minor utilization of the 'freebie' word

But a coupon which starts to work ONLY when you do a buy... you are buying a freebie. And furthermore a random freebie. So as I have no new buys in schedule since P7 and V4 (my poor VISA cries and cries) ... bye bye big deal  :(

Rendo did absolutely nothing? What about the 12 Days of Christmas Treasure Hunt?

Some pretty nifty 'freebies' were given away

I agree jumpstartme2, 'rosity always gives away loads of freebies at Christmastime, and even if you read the "advertising" for the "25 gift" there's nothing overtly misleading...I just think that (and this is a personal opinion only, obviously) it was over-hyped, and people's perception of the so-called "gifts" was lifted too high by the ad copy.

Regarding the "commercial add-on" type thingies, I'll quote you an excerpt from a post of mine at PlanIt 3D if I may...

*Here's the thing...If I walk into a regular high street shop/store and they offer me something for "free" it's probably going a "thank you" for purchasing one of their products previously, or to encourage me to buy something in the near future, that's how it works. Why on earth do we expect it to work any different in the realms of 3D?

If I'd actually bought the V3 supersplurgy combat gear I'd be extremely happy that the merchant who produced it was gifting me a set of 15 electro-bang weapons to go with the suit, or a set of 12 camo textures for it.
If I didn't already buy the suit, maybe the added incentive of those freebies would entice me to do so...which is what the merchant is aiming at, either boosting sales or saying thanks for a previous purchase and letting me know that if I stick with their products I can look forward to a similar level of gratitude or support.

I can understand how that works, and if I was a commercial person myself I'd probably try to tie users into my stuff instead of giving it all away for free like I do now.

I think the problem here is, just what I said at the start.  People's expectations were raised, and the offer fell WAY short of those expectations.

Just my  $0.02 as ever. 

We also had the freebies that the vendors donate to for the Community every year as well which had a wonderful amount of goodies that everyone could download.

Here's a way to get your Christmas spirit back, BAR-CODE.  Go buy an inexpensive but warm coat at a discount department store.  Go find a homeless person, hand him the coat and wish him a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

The personal reward you'll gain from that will be better than any freebie you'll get out of Renderosity.

There are people out there who are so poor they can't even afford to be selfish.

Merry Christmas :)

Aside from the good points others have already made,

I'd like too know which one of the ptb came up with this idead, and why they, felt it nessicary, or needed that we "the community"

qoute:  "Tomorrow, December 25th, is a chance for the entire community to give back to their favorite vendors."

We already gave them our money. 

What more do these "vendors" want or need given back?

Our first born children too?

Rather than billing this as "spreading some holiday cheer" it should have been billed as  "spreading the grinch's greed."

*"Tomorrow, December 25th, is a chance for the entire community to give back to their favorite vendors."

*OMG did it really say that? 

Unbelievable.

I'm absolutely agree with the Freebies Stravaganza. It's great. But better to finish the Rendo generosity there. If you announce as 'The Big End' a matter than finally is 'buy, buy, but, and perhaps you would receive...' we are under the same commertial spirit than... all the year :lol:

The merchants donate their freebies -> an authentic generosity and  Spirit Of Christmas

Baah. Forget it. Tofay is Christmas Day. God Bless To All

I  was expecting something big to be haphening on here today 'cos I kinda remember reading about something happening today but I gotta say I'm kinda lost as to what it is or was and to be honest I musta missed something 'cos I don't have a clue what you guys are on about, too much Christmas spirit!!!!!!!!!

Ah! I have seen it now, that's a bit of a bummer 'cos I spent $5 yesterday or the day before, guess I should have waited because the purchase wasn't really needed that particular day!!!

Stacey Wrote:
We also had the freebies that the vendors donate to for the Community every year as well which had a wonderful amount of goodies that everyone could download.

