Hi Everyone!

I just got off the phone with Daz and E-Frontier.   Both companies have given me their permission to release a remapped version of Jessi  that would be  compatible  with  Victoria  3's  textures.

Now for the big question,  what format would everyone like.  The choices are PCF,  RTE,  or UVs.

Cheers!
patorak

UV i guess :) dont know what the other two are :)

John

WOW

I need her :)

Way cool!   Personally,  I'd prefer either PCF or  RTE. 

Fugazi- these are both encoded file types which require this free software to decode:

RTE- RTEncoder
http://www.rtencoder.com/downloads

PCF-Objaction Mover
http://www.sandylodge.demon.co.uk/

Cheers,
Alisa

Im happy :) as long as i can figure it all out :)

RTE first choice.  PCF second choice.  UV third choice.
But not a strong preference for any, they all seem to
work okay for me.

UV I think is the best, that way we definitely have a choice as to whether we want this new Jesse to replace the old, or to compliment her.
David P. Hoadley

I remember when Eszter was released for V3.  There was a drop down menu to use Eszter's UV's or V3's UV's and that worked out pretty well.  Didn't auto load on the Eszter face but it looked right when it was all hand loaded.  So UV is my vote and if you can work out an option like that I think it would be even better for alot of folks! 

Sounds cool in any case

RTE = I  think is the most popular and it works Mac and PC.

A UVS import to UV Mapper would also be cool (works on Mac and PC) but may be alittle more work for those unfamiliar with UV Mapper.

bB

Hi Everyone!

If you would like to be a beta-tester contact me at:    patorak@renderosity.com  or    chieftanoclan7@sbcglobal.net   

Cheers!
patorak

UV is nice because it uses less bandwidth and with encoding I have had trouble many times with the seed not working because my .obj was an earlier release than that of the person who did the encoding. I would love to test so I will IM you :)

P.S. anyone have advice on the best body morphs for Jessi realism? I have Glamourous Jessie and oscillator's generous softjessi. I am wanting a smoother abdo/chest and "more realistic" collars. Right now I have in my RMP cart a character named Michelle... it seems to have the best body I could find. The nicest head is Lolly Dolly but I can't aford the price just for a head .

patorak, ever think of trying Miki remapped to V3 UVs? I have not done any remapping since P2 Nude and P4 Nude Lo to Posette :)

Hi momodot!

Long time no see!  Thank you for volunteering. 

When i comes to Jessi morphs, I would like the same plus a belly out morph and something done with the feet.

As for Miki,  I'm afraid that I don't have her,  but by beta- testing you will be able to see the steps I'm going through with Jessi.

Cheers!
patorak

Hi  everyone!

I have a correction to make.  If you would like to be a beta-tester please contact me at    chieftanoclan7@sbcglobal.net     

Cheers!
patorak

This is great news!! I would love to put V3 textures on Jessie!

As RTE is the only one I have, it's got my vote:)

Thanks Patorak!!  My preferences are RTE first, then PCF.  Can you post a picture of Jessi wearing V3's skin, please?

Since we seem to be divided on this issue, would it be possible to compromise and have two methods available: a UV and an RTE encoded file?  That would seem to cover all bases, and make everybody happy.  While I know how to do it, I personally do not like the hassle that RTE involves, and find using UV Mapper a much easier app.; but I, and those like me, seem to be in a minority here.  However, if both methods were made available, then none of us need feel put upon by the others.  Many freebies come with multiple decoding options, for example Floydd's Posette324 is offered as both a PCF and a UV file.
David P. Hoadley

Hi Everyone!

While you're casting your votes the call is still open for beta-testers.  If you are interested contact me at    chieftanoclan7@sbcglobal.net

Cheers! and Thanks!
patorak

Quote - UV I think is the best, that way we definitely have a choice as to whether we want this new Jesse to replace the old, or to compliment her.
David P. Hoadley

You can do that with RTE/PCF, too, though, cause it makes a new obj file....

So do Jessi's Ultimate Morphs from RDNA work with this remapped figure? Now THAT would be really nice!

Terxture mapping had nothing to do with morphs.  Mapping is simply the way that the obj. finds its textures, and then applies them to the right body part.  It has nothing to do with the object's mesh.  Therefore, whether it's remappe dto accept  V2's or V3's, or even Posette's textures will in no way affect the morphs.
David P. Hoadley

If all else fails, you can transfer the morphs to the remapped figure using Morph Manager - I did this with some of April's remapped figures.

As for format, I don't see how things can be much simpler than PCF.

And patorak - congratulations! I'm really happy about this.