WE ? Now  thats exactly my point!!!  not YOU as in "RENDEROSITY site and store owners " but the VENDORS gave them!!
You R'o site always talk as in WE the vendors or WE the freestuff porviders and WE the comunity... You are not those things, You are the Money earning part of this site..
The parts that makes money from advertising 10.000's of Freebee's from other Not money making persons..
You shoud do more for them who make this Comunity what it is .. and thats not the vendors and believe me i realy wish them loads of ca$h in 2007..
You always try to make us belive You are part of the comunity and your not...
If you whould like to Read the comments on the frontpage item of the 25 dec. item...

Allmost all  the mail/repleys to it where thinking your gonna GIVE em somthing nice and Big...
What did you give em ..Nothing you ASKED from them to spent more money into you vault..
Thats not Xmass spirit that A sweepstake.. THATS MY POINT!

You made an advertisement like your gonna give away "V4" or G2 Males"  for free
something big ..and is was not ELVES who came up with this one its was you Commercial manager who did it....

I will state again i like the R'o community i just dont like the way the owners of the site try to mix community with sweepstake's like this

Chris 
 

seasonal affective disorder is a fairly well-noted phenomenon in places where a religious holiday is accompanied by tremendous peer pressure (and advertising pressure) to buy merchandise. hence, at this time of year, folks are often depressed, as well. personally I don't demand that any of these poser-related sites to give us anything. very generous of them if they do, of course, for which I'm grateful. but after years of xmas give-aways, I have so many DVDs full of freebies that I decided to slack off this time, and not worry about who's giving away what to whom.

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Dang, and here I thought the staff was part of this place...we must be ghosts.

Ya know, I dont get what is so confusing about the FP article.....

The vendors gave away freebies {Im assuming this was products they normally sell} all month long,"The season of giving is upon us, and ALL month long Renderosity Vendors have been giving gifts of FREE digital delights for the entire community to enjoy"

Then the memberbase is given an opportunity to give something back to their fave vendors by making purchases, and standing to win a gift certificate while doing so  " Tomorrow, December 25th, is a chance for the entire community to give back to their favorite vendors.Everyone that makes a purchase on Christmas Day will have a chance to receive a $25.00 Renderosity Gift Certificate

Whats more, 25 members could win a 25 dollar GC just for spending as little as 5 bucks.....thats 20 bucks worth of items for free. And there are those who will spend 5 bucks on any given day, be it the 25th or any other day of the year {oh and that includes the staff..they buy stuff too {who'da thunk?}..altho Im not sure they were eligible to win anything

Regardless, I just dont get it....vendors gave away free items, I figure they deserve something in return...and even then the customers still have a chance to win more free items.

I guess I could have offered my first born son...but since he's 20 yrs old, he might have put up a fight if I tried to slap a postage stamp on his forehead and forced him into a mailbox...:laugh:
 

and remember that a lot of the staff members (myself included) are vendors and freestuff providers. So saying "we" on those things is appropriate.

I think also you have to remember that "non-vendors" also give stuff away for free all year, people that make no money at all because they don't have a store here or anywhere else, they do it for their own reasons I guess as have I.

There is no doubt that some peeps were confused by the article and expected some kind of gift, that seems very clear I think, you have to remember also that English isn't everyone's native tongue, was it posted in other languages? I don't know because I didn't really read it properly myself and that isn't a sleight against the admins, you all know how I support you all the time, I just didn't bother at the time!

Okay ..so my way of telling you what i feel is wrong?! ..
And i do understand that vendors and admins have to defend the site..
But come on.. reading the repley to the FP item ..everybody who put one there ..had a realy diffrent idea about what was comming...

And what Jumpstart make is a complete 180 on reality ..its almost funny...
Now we have to give them more money .. for the freebee...they made as a thank you for the cutomers... you made it realy realy funny....

Well HERE is one for you ..let RENDEROSITY ,GIVE the peeps who make tut's and help others in the forums and who make "REAL" Freestuff  some CASH ... just because its X-mass

This is not agains moderators or Vendors ..
This was a point made to the owners and Comercial part of the site ..that has NO feeling for real X-mass spirit otherwise you just cant come up with this idea.... 

I totally forgot about the December 25th thingy.

I've read through this whole thread and can see both points of view.

I look at Renderosity as a shopping mall in my home of sorts.  Each area of the site offers something different or some form of entertainment.

• The MP  is the store where I can go and buy something.
• The free area is the  "thrift" area  which gives away lots of great free stuff.
• The FAQ and Tutorial areas are like the public library where I can go and get free information.
• The Gallery is like a free theater or art gallery where I can go for entertainment.
• The Chat when it's back up is like a coffee shop to socialize in real time.
• The Forums are a mixed venue of all of the above.

When you frequent a shopping mall and it's various parts, even if it's owned by one corporation, you don't expect that shopping mall owner to give away free merchandise to every single customer that ever walked through their doors.   That's a sure way into bankruptcy.  Besides, some people could just use the mall as a place to power walk or as a short cut to get to another street when it's cold outside.

I don't know for sure how many total members this site has, but I heard 250,000. Now let's say that 100,000 of those are actually "active" members and have logged in somewhere on the site within the last 3 months (persuming that 3 months is the accepted time period between being considered active and inactive). Let's keep in mind that not all of those 100,000 may be MP patrons. Some could just be gallery viewers.

Ok, now let's say that Renderosity sent out emails with a $5.00 gift certificate to each of those 100,000 members. That's $500,000.00!!! A half a million bucks!!!!!!!! That's not chump change!

Now I know some will say, but it's "Virtual": it's not like they are  really giving away money and it's not really costing them anything if they gave a $5.00 gift certificate to their members. However, that's not true. Everything in the MP has a tangible value on paper and the monies that are spent in the MP are split down the middle between the Merchant and Renderosity (the company). Giving away a simple $5.00 gift certificate to 100,000 of it's most recently active members would still affect the company's bottom line in a big way!

Oh, and let's not forget those membes who were perhaps not active for 3 months and 1 day and missed the "cut off" to qualify for that $5.00 gift certificate and now feel slighted and have hurt feelings because they were left out.

The other option would have been for Renderosity to hold a "random draw" in order to give away the 25 gift certificats of $25.00.  Not really a viable option for a large website IMHO.

I can see a shopping mall offering a no purchase necessary draw but every draw that I've ever seen like that in an actual  mall required the entrant to be present at the time of the draw.  That's well and good in an actual shopping mall. If you're in the mall chances are you are spending money, even if it's on an ice cream or a cup of coffee or parking. The purpose of a mall offering a random draw is just a way for them to draw people into the mall and to promote sales. While you don't have to buy anything most people will buy something if they are in a store.

However, how do you do that on a website? This site has hundreds of thousands of members, but how many are actually active members? How many memberships are actually alias accounts of existing members?  How many members even buy anything from here? Many people just sign up to view the galleries  or to be able to post in the forums to ask questions etc.  TBH that's why I joined initially. I knew someone who used Poser and was always sending me links to pictures that I couldn't see until I became a member.

In order for Renderosity, or any large site to conduct a "draw" they would have to have some way of determining indiviual, active members. What better way than having them log into the MP and buy something? Can't get more active than that.

If they were to just randomly pick 25 people from all of the memberships here, some people could end up getting more than one prize because of multiple accounts, or the prize would go to waste on a member that wasn't active here anymore...and we know there are thousands of those, or it could end up going to someone who is only a member because they wanted to view someone's pretty pictures.

Some merchants and non-merchants offered 4 weeks of Christmas freebies.  There was a nice variety of things and looked to me to be something for everyone. They didn't have to do that, but they did out of the goodness of their hearts.  It wasn't a Renderosity (the company) thing, it was a Renderosity (the community) thing.

Renderosity themselves (the company) had the Treasure Hunt and gave away some really great prizes to those who were patient enough and lucky enough to be the first to find the icon and submit the location. I don't have patience for stuff like that, especially when I know that the hours I spent looking wasn't a guaranteed yield of something in the end. But I was happy for those who did participate and coveted the top spots!