Hi Everyone!

First,  I want to thank all of you for your input and taking the time to vote.   As the vote stands now,  we have  6  for RTE,  PCF  4  votes,  and  UVs  4  votes.  

Now,  since  I'm  from  Chicago,  I guess I'll have to find a way to rig this vote.  I knew I should've voted early...  ...and often too!

Seriously though folks,  I hate to say this, but It's going to take a month, and that's for sure.  There are three issues.  The first,  Jessi needs to be regrouped.  The second is,  Jessi has 1881 vertices that are unwelded.  The third,  Jessi has 4 polys floating in her head and those wreak havoc on pelting programs.  If I weld the vertices,  and delete the 4 polys then it creates a new mesh.  I don't think I want that and the work it would entail.  So,  please be patient.

If anyone is interested I have a previous version of Jessi that I remapped for a friend ( this one is finished),  kind of in the style of V2 or Posette.  Make no mistake it is not compatible, just the same style i.e. separate front and back instead of a pelt like V3.   So,  if you are a texture artist and would like to test it contact me at    chieftanoclan7@sbcglobal.net    The copy is yours consider it a freebie.

Also,  the tools I'll be using are Lightwave,  PLG's uvplugins for Lightwave,  And UVMapper Pro.
The technique will be Endomorph UVmapping.

The call is still open for Beta-Testers,  hopefully some more Mac users will step forward.
contact me at    chieftanoclan7@sbcglobal.net

Thanks again everyone!
patorak

Thanks! Good luck and have fun... I hope :-) 

i very much vote uv.  that way, if the g2 jessi isn't a new mesh, we could still use the v3 remapping on her.  also, i've had most instances of encoding fail because i didn't have the precise version of the file the decoder wanted.

edited to add- this would be great!  i rarely use glamorous jessi because i don't have any skins to put on her.

Yeah, I'd like to see Glamorous Jessi able to take V3 maps too,  I just emailed patorak about it.

I looked into doing this myself, but it wouldn't be a trivial task!

I would prefer an UVS file. It really works smooth with Arduino's remapped Vickies and should be as easy with Jessi.

Gee! So My question about whether or not the morphs will transfer wasn't so dumb after all. I definately vote for whatever method you can use that will allow the figure to retain it's ability to use original figure morphs.

Hi Mizrael!

No,  your question about the morphs was not a dumb one.  Matter of fact that was our first  and most important beta test.  So far no one has had trouble with the morphs.  I am still waiting for a few more results though before I move on to beta2.  Beta2 will be the mapping of the Eyes,  Lacrimals,  Innermouth,  Tongue,  Fingernails,  and Toenails.  Beta2 test will be Saturday evening.

Cheers!
patorak

Is this going to be for the G2 Jessi when she comes out ?

Hi mathman!

It depends on the geometry they use for G2.

Cheers!
patorak

Yea, not even a peep about the G2 females.  You would think by now but nope! 

One more vote for a Glamorous Jessi to V3 re-map!! 

whichever is easiest for me to figure out how to use.  :)

The people from CP are definitely trying, but sometimes their decisions seem not too smart.

In P5 hirez and lorez refererred to the textures on the P5 models (is that right?)

In P6 we have a highrez and lowrez mesh on Jessie.
Unfortunately the model had shortcomings that Jim Burton addressed in his Glam Jessie, also in high and low rez versions.

Now we have:

1. P6 Jessie highrez
2. P6 Jessie lowrez
3. Glam Jessie highrez
4. Glam Jessie lowrez (one of those is called Glennis to add to the confusion)

head morph targets are compatible between 1,3 and 2,4
Clothes are compatible between 1,2 and 3,4
body morph targets are not compatible between any of them.
textures are compatible across 1,2,3,4 but 3 and 4 have extra material zones

Did I get this right?

Let's pick a model to remap carefully.

Hi Everyone!

Beta 1 was a success.  After welding, healing, then remapping in Planar on the Z axis,  the morphs work just fine.  The Beta1 test was to make sure that the integrity of the original geometry was still in tact, before moving on to the actual "pelting".   See,  the technique I'm using is endomorph UV mapping,  with that there are times one is actually adjusting the mesh itself.  And,  I do not plan on going through all of this work and then find out it is incompatible with the original geometry.

Anyhow,  Beta2 has been sent to the people that have tested beta 1.   In Beta2,  I've regrouped and remapped the eyes ( eyewhite,  iris,  pupil, cornea ),  lacrimals,  innermouth,  tongue,  fingernails,  and toenails.  Although,  they may need some tweaking,  right now I just want to get the maps in the ballpark.