Threads like this really dismay me. :(  

The Christmas season has taken on such a greedy tone over the years and now it's finding it's way into the virtual world.  Everyone wants more and more and nothing is ever good enough.  Forgive me if  I ramble on a bit here.  When I was 12 years old I was thrilled one year to get a jewelery box, a pair of ice skates, a bottle cutting kit  and a pair of slippers and pj's. I thought I made off like a bandit! Try giving that stuff to a 12 year old today!  Today kids want that stuff PLUS TV's, stereos, computers, game consoles, designer clothing...all things costing hundreds of dollars!!!!

It's been my experience that the more you give the more people want and the more they come to expect. 

I'm very grateful for all that Renderosity as a company and as a community has done for us.

Please, don't let the greed of the season make you feel slighted or unappreciated.  Be grateful for what you have and what you got and what you get from the community as a whole. :)

Quote - I guess I could have offered my first born son...but since he's 20 yrs old, he might have put up a fight if I tried to slap a postage stamp on his forehead and forced him into a mailbox...:laugh:
 

Hmm!  20?!  Is he cute?  Does he like older women?    I could be Demi and he could be my Ashton!     :biggrin:  

Darn, it won't let me edit my post!

Anyway, I wanted to add to my earlier post that I'm not negating your right to feel as you do. Your feelings are very valid and you have every right to feel any way you wish. That's one of the great things about being human.   However, you removing your freebies from here in order to punish Renderosity (the company) for their perceived ingenerous spirit  at Christmas, is only really punishing the members of Renderosity (the community)  who are caught in the cross fire of your wrath. 

Acadia: I don't think anyone would disagree with what you said, also no one would expect Rendo to give away a voucher to every single member which incidentally is nearer 400,000 at the last count AFAIK.

I do think that some were misled by the promotion, offer whatever you want to call it by the simple fact it wasn't read properly including me I have to say [Oops] and of course that is entirely not Rendo's fault!

But I have to say there is also no reason that I can see to say Thanx to the merchants and I mean no disrespect here, there are many fine merchants here and I for one am exteremely grateful to them because I can't model "jack shit" to save my life and freebies are always welcome, but let's face it the better ones sell a lot of product and collectively we, the customer spend  shed loads of cash here and elsewhere on their products! I am very greatful for all the freebies all year but I already spend enough and more on merchants stuff and I don't feel I need to do extra at Christmas, there are other places I prefer to support like our local Childrens Hospice for example!

As for me, well I have given stuff for free too, maybe not terrific stuff but I know they've been used, do I expect thanx? No I don't, i do it because i want to and I bet if you asked, most of the merchants would say the same!

I mean no malice here, i think the whole thread has arisen due to confusion because either it wasn't written well or some of us didn't read it properly, who cares really, there are far worse things happening in the World!!!

Quote - I totally forgot about the December 25th thingy.

I've read through this whole thread and can see both points of view.

I look at Renderosity as a shopping mall in my home of sorts.  Each area of the site offers something different or some form of entertainment.

• The MP  is the store where I can go and buy something.
• The free area is the  "thrift" area  which gives away lots of great free stuff.
• The FAQ and Tutorial areas are like the public library where I can go and get free information.
• The Gallery is like a free theater or art gallery where I can go for entertainment.
• The Chat when it's back up is like a coffee shop to socialize in real time.
• The Forums are a mixed venue of all of the above.

When you frequent a shopping mall and it's various parts, even if it's owned by one corporation, you don't expect that shopping mall owner to give away free merchandise to every single customer that ever walked through their doors.   That's a sure way into bankruptcy.  Besides, some people could just use the mall as a place to power walk or as a short cut to get to another street when it's cold outside.

I don't know for sure how many total members this site has, but I heard 250,000. Now let's say that 100,000 of those are actually "active" members and have logged in somewhere on the site within the last 3 months (persuming that 3 months is the accepted time period between being considered active and inactive). Let's keep in mind that not all of those 100,000 may be MP patrons. Some could just be gallery viewers.

Ok, now let's say that Renderosity sent out emails with a $5.00 gift certificate to each of those 100,000 members. That's $500,000.00!!! A half a million bucks!!!!!!!! That's not chump change!

Now I know some will say, but it's "Virtual": it's not like they are  really giving away money and it's not really costing them anything if they gave a $5.00 gift certificate to their members. However, that's not true. Everything in the MP has a tangible value on paper and the monies that are spent in the MP are split down the middle between the Merchant and Renderosity (the company). Giving away a simple $5.00 gift certificate to 100,000 of it's most recently active members would still affect the company's bottom line in a big way!

Oh, and let's not forget those membes who were perhaps not active for 3 months and 1 day and missed the "cut off" to qualify for that $5.00 gift certificate and now feel slighted and have hurt feelings because they were left out.

The other option would have been for Renderosity to hold a "random draw" in order to give away the 25 gift certificats of $25.00.  Not really a viable option for a large website IMHO.

I can see a shopping mall offering a no purchase necessary draw but every draw that I've ever seen like that in an actual  mall required the entrant to be present at the time of the draw.  That's well and good in an actual shopping mall. If you're in the mall chances are you are spending money, even if it's on an ice cream or a cup of coffee or parking. The purpose of a mall offering a random draw is just a way for them to draw people into the mall and to promote sales. While you don't have to buy anything most people will buy something if they are in a store.

However, how do you do that on a website? This site has hundreds of thousands of members, but how many are actually active members? How many memberships are actually alias accounts of existing members?  How many members even buy anything from here? Many people just sign up to view the galleries  or to be able to post in the forums to ask questions etc.  TBH that's why I joined initially. I knew someone who used Poser and was always sending me links to pictures that I couldn't see until I became a member.

In order for Renderosity, or any large site to conduct a "draw" they would have to have some way of determining indiviual, active members. What better way than having them log into the MP and buy something? Can't get more active than that.

If they were to just randomly pick 25 people from all of the memberships here, some people could end up getting more than one prize because of multiple accounts, or the prize would go to waste on a member that wasn't active here anymore...and we know there are thousands of those, or it could end up going to someone who is only a member because they wanted to view someone's pretty pictures.

Some merchants and non-merchants offered 4 weeks of Christmas freebies.  There was a nice variety of things and looked to me to be something for everyone. They didn't have to do that, but they did out of the goodness of their hearts.  It wasn't a Renderosity (the company) thing, it was a Renderosity (the community) thing.

Renderosity themselves (the company) had the Treasure Hunt and gave away some really great prizes to those who were patient enough and lucky enough to be the first to find the icon and submit the location. I don't have patience for stuff like that, especially when I know that the hours I spent looking wasn't a guaranteed yield of something in the end. But I was happy for those who did participate and coveted the top spots!

Threads like this really dismay me. :(  

The Christmas season has taken on such a greedy tone over the years and now it's finding it's way into the virtual world.  Everyone wants more and more and nothing is ever good enough.  Forgive me if  I ramble on a bit here.  When I was 12 years old I was thrilled one year to get a jewelery box, a pair of ice skates, a bottle cutting kit  and a pair of slippers and pj's. I thought I made off like a bandit! Try giving that stuff to a 12 year old today!  Today kids want that stuff PLUS TV's, stereos, computers, game consoles, designer clothing...all things costing hundreds of dollars!!!!

It's been my experience that the more you give the more people want and the more they come to expect. 

I'm very grateful for all that Renderosity as a company and as a community has done for us.

Please, don't let the greed of the season make you feel slighted or unappreciated.  Be grateful for what you have and what you got and what you get from the community as a whole. :)

I have placed the things I'd like to respond too in bold.

Bold point one: 

True acadia, but the shopping mall also doesn't ask you too "give something back" after you've spent your money on its merchants either.

What rosity did, in my own opinion, is more akin too the following.

After being led to believe there will be some sort of gas deal, you pull into the BP, you walk into the little store, where you are informed that there is no gas deal, it'll be full price, so you give the clerk who's sitting there on a little stool your money too pay for your gas, then go out and stand out in the cold pumping your own gas, and then have BP ask that the clerk who did absolutely nothing for you but take your money, be given a tip or "something back". 