As for Glamorous Jessi and Glamorous Glennis,  I'm still waiting on my Beta tester to send me the results of their beta1 test,  before I move on to their beta2.

What is the vote count so far?

Cheers!
patorak

Thanks for your efforts and hard work, patorak :)

yes!  thank you very much!  this is quite welcome.

You're quite welcome.  Well,  here is where we stand so far,  beta1 and beta2 were a success.  Right now,  I'm selecting benchmarks around the head from which I will declinate the map to.  Here is the progress so far.  The texture that I'm using is Nathalie for V3 by pidgifr.  Beta 3 will be tested later this week.  Please be patient and thank you all for your support.

Cheers!
patorak

Any more work on this? How is it going?
Love Jenny

Hello jecnodde,

Absolutely!  The only thing is, I ran into the worst case scenario.  Jessi is not symmetrical about the Y axis.  Because of this my UVmapping functon skews the map.   Therefore I've been moving 34461 vertices by hand,  which really  tends to bog down,  considering I can't work in symmetrical mode either because of this.  I got  to tell you though that I've been seriously thinking about rebuilding her mesh,  release the RTE in the freebies,  and let  everyone transfer the morphs using Ocham and cages python scripts.  If I do,  is there anything you'd like to see changed on her?

Cheers,
Patorak

hmmm.  but would the new figure have face room support?  one of the reasons i like eF figures is that i find the face room rather useful for just creating head morphs. 

if you're basically just going to make a new figure out of her.... i'd say just run with it.  i mean, i have no preference about the direction to take her face or body.  i'd rather have a rounder figure based on jessi than a thin one (i have glamorous jessi), but really i'd say just go with your inspiration.  i will say this: i don't think i have that many clothes for jessi.  if you wanted to redo her grouping and joints along with changing her mesh, i don't think it would be a big difference.

that said, i'd be a lot more interested in a remapped jessi than a new figure with v3 mapping that at best can wear jessi's clothes.    but it sounds like that's too difficult.  ah well.

Hello cobaltdream,

I completely forgot about the face room.  Oh well,  back to the 34461 vertices.

Cheers,
Patorak

oh, now i feel bad.  seriously, if you want to make a new figure that takes unimesh mapping out of jessi, that would still be very cool.  i was looking at your new figure in progress the other day, and i think she looks great.  her butt looked a bit odd at the join with the back last i looked (too pronounced), but her shape was great in general.  my only vote with her is that she a) take unimesh mapping  and b) be nude shaped in default, not bra bound.   if your figure got twice as much support as jessi, she'd still be much more useful and versatile as a nude and unimesh mapped figure than a new figure who looks more accurate clothed than naked. 

Ah don't feel bad that's just life in the Poserverse.  BTW thanks for your sugestions on the Jane figure.  The main thing we're trying for is a natural woman.  Since you've mentoned UV mapping,  one of the ideas that has been brought up is multiple uv maps for specific needs,  instead of just one default map. 

Anyway,  thanks again,  and please keep in touch.

Cheers,
Patorak

Hello everyone,

Jessi remapped failed the face room test.  She has also failed the full body morphs test.  This is not good.  I'm STRONGLY considering rebuilding her.

Cheers,
Patorak 

Thanks for all the work you're doing on this!!!

Hello aproctor,

Thanks,  I appreciate the support.

Cheers,
Patorak

that sounds weird.  just replacing the obj calls in the cr2 broke face room support and full body morphs?  i don't think i've ever had that happen before.  well, yeah, if that's true, you might as well just rebuild her. 

Yeah,  I couldn't believe it.  The only thing I can think of is that something got corrupted.  I just don't know if it's in the OBJ or the CR2. 

When I brought her into lightwave,  she had 1881 unwelded vertices,  maybe when I welded the UVmap,  it welded those vertices. 

When I changed the call,  all I did was replace Jessi.obj with the new Jessi_V3.obj and saved as a new CR2.  Then,  BAM,  no face room,  no full body morphs.  If you would like to check it out just e-mail me and I'll send you the RTE.

Cheers,
Patorak

no, i more than believe you.  it's more just amazing.   maybe you're right about the welding.  that would break morphs.

a new figure is getting more appealing by the minute.  maybe you could get someone to do some morphs for her?  just to share the workload, and make her more interesting...

Hello cobaltdream,

You know it's things like this that has me looking to Daz Studio.  Especially since its now supporting the FBX format.  ( Rant over,  feeling much better now,  honest. )  You're right a new figure is in order.  Would you like to team up?

Cheers,
Patorak