And all that despite the fact, that the clerk doesn't get too keep the tip, because BP takes half of it.

Bold point 2: Why is a random drawing not a viable option? Daz did it.

Bold point 3: Yeah it is, with Renderosity right out in front leading the charge!

Quote - there are far worse things happening in the World!!!

I agree. There are many in the world, especially 3rd world countries who were lucky if they got something to eat! 

It's so easy when you live in an industrialized country built on democracy and capitalism to lose sight of what's really important.

Oh well. I guess I try to look at life as a glass half full instead of half empty.  It takes far too much energy to dwell on the negative so I try to focus on the positive in a situation.

As I said, I wasn't negating anyone's right to feel slighted. I was merely offering up a different view.

As for the "give something back to the merchants" comment in the description of the Christmas Day thing, I do agree that adding that to the description was a bit brazen. However, I also believe that it was meant in the spirit of the season and not in a malicious way to slight people.  Unfortunately some people have decided to focus and dwell  on that one aspect of it instead of looking at it as just being a chance to get in on a draw or more free items.

So far as "giving back to the merchants", you can look at it in one of two ways:

1.  as a way to pad Renderosity's (the company) pocket. 

2.  giving a merchant the benefit of a profit, kind of like money in a greeting card. However in order to do that through the MP, the contract is that Renderosity (the company) gets 1/2.

I'm sure the comment in the description was a way to encourage you to help out your favourite merchant, and not primarily a way to generate more income for Renderosity (the company).  Yes, Renderosity (the company) did benefit, but so did the merchants.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that.

I dunno... might just be my ears, but what I hear is, "I was promised a toy. Since I didn't get one, I'm taking my toys and going home."

Golly, I havn't heard something like that since my kids were, oh, six or seven years old, at least.

As for the title of the thread, if this took away your Christmas spirit, Chris, I'm left wondering how much you had in the first place.

However, as Acadia said so well, please continue to complain; I in no way want to abrogate your right to do so.

Well cjack i can care shit about a new toy ... thats not what this is about.
And about my Xmass spirit ..... believe me i have it..and people will see it when the time comes.
And the comparing me to your brats.. sure what ever....

Nobody has to agree with me ..but by the private mails im getting .. a lot agree with me but dont dare to say it "what does that tell you"

But i'll leave it at this .. i hope 2007 is a better year for all of us...

The problem is in the wording, IMHO. It wasn't touted as a contest but in the end that's what it was.

No big deal in my book.

And there are far worse things...

BTW, Rafa, The Daz giveaway this year has a number of stand alone pieces and figures or textures that work with the freebies in the giveaway.

Quote - Well cjack i can care shit about a new toy ... thats not what this is about.

Yeah, it really is. I'd use a simpler analogy, but I can't think of one off of the top of my head. Oh, well.

Quote - And about my Xmass spirit ..... believe me i have it..and people will see it when the time comes.

Well, thats a relief... I'm glad you found it again.

Quote - And the comparing me to your brats.. sure what ever....

I'll assume that by "brats" you mean "darling angels". On the other hand, I know them pretty well, so maybe "brats" is closer to the mark. :lol: However, I'll sum up the actions you took: You set your own expectation of what the advertised item would be, you pulled all of your free stuff so that nobody could play with your toys (sorry, your high quality 3D products; is that a better description?). It seems to me, and again, my opinion only, that you "took your toys and went home". I'm guess you'll be offering them at another web site at some point in the future, so that everyone can know that you aren't the bad guy. Just guessing.

Quote - Nobody has to agree with me ..but by the private mails im getting .. a lot agree with me but dont dare to say it "what does that tell you"

It tells me they don't have the courage of their convictions, if they have any convictions at all. At least you came out and spoke up about what you felt. I applaud that. I do wonder, though, what difference it makes if anyone agrees with you? Do you feel as though your point isn't very valid, and that it needs some bolstering by being part of a crowd? Personally, I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. I think you threw a tantrum, and I'm calling you on it. End of story.

Quote - But i'll leave it at this .. i hope 2007 is a better year for all of us...

Man, me too... way to much death and destruction in 2006 for my taste. I'm lookig forward to happier times ahead, and I hope as much of that heads your way as possible, too.

Quote - I dunno... might just be my ears, but what I hear is, "I was promised a toy. Since I didn't get one, I'm taking my toys and going home."

Golly, I havn't heard something like that since my kids were, oh, six or seven years old, at least.

As for the title of the thread, if this took away your Christmas spirit, Chris, I'm left wondering how much you had in the first place.

However, as Acadia said so well, please continue to complain; I in no way want to abrogate your right to do so.

I'm just curious, how much does rendo  pay ya?

By the way don't bother too respond, the question was rhetorical.

Quote - Nobody has to agree with me ..but by the private mails im getting .. a lot agree with me but dont dare to say it "what does that tell you"

That tells me, that they are askeered too voice their opinions here.

Now why on earth would that be?

Maybe my english is not good enough so you can understand what my point realy is.
And you can make fun of my freestuff and call 'em what everyou like...
And because you can say all kind of great wordt in english.. and im not so good in it,
i will repley in dutch and you repley to me back in dutch ... and then see how well you get your mind into words ....

Mijn punt is dat deze site alleen denkt aan poen en nog eens poen en nooit eens aan de mensen die gewoon voor nix een ander helpen.
Zo eens per jaar was een gebaar naar de groep in zn algemeen iets wat niet met weer geld in het laatje brengen tedoen moest hebben..
Dat was mn punt en nix anders..
Nou vertaal je gek zou ik zeggen en geef nu maar eens antwoord in een taal die je niet 100% eigen bent net zoals wij dat moeten doen.

Chris

All right, that's fair.

Wow, u werkelijk schijnt verstoord, Chris. Eerst en vooral, maakte ik geen pret van uw producten, nam ik hen in een analogie op. Noch maakte I pret van uw gebruik van het Engels... Ik spreek niet één workd van het Nederlands, zodat hebt u het voordeel daar op me.

Ik ken goed hoogtepunt wat uw punt is, moet u niet het aan me verklaren. Ik heb niet tegen uw positie (ik ga niet met het akkoord, maar ik heb niet tegen het bezwaar) bezwaar. Ik heb tegen de manier bezwaar waarop u het uitdrukte.

Renderosity bood u (en wij allemaal) een plaats aan om met ons vrij materiaal te pronken, en een onderzoeksmotor voor het. Vermoedelijk hebben wij onze eigen redenen om deze producten aan te bieden. Waarom denkt u dat Renderosity u iets als resultaat van dat verschuldigd is? Ik begrijp dat niet.

Well, its done and over with anyways. A new year will begin soon, lets all  just hope and pray that it will be a better one for us all, than this past one.

Quote - Well, its done and over with anyways. A new year will begin soon, lets all  just hope and pray that it will be a better one for us all, than this past one.

Amen to that.

You actualy did try something.. but writing and then translating is something different then what we ahve to do..
The first line:
Wow, u werkelijk schijnt verstoord, Chris
When i read this its so damn easy to think you are calling me a mind sick person...
I know thats not the case "is it :} " but do you now see how easy it is to mis write something in a other language then your own.. 

Wow, u werkelijk schijnt verstoord, Chris
I can read this like : WOW you realy sound/look mental, Chris

And the rest ..well the dutch translator in my head does it 10 times better ..this translated repley i can read and re read and do that in a 1000 different ways ....
The translation makes head nor tails from your text .. 

i think i knew all the fancy English words you whould get my point.. but you "CaptJack" dont,
and that made me think .. when "you" a person i mean wen i say people who help out does not get it,  why continue..

if they dont get the point ..whats the point of making a point about a point they dont get ...

I'll will no longer say anything about the site and the way its doing its thing...
Not that i dont dare to do it but whats the point to it.

I did try to say one thing and all i got is a discusion about something it was not about...

Chris

In deference to your superior language skills (as stated, I speak not one word of Dutch), The previous message went like this, before I tried to translate it:

Quote - Wow, you really seem upset, Chris. First of all, I wasn't making fun of your products, I was inserting them into an analogy. Nor was I making fun of your use of English... I speak not one workd of Dutch, so you have the advantage on me there.I know full well what your point is, you don't have to explain it to me. I'm not objecting to your position (I don't agree with it, but I'm not objecting to it). I'm objecting to the manner in which you expressed it.

Renderosity offered you (and all of us) a place to show off our free stuff, and a search engine for it. Presumably we have our own reasons for offering these products. Why do you think that Renderosity owes you something as a result of that? I don't understand that.

And, by the way, thank you for your compliment on my use of English; it's something I pride myself on.

Alrighty then, lets not move into personal attacks, I don't want to have to lock this down and issue warnings gang

I don't want to have to lock this down and issue warnings gang 

"man o man"

Bar-Code, your English is just fine!   Actually until you mentioned it above I didn't know it wasn't your first language.

CaptainJack, your "Babel Fish" ability is second to none!

Bar-Code, you made your original point exceptionally well. You and so many others draw people to this site through your generosity of freebies and / or helpful nature, and you feel under appreciated by Renderosity (the company) who asked people to "give something  back to the merchants", while not acknowledging anyone else for their generosity and / or helpfulness at Christmas or over the year period.

I sense that it's not really about that Renderosity (the company) didn't give out a special freebie for everyone, it's more that Renderosity (the company) encouraged site members by stating "Give something back to the merchants" (like the merchants are the only ones that matter and make the site run) and didn't specifically come out and do or say something special to express gratitude to everyone else who help make this community what it is.

Bar-Code, you have a right to feel the way you do and CaptainJack has the right to feel what he does about what you said. That doesn't mean that either of you is more right than the other. All it means is that you each feel something different, and that's okay! 

Group hug?

Quote - Group hug?

S'okay by me. And I apologize for ruffling any feathers. I did want to express my opinion, but perhaps I was harsher than I intended.

I REALLY don't want to create another wave of "yeah-but" posts, but I'd like to put into perspective my PERSONAL opinion of the "give something back to the merchants" debacle.

If I buy a CD of Deep Purple's greatest Hits at Amazon...then buy "Machine Head" and maybe "Deep Purple in Rock" I would NOT expect to find a "Let's give Deep Purple a donation" button on the site next time I visited.

If I buy "The Stand" and "Carrie" novels by Stephen King I don't expect a "Give something back to Steve" page on the site.

If I buy a Volkswagen Polo I don't expect the dealer to ask me if I'd like to make a donation to Volkwagen to help them develop their next model.

Poser/3D merchants are either that, merchants...or they ain't.

I've banged on for Gawd knows how many years  about lemonade stands versus real stores and i.m.h.o. if you need donations you're a lemonade stand, not a store.  Why the Hell should the 3D market place be so detached from the real world of commerce?

I have now donned my flame-retardant underwear.  Go for it. ~lol~

In the early 90's there was a show (for those who never saw it) called "In Living Color" - and David Allen Grier had a character named Loomis Simms that did infomercials selling his wares (usually bogus, or just plain stupid - this was the point: that people would buy it anyway). He had a tagline, "Don't let MY opportunity pass YOU by," with a huge smile - it was very funny.

While that may have been how "give back to the merchants" was interpreted, there was no need to take it personally. Feel free to be annoyed, but why take it personally?

It's completely your choice to click or don't click - so don't click.

Quote - If I buy a Volkswagen Polo I don't expect the dealer to ask me if I'd like to make a donation to Volkwagen to help them develop their next model.

What the dealer should be asking you is if you want your money back.

On Stephen King, have you read "Lisey's Story" yet?  I got it for Christmas, I'll start reading it this weekend :)

"The Dark Tower" is without doubt Stephen Kings finest work!  [IMHO]

I got "Lisey's Story" for Christmas too :¬)

...and I have to agree with the "Dark Tower" comment.

I've finished Lisey's Story and thoroughly enjoyed it. Agree on the Dark Tower series. But my personal favorite is and always will be The Talisman. It was just such a great adventure